vauge said:Tony Snow used to be a teacher as well.
Bill O'Reilly is just a little White House bitch! Just like that punk-ass Hannity! I just heard O'Reilly today condoning torture. Saying he "...doesn't care about the terrorists at GITMO..." and that "...if he had his way he would have executed them a long time ago." Only problem is, since none of them have been brought to trial, or had due process of law, which is something this country is supposed to be all about, we don't know if they are terrorists at all. And we won't, unless they go thru the judicial process.Originally posted by timbo:
admire Bill O reilly hes intelligent, well spoken
and a clear thinker.
One of his main themes is that the liberal media
ie terrestrial TV the new york times etc
are in full control of everything
he is a conservative voice coming at things from a different
angle he is like a voice in the wilderness.
I had Fox News here in UK on satellite for a while
I often used it just as audio while I surfed the net.
At least Fox news has an identity
Billo_Really said:Bill O'Reilly is just a little White House bitch! Just like that punk-ass Hannity! I just heard O'Reilly today condoning torture. Saying he "...doesn't care about the terrorists at GITMO..." and that "...if he had his way he would have executed them a long time ago." Only problem is, since none of them have been brought to trial, or had due process of law, which is something this country is supposed to be all about, we don't know if they are terrorists at all. And we won't, unless they go thru the judicial process.
I hate it when he says "...most Americans would agree with me..." Now how the f___ does he know! Has he talked to over a 100,000,000 people? He's propaganda. He's just like the guys in Weimar, Germany. If I had my way, I'd give him 10 consecutive life terms.
Would you say this to an eye-witness at a murder trial. That they didn't see what they saw until the trial was over! That makes no sense.Originally posted by cnredd:
Without going through the same judicial process you want to give to the terrorists?
You heard it here folks....
Give the terrorists judicial process before conviction & sentencing...
Give Bill O'Reilly a conviction & sentencing without a judicial process....
I don't think this is, what you say, "this country is supposed to be all about".
Deegan said:Bill is great, while I don't always agree with him, and he can be very controlling while on air, he still makes more sense then most. People will always hate him for his smug attitude, but the guy has the right to be smug, he has accomplished some great things for Fox, and for himself of course. This is another reason people want to critize him so much, because he is so successful, and that just steams those who so often disagree with him.
Heck, some folks even feel the need to deface his picture in avatars and signatures.:rofl
Deegan said:Bill is great, while I don't always agree with him, and he can be very controlling while on air, he still makes more sense then most. People will always hate him for his smug attitude, but the guy has the right to be smug, he has accomplished some great things for Fox, and for himself of course. This is another reason people want to critize him so much, because he is so successful, and that just steams those who so often disagree with him.
Heck, some folks even feel the need to deface his picture in avatars and signatures.:rofl
Middleground said:Speaking for myself, his success has nothing to do with the fact that I think he's useless. What has he done other then voice is own opinion? If your cup of tea is Springer-style news (and it appears that to some, that's the case), then good for you. Opinion is not important to me... truth and facts are.
I pity the person who solely relies on Fox News. What I've seen on Fox News has mostly a complete different twist then what I've seen or read from other outlets. Frankly, a station that has to constantly remind it's viewers that it's "Fair & Balanced" strikes me as funny. As far as O'Reilly... well... "No Spin Zone" my a$$! Tag lines and fancy graphics are so critical when reporting the news, LOL.
You forgot how arrogant that SOB is! That guy is disgusting. I'd love to run into him in a bar after I've had a couple of beers.Originally posted by galenrox:
Hannity is worse, because not only does he appeal to that side of people, but he holds even more moronic positions on the issues,
galenrox said:they're all ****ing pricks, and Comes is nothing but a house nigger.
Deegan said:Of coursed it's biased, it's his show, his rules, and his opinions!
If you don't like the show, don't watch, but know that this show has enjoyed the highest ratings of any show of it's kind. This tells me that more then a few people enjoy, and or agree with his opinions
and he makes no bones about it, it's strictly his opinions.
He simply states the facts of a current news story, then gives his opinion, coupled with the opinion of a voice from the opposing side. I just don't get what gets so many O'riled(hehehe)up about that.
I mean, it's done all the time in the opposite fashion, for instance, Keith Oberman is very anti-Bush, anti-right, and not a peep about his show. It's because he's defending the underdog, and Bill is backing the current admin. This will all fip-flop one day, or maybe not, not the way the Democrats are going these days.:mrgreen:
Middleground said:Does he, or does he not call it "a fair and balanced spin free zone"? Frankly, I can't stand the hypocracy. If he represented himself as what you described, then I would have less of a problem with him and his show.
I've only watched out of curiosity. Trust me when I say that I will not be one who'll boost his ratings. Frankly, I though Americans were more with it and smarter. Let's just hope that they are only tuning in for entertainment value rather than getting their fix of news.
Really?
Because his guest are there merely as pawns. The "opposite" view is merely a token. As soon as they state something that he's not in accordance, then the $hit hits the fans. That's not allowing the other side to really express themselves.
Good pun.
I don't know anything about Keith Oberman. Is he on CNN or MSNBC?
All I can say, is that if he has the same style as O'Reiley, then I would be equally disgusted with his show.
ILikeDubyah said:I like Bill, though he seems to be pretty full of himself most of the time. I do like him though. I own all of his books & TIVO him every night. We agree on most things, but not all the time. ALSO, when you're the highest rated news show on cable TV, I think at that point, you're only "looking out for" your paycheck...I do like him though, and I find him insightful & entertaining.
Deegan said:Well it is just that, in your face discussion, that people are flocking to see. I think it is fair and balanced, as he always allows the other perspective the last word. True he knocks their views, but then again, that's what sells, and probably what keeps you and I coming here. So I guess we all have to take a look at ourselves, and how we so often do the very things we don't like, and see in others. Bill is an aquired taste though, no doubt about it, but I enjoy it sometimes.
Middleground said:That's what I was afraid of. My friend, you've drank the kool aid. (see bold emphasis)
That's okay, though... you come off as well-spoken and intelligent, so there's still hope for ya.
Middleground said:Well of course you agree, that's what he's tellin' you, damn it!!! :smile:
Deegan said:Explain how it's not fair and balanced?
First, fair.......fair to me is allowing another point of view, giving the opposing side their opportunity to speak their mind.
Now, balanced, the balance comes from allowing the same opposition the stage, the chance to convince the viewers their opinions are worth a listen, and maybe even find they agree.
Just because he has control of the process, and that it is his show, that does not mean it can't be described as "fair and balanced"
This show works in degree's, there are degree's of fairness, and degree's of balance. The balance may often tip in his favor, but it is still there, thus making him correct in his assertion that the show is what he claims it to be.
As to the kool-aid......you have been watching more of Bill then you would like to admit, or have us believe.:mrgreen:
ILikeDubyah said:?????? Don't follow....are you saying I've been brainwashed? If so, why would they brainwash me into agreeing only 75%, or so, of the time?
Middleground said:O'REILLY: Now if the [Canadian] government -- if your government harbors these two deserter [sic], doesn't send them back ... there will be a boycott of your country which will hurt your country enormously. France is now feeling that sting.
MALLICK: I don't think for a moment such a boycott would take place because we are your biggest trading partners.
O'REILLY: No, it will take place, madam. In France ...
MALLICK: I don't think that your French boycott has done too well ...
O'REILLY: ...they've lost billions of dollars in France according to "The Paris Business Review."
MALLICK: I think that's nonsense.
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