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Biologically, when does human life begin?

Biologically, when does human life begin?

  • Conception

  • Heartbeat/Brain activity detected

  • Viability

  • Birth

  • Some other time - explain

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Josie said:
Yes, yes - I know it's been asked a million times. But the question came up again in another thread so I thought we'd have a refresher poll.

Biologically, when does human life begin?

Conception
Heartbeat/brain activity detected
Viability
Birth
Someone in between - explain
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Conception!
You put Male Sperm in a Females egg in a woman's uterus and a Human starts growing ! That's the only way!
The DNA at conception IS HUMAN ! It's not a Reptile or Bird ....

If you plant an Apple Tree with an Apple seed it's only going to be a Apple Tree and just because it's not producing Apples when you plant it, that does not mean IT'S NOT AN APPLE TREE.

Human Eggs and Sperm are alive, and when they unit they start a human life.
It might not be viable on it's own, cognizant, or self aware, but it's human.

Here's the flip side to this question!

If a Woman plans to get pregnant then got pregnant and 2 weeks later someone punched her in the stomach, with the intent to end that pregnancy, did they commit murder or just expelled some cells ?
 
NoMoreDems-Reps said:
Here's the flip side to this question!

If a Woman plans to get pregnant then got pregnant and 2 weeks later someone punched her in the stomach, with the intent to end that pregnancy, did they commit murder or just expelled some cells ?
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Expelled some cells, along with assault & battery.
 
BabaVoss said:
Explain please.
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Many people say that human life doesn't start until sometime after conception. You can clearly see that just by reading the thread too.
 
BabaVoss said:
She is quite capable of speaking for herself.
But, you have a bad habit of not quoting people precisely.
I doubt that is what she actually said. Please quote what you are referring to.
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She says it very clearly in her very first post in this thread.
 
BabaVoss said:
She is quite capable of speaking for herself.
But, you have a bad habit of not quoting people precisely.
I doubt that is what she actually said. Please quote what you are referring to.
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Her very first post on this thread and the very first line of it.
BirdinHand said:
A new human life begins at birth.
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I would say that I am more than precise on that, I'm exact.
 
maquiscat said:
Her very first post on this thread and the very first line of it.
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You mean post #102 where she says "A new human life begins at birth."

But that is not what you said. What you said was "BirdInHand is by saying that life doesn't start until birth." That is NOT what she said at all.
You paraphrased something you saw into something you wanted it to say. But it doesn't.
These are not the same. You have a habit of paraphrasing when you should really use exact quotes.

The difference here is important as I described in post #393:

The implied "a" in the thread title is quite important.
The question being asked is really when does "a" human life begin.
If you leave off the "a" you are talking about 'human life'. Not capitalized, by the way.
The egg and sperm are 'human life'. Like a drop of your blood is 'human life'. They are alive and are made of human cells.
For a human life to begin, you need sperm and egg. That is required for a new potential human being to begin.
After fertilization, you have the next step in the new potential human being; a fertilized egg.
A lot has to happen right for that to grow and develop and be born as a new human life.
A good percentage of fertilized eggs are lost. Either they fail to implant or are rejected at some point.
This is basic biology.
maquiscat said:
I would say that I am more than precise on that, I'm exact.
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I know you'd like to think that, but you'd be wrong. No, you were not exact at all.

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Josie said:
Many people say that human life doesn't start until sometime after conception. You can clearly see that just by reading the thread too.
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Sperm and egg are alive before fertilization.
 
BabaVoss said:
Sperm and egg are alive before fertilization.
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No kidding. They are (adj) human. When the egg is fertilized a (noun) human is created.

Again, many people say human life doesn’t start until birth or viability which is contrary to science, right?
 
Josie said:
She said a new human life doesn’t start until birth. That’s untrue.
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It is true. A new human being, at birth, is zero days old.
 
Josie said:
Yes, yes - I know it's been asked a million times. But the question came up again in another thread so I thought we'd have a refresher poll.

Biologically, when does human life begin?

Conception
Heartbeat/brain activity detected
Viability
Birth
Someone in between - explain
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When does personhood begin is a more relevant question. Human cells are alive in every inch of our bodies.

Since your question is aimed at the birthing process, here's a counter question: At which point in the development stage should a women be held hostage by the state? When do they lose their rights?

If you can't answer that or are not interested in answering that, what is the point of your question?
 
Dans La Lune said:
When does personhood begin is a more relevant question. Human cells are alive in every inch of our bodies.
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Personhood is a legal term. We’re talking about biology. Humans cells are alive in our bodies. They have our DNA. They are part of our bodies.
Dans La Lune said:
Since your question is aimed at the birthing process,
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It’s not. The question is when a new human’s life begins.

Dans La Lune said:
here's a counter question: At which point in the development stage should a women be held hostage by the state? When do they lose their rights?

If you can't answer that or are not interested in answering that, what is the point of your question?
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I’ve answered political abortion questions on this forum for over 10 years now. This thread is about the biology of human life.

What is your answer to the poll question?
 
Josie said:
A fertilization, yes. Again, many people here disagree.
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A potential unique human being begins when the egg is fertilized, yes. It’s not a human being at this point, but that is the beginning of a potential new human.
 
Josie said:
No kidding. They are (adj) human. When the egg is fertilized a (noun) human is created.
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A new, potential human.

Josie said:
Again, many people say human life doesn’t start until birth or viability which is contrary to science, right?
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Sigh.
When you say "human life", I could tell you that "human life" began 300,000 years ago.
Or, I could say that the sperm and egg are "human life" - before fertilization.
Both statements would be correct.
When you say "a new human life" (note the "a") I would add "potential" as a descriptor, as many fertilized eggs fail to implant or thrive once implanted.
A fertilized egg that successfully implants and begins to grow and develop is indeed a new, potential human being
Once born they are indeed human beings.

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It started before that, with an egg and sperm.
Josie said:
A fertilization, yes. Again, many people here disagree.
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To clarify, you have to have egg and sperm first, so the beginning is with an egg and sperm. The fertilized egg did not simply poof into existence.
 
BabaVoss said:
A new, potential human.


Sigh.
When you say "human life", I could tell you that "human life" began 300,000 years ago.
Or, I could say that the sperm and egg are "human life" - before fertilization.
Both statements would be correct.
When you say "a new human life" (note the "a") I would add "potential" as a descriptor, as many fertilized eggs fail to implant or thrive once implanted.
A fertilized egg that successfully implants and begins to grow and develop is indeed a new, potential human being
Once born they are indeed human beings.

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Incorrect. At fertilization a new human is created. Just because he/she might not survive doesn’t change that. Lots of born people don’t survive past certain points either.
 
BabaVoss said:
It started before that, with an egg and sperm.

To clarify, you have to have egg and sperm first, so the beginning is with an egg and sperm. The fertilized egg did not simply poof into existence.
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A new human life is created once the sperm fertilizes the egg. A new human life isn’t created every time a woman has unprotected sex with a man.
 
Josie said:
So when does human life begin?
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When a fetus is fully developed and can live on it's own. Anything less is not a human being. It can't begin at conception because 2/3rds of fertilized eggs are never born.
 
iguanaman said:
When a fetus is fully developed and can live on it's own. Anything less is not a human being. It can't begin at conception because 2/3rds of fertilized eggs are never born.
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I didn’t say “being”. I said “human life”.
 
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