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Bill would prevent ICE from detaining or deporting U.S. citizens

Absentglare said:
My argument is not that the evidence is unquestionable, it is that the evidence exists.
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The request was for citations to support the statement 'the leader of the GOP is a child molester'. Neither you nor the person who posted the accusation has provided that.

The Katie Johnson stuff - which as far as I can tell is the only accusation in that category - was never supported as a legitimate claim.
 
dcsports said:
The request was for citations to support the statement 'the leader of the GOP is a child molester'. Neither you nor the person who posted the accusation has provided that.

The Katie Johnson stuff - which as far as I can tell is the only accusation in that category - was never supported as a legitimate claim.
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I already cited a trove of evidence to support the claim. You can choose to disbelieve it. I’m not responsible for what you choose to disbelieve.
 
Absentglare said:
I already cited a trove of evidence to support the claim. You can choose to disbelieve it. I’m not responsible for what you choose to disbelieve.
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You didn't do any. Again, the allegations of issues with women is VERY different than accusing him of child molestation.
 
Absentglare said:
What do you think, here? That a little girl could not have been raped because, if she had, she would have been able to hand you ironclad evidence like a video recording or something?

And it’s not an isolated accusation. Trump was a close associate of both Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

Some of the most damning evidence against Trump are his own statements regarding how he treats women; like barging into underage girls changing rooms at his beauty contests, grabbing women by the *****, knowing that Epstein liked young girls.



There’s no question that he’s a ****ing creep. Meanwhile, in MAGA land:

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This woman is a pile of shit who needs to be turned over to CPS.

She is unfit to have custody of her children.
 
dcsports said:
Again, even according to 'fact checkers' that are hardly favorable to trump, the accusations are questionable. Highlighting that they came from a Jerry Springer show producer, acting under an alias.



The request was for a poster to provide some support for the accusation. which neither you nor the poster have done. No need to keep flailing.
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I did actually.

The video in post #198 confirms it all.
 
ColdHardTruth said:
I did actually.

The video in post #198 confirms it all.
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That was posted by Absentglare. The post I just responded to was also from him. Are you posting under different logins?

Noting again, the Katie Johnson stuff was questionable at best, according to fact checkers. Originally brought up by a Jerry Springer show associate, under an alias, then vanishing.
 
dcsports said:
That was posted by Absentglare. The post I just responded to was also from him. Are you posting under different logins?

Noting again, the Katie Johnson stuff was questionable at best, according to fact checkers. Originally brought up by a Jerry Springer show associate, under an alias, then vanishing.
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Wrong.

Katie Johnson knew the layout of Epstein's house and knew the names of the other girls involved.

That is evidence she was there.

Stop defending dumpletits.
 
dcsports said:
So, are you posting under both usernames?

It's pretty clear neither username is going to support the accusation.
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I am not.

The information "I" posted was accurate.

Katie Johnson did know the names of the other girls involved and she did know the layout of Epstein's house.

She said as much.

This is not deflection. It's the truth.

Stop defending the orange hebephile.
 
BitterPill said:
The nerve:

[DEI] U.S. Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) introduced legislation Wednesday to formally block Immigration and Customs Enforcement from detaining or deporting U.S. citizens.​

Can't wait for the House GOP to slap this garbage down!

And even a fellow lib-prog congresscritter, appropriately named Ted Lieu (totally DEI), put the kibosh on Jayapal's bats**t amendment:

"The fact that Democrats ... feel the need to even introduce an amendment that says ICE cannot deport U.S. citizens is bats**t crazy," Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.) said on the House floor.​


MAGA.
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This bill is redundant, since detaining or deporting U.S. citizens is already illegal.
 
MauiMan said:
This bill is redundant, since detaining or deporting U.S. citizens is already illegal.
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The problem is that ICE is not following the current law. A new one has to be made that makes it painful for the ICE terrorists to detail American citizens.
 
ColdHardTruth said:
The problem is that ICE is not following the current law. A new one has to be made that makes it painful for the ICE terrorists to detail American citizens.
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Detaining or deporting U.S. citizens by ICE is already illegal under existing U.S. law because citizens are not subject to immigration enforcement actions, which are designed for non-citizens. The Immigration and Nationality Act governs ICE’s authority, and it applies to the removal or detention of individuals who are not U.S. citizens, such as undocumented immigrants or those with revocable visas. U.S. citizens, protected by the Constitution, have a right to remain in the country and are immune from deportation proceedings. The Fourth Amendment also prohibits unreasonable seizures, meaning ICE cannot lawfully detain a citizen without evidence of a crime, as immigration status is irrelevant for citizens.

Who is going to enforce a new law when the existing law is not enforced? The problem is not the law. The law is already clear. The problem is an Executive Branch that is unlawful.
 
MauiMan said:
Detaining or deporting U.S. citizens by ICE is already illegal under existing U.S. law because citizens are not subject to immigration enforcement actions, which are designed for non-citizens. The Immigration and Nationality Act governs ICE’s authority, and it applies to the removal or detention of individuals who are not U.S. citizens, such as undocumented immigrants or those with revocable visas. U.S. citizens, protected by the Constitution, have a right to remain in the country and are immune from deportation proceedings. The Fourth Amendment also prohibits unreasonable seizures, meaning ICE cannot lawfully detain a citizen without evidence of a crime, as immigration status is irrelevant for citizens.

Who is going to enforce a new law when the existing law is not enforced? The problem is not the law. The law is already clear. The problem is an Executive Branch that is unlawful.
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Yeah, that is true.

For this reason, once the next administration starts, those ICE officers who violated the law need to be terminated and they need to be charged with unlawful arrest and illegal imprisonment.
 
ColdHardTruth said:
Yeah, that is true.

For this reason, once the next administration starts, those ICE officers who violated the law need to be terminated and they need to be charged with unlawful arrest and illegal imprisonment.
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ICE officers violating the law do indeed live under that threat. However, Trump can pardon them all before leaving office. This seems likely, considering the blanket pardons given to the Jan 6th cases and other “loyalty” pardons Trump has given. I think current administration employees are counting on those pardons, considering the widespread unlawfulness they are engaged in. If I were them, I wouldn’t count on it, because I see an enormous backlash coming.
 
MauiMan said:
ICE officers violating the law do indeed live under that threat. However, Trump can pardon them all before leaving office. This seems likely, considering the blanket pardons given to the Jan 6th cases and other “loyalty” pardons Trump has given. I think current administration employees are counting on those pardons, considering the widespread unlawfulness they are engaged in. If I were them, I wouldn’t count on it, because I see an enormous backlash coming.
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Perhaps, but they can all still be fired and banned from working in law enforcement. They can also live with the world knowing who they are.
 
ColdHardTruth said:
Perhaps, but they can all still be fired and banned from working in law enforcement. They can also live with the world knowing who they are.
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That would be a good thing. If an ICE officer is ordered to detain someone without a warrant or probable cause, obeying could lead to a lawsuit for violating the Fourth Amendment. Refusing might protect the officer legally but could strain their relationship with superiors.

They are in a tough spot. I would resign my position before obeying such orders.
 
MauiMan said:
That would be a good thing. If an ICE officer is ordered to detain someone without a warrant or probable cause, obeying could lead to a lawsuit for violating the Fourth Amendment. Refusing might protect the officer legally but could strain their relationship with superiors.

They are in a tough spot. I would resign my position before obeying such orders.
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Agreed.

I would do the same.
 
The Brad Dad said:
He loved it so much he sent a birthday card to his fav sex trafficker.
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You said Trump was a child rapist. Why did you say something you know wasn’t true? You have hilarious habit of lying.
 
rahl said:
You said Trump was a child rapist. Why did you say something you know wasn’t true? You have hilarious habit of lying.
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Trump is a child rapist and there is evidence to support it.

Defending him is a bad idea.
 
Citizen said:
Why do we need a bill to stop ICE from doing something they legally shouldn’t be doing in the first place
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And since ICE doesn't see the need to follow laws, why would another law help?
 
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