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True. Having someone as high-profile as Bill Nye talk to this guy gives the false impression that creationists are somehow an equal in this "debate."
Friendly reminder for tonight's debate.
19h00 to 21h30 EST Feb 4
Live streaming from debatelive,org
my Firefox had trouble connecting but IE managed.
Who is going to win?
The debate begins at 7pm. Why does the website have a countdown right now at two hours and twenty minutes?
7:00 PM Eastern time?
This debate should be as close a competition as the super bowl.Dangerous Minds | Get your popcorn ready: Bill Nye the science guy to debate idiot Creation Museum founder Ken Ham
I hope the mods let it fly that I slightly changed the title so as not to start with an insult.
At any rate, this should be interesting....
I think the idea was to beat Ham so bad it would embarrass the movement.
You should see these Conservapedia types man, they are mentally deranged when it comes to this subject and all this debate will do is reinforce their delusions of intellectual integrity.
They literally believe that science itself is on the side of Young Earth Creationism, their evidence is completely ****ing bogus.
Friendly reminder for tonight's debate.
19h00 to 21h30 EST Feb 4
Live streaming from debatelive,org
my Firefox had trouble connecting but IE managed.
Who is going to win?
But you can't "beat" people who think like this. There is no standard of evidence, no argument you can make, and no discussion to be had that will in any way change their minds. They think they are right, because they think God said so and God can't be wrong. Any "evidence" they think exists for their argument is retroactive, they start with the conclusion and shoehorn evidence to fit the preconception. People subscribing to the idea are already beyond help. You cannot reason someone out of an idea they did not reason themselves in to.
Furthermore, creationists have no argument to present in favor of their idea. Instead, they just attempt to poke holes in evolution and spit out as many logical fallacies as they can. They just throw the entire plate of spaghetti at the wall knowing that it takes more time and effort to debunk bull**** than it does to create bull****. The impression left to the idiots is that there are JUST SO MANY HOLES in evolution, and they don't really keep track of the fact that every one of these so-called holes is readily explainable with science and evidence.
But you can't "beat" people who think like this. There is no standard of evidence, no argument you can make, and no discussion to be had that will in any way change their minds. They think they are right, because they think God said so and God can't be wrong. Any "evidence" they think exists for their argument is retroactive, they start with the conclusion and shoehorn evidence to fit the preconception. People subscribing to the idea are already beyond help. You cannot reason someone out of an idea they did not reason themselves in to.
Furthermore, creationists have no argument to present in favor of their idea. Instead, they just attempt to poke holes in evolution and spit out as many logical fallacies as they can. They just throw the entire plate of spaghetti at the wall knowing that it takes more time and effort to debunk bull**** than it does to create bull****. The impression left to the idiots is that there are JUST SO MANY HOLES in evolution, and they don't really keep track of the fact that every one of these so-called holes is readily explainable with science and evidence.
This was a great summary of not just creationist arguments, but of bs itself. This can also be applied to the conspiracy and environmental forums as well.
This debate should be as close a competition as the super bowl.
The pro-creation side has it's audience. It will score it's points. Public debate never was about objective reason but rallying the base.Only if you consider a competition as one side actually scoring points and playing by the rules, and the other team pretending that those points do not count because Jesus wouldnt allow that type of scoring in the bible.
Ooh. The "atheist lobby."
Ham says we can't have evolution because we weren't around to observe it...LOL
No one was around to observe Jesus and all that smiting BS either.
We have a time machine, it is called DNA, it is the coding that makes every living thing, and we can go back in time with it by comparing the genomes of all animals.
But Ham is just a zealot whackjob nutter.
By that same token we cannot find a murderer guilty because we were not around to observe it.
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