Bill Gates insane speech

[BmanMcfly]

Bill Gates on energy: Innovating to zero! | Video on TED.com

I just got shown this speech of Bill Gates, if it was any other source but straight from his own mouth I'd put this in conspiracy zone... but I'm pretty sure that he's calling for 10-15% human population reduction... or more.

Let's start with a couple highlights
- CO2 -> temperature increase -> negative effects (pretty much a direct quote as to his understanding of the intricacies of the environment)

- There is just 'small uncertainties' in how much the temperature will be on any given day based on the co2 concentration.

- "We have no idea how bad the effects will be but scientists say that it will be very bad." - Orwellian double-speech / crimestop

- Innovating to 0 (co2) : "Untill we get to near 0 CO2 the temperature is going to go UP."

- Average north american produces 20 tonnes of CO2, in poorer countries it's less then 1 tonne (produces through exhalation).

- First graph shows that Co2 did not exist prior to 1855.


HERE is where it starts to get sick :

- CO2 = P * S * E * C : That is CO2 (which MUST be "near 0") = PEOPLE * Services /(per) person * energy / service * Co2 / energy. Look closely at this equation... Gates even says it himself "In order for CO2 to get close to zero something in this equation is going to have to drop close to 0.

He could be talking about zeroing out S, E, or C... but he is NOT... Because as long as people are around they will be paying for services that use energy and produce co2... PEOPLE in his equation is THE ONLY factor that can be reduced close to 0 and be workable in the real world.

- "The world population is around 6.8 billion people going up to 9 billion(????), now if we do a REALLY GREAT JOB with vaccines, health care, and reproductive health services, we could LOWER that by around 10 or 15 percent."

The rest of this speech is talking about energy innovation... but he later says that by 2020 we should have a 20% co2 reduction increasing to 80% by 2050. I guess we better hope that there's some intense 'green energy' implementation, or eventually it'll be the people who are going to have to go.



Anyway... I'd make a longer commentary, but it's getting late over here.

 

[Telecaster]

Wow! And that is one of the smart guys!?!?

 

[rathi]

When Bill is talking about reducing the population by 15%, he means lowering birth rates through family planning. Not killing 15% of the worlds population using some diabolical means.

Because as long as people are around they will be paying for services that use energy and produce co2

No, the point of that speech is that he wants nuclear power plants so we can have energy without CO2.

Is there anything you don't see conspiracies in ?

 

[BmanMcfly]

When Bill is talking about reducing the population by 15%, he means lowering birth rates through family planning. Not killing 15% of the worlds population using some diabolical means.

Abortions become a huge factor in this, and I think a middle-ground interpretation would be reducing the 2.2 billion expect growth by 10-15%.

Let's look at the specific quote he uses :

"The world population is around 6.8 billion people going up to 9 billion, now if we do a really great job with vaccines, health care, and reproductive health services, we could lower that by around 10 or 15 percent."

- we start that the human population is skyrocketing. he doesn't give any time frame, or sources, or whatever beyond the reasonable assumption that human numbers are increasing. He could have said going up to 20 billion, because by not giving a time frame for this increase... 9 billion by next month? Next Year? etc...

- if we do a great job with :

• Vaccines
• Health Care
• reproductive health

, we could LOWER that.

A) Vaccines : I thought vaccines were good for you, how does doing a good job with vaccines lower population???
B) Health Care: If people are getting better treatment they should be living longer, healthier lives. That would mean more children survive and so the population should increase.
c) reproductive health : This clearly means giving people an education on aborting their children, creating one child policies, etc... but the reason people in dire situations will have so many children is because fewer of their children are likely to survive into adulthood, so they are increasing their odds. In western countries, we are barely maintaining the replacement rate for children, because most of our children survive into adulthood, so smaller families end up being the norm.

So the only thing that's unclear is if he's talking about reducing the population by 10-15% or reducing the growth in that number by 10-15%, or both...

THEN, his 'CO2 equation' : CO2 = P * S * E *C. Bill Gates in his own words : "Cearly one of these numbers is going to have to go near 0", also "as long as there is CO2 there's going to be temperature increases." Which I guess in the sense that it gets cold at night and the temperature increases in the day time, and CO2 does play a part in that, miniscule a part as that may be.

THAT is when Bill Gates changes gears and starts discussing some of the innovations in energy, mostly nuclear.

So, Becasause Gates discusses a) how innovations will lower human population numbers or rates (he's actually unclear as to which he meant specifically, in all fairness), b) that CO2 must be 'near 0', and C) that his equation puts people in the equation first, and then P is highlighted as he tells these students "one of these numbers is going to have to go down pretty close to 0". He sets the context early, and the covers his behind by adding a 5 minute speech about nuclear energy. He declares it straight up.

No, the point of that speech is that he wants nuclear power plants so we can have energy without CO2.

Is there anything you don't see conspiracies in ?

Not when I'm right... but pay attention here... I love it when I get challenged on the information.

Bill gates was also involved with :
Billionaire club in bid to curb overpopulation - Times Online

Bill Gates, the philanthripist (sp?)...Bill Gates promises $10 billion for vaccines

Look at the types of vaccines that were made with the help of Bill Gates... by looking at the insert :
http://www.fluscam.com/Vaccine_Pack...BasedOn1980Approvalfor Fluvirin_UCM182242.pdf

It says plainly : Contains mercury, can cause 'Guillaine Barre' syndrome, not safety tested for pregnant mothers and small children. Hey, do you remember who the 'high priority' vaccines were given to???

This isn't the first seeming screwup of the pharmaceutical industry :
Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus | Canada | News | Toronto Sun

No... Bill Gates MEANT what he said, the whole way through... he might have legitimate interest in innovative technologies, but he's also serious about the first 5 minutes.

I'll go on if you insist?

 

[Deuce]

So, the premise of your post is that Bill Gates wants to kill off a chunk of the population?

You clearly do not understand what he is talking about.

edit: Also, you are really bad at math.

 

[ScottD]

I love how you think the only way to solve overpopulation is by killing people.

(It isn't by the way).

 

[samsmart]

Abortions become a huge factor in this, and I think a middle-ground interpretation would be reducing the 2.2 billion expect growth by 10-15%.

I think birth control is a bigger factor in this.

 

[rathi]

In very clear terms, exactly what do you think Gates is up to? Provide evidence for your hypothesis.

 

[VanceMack]

In very clear terms, exactly what do you think Gates is up to? Provide evidence for your hypothesis.

Bill Gates finally banked more money than God and now he wants to ensure his soul isnt condemned to hell for Microsoft so he is becoming magnaminous and benevolent (easy to do when you own your own Island). He spews inane rhetoric like all the other useful idiots.

 

[Deuce]

Bill Gates finally banked more money than God and now he wants to ensure his soul isnt condemned to hell for Microsoft so he is becoming magnaminous and benevolent (easy to do when you own your own Island). He spews inane rhetoric like all the other useful idiots.

It's not inane. You just don't understand what he is talking about at all.

 

[MKULTRABOY]

You ever think he's actually talking about relatively complicated things with many logical assumptions taken into account and abridged from the lecture as to make it shorter and more absorbable by regular joes. Rather than apply yourself to understanding what goes into that information it seems you've read conspiracies in those spaces instead.

- First graph shows that Co2 did not exist prior to 1855.

Possibly man made emissions were negligible before oh say.... significant development about the time of the industrial revolution or so?

- CO2 = P * S * E * C : That is CO2 (which MUST be "near 0") = PEOPLE * Services /(per) person * energy / service * Co2 / energy. Look closely at this equation... Gates even says it himself "In order for CO2 to get close to zero something in this equation is going to have to drop close to 0.

He could be talking about zeroing out S, E, or C... but he is NOT... Because as long as people are around they will be paying for services that use energy and produce co2... PEOPLE in his equation is THE ONLY factor that can be reduced close to 0 and be workable in the real world.

No, you've made a mistake, we could possibly deduce from the lack of audience uproar that he's implying a complete reduction in CO2 in conjunction with the subsequent slide that says ZERO C02 directly afterwards. How you couldn't make the connection as he makes the point from one slide to the other I don't know. But maybe you are right and the audience is a madly brainwashed flock of sheep that would sit still while someone implied complete euthanasia of the human race on a stage.

 

[BmanMcfly]

I think birth control is a bigger factor in this.

Ya possibly... Bill Gates connections with planned parenthood suggests the leaning interest in increasing abortions.

So, the premise of your post is that Bill Gates wants to kill off a chunk of the population?

He was just part of a group that was making a 'bid to curb overpopulation'...

You clearly do not understand what he is talking about.

Then demonstrate my flawed point... since I'm so far off base this should be easy.

edit: Also, you are really bad at math.

Which part?? Cause most of the math is bill gates math.

You ever think he's actually talking about relatively complicated things with many logical assumptions taken into account and abridged from the lecture as to make it shorter and more absorbable by regular joes. Rather than apply yourself to understanding what goes into that information it seems you've read conspiracies in those spaces instead.

I understand what goes into that information :
- Draw a conclusion
- Start collecting data
- modify / throw out data that does not correspond to your conclusion
- Declare that an element necessary to life is a deadly nerve toxin that will kill us all.
- shut out anyone that disagrees from the dabate and call it 'consensus'

Bill Gates is a smart man... I hope we can agree on that... that's why he delibarately made EMOTIONAL arguments.

I'm not 'filling in conspiracies'... Gates was listed among the members of the 'billionaires thinking group' that has intentions of curbing overpopulation, he's also well tied in with 'planned parenthood' (the largest abortion organization known to man... mainly of african americans)

Possibly man made emissions were negligible before oh say.... significant development about the time of the industrial revolution or so?

Again, he's using an emotional argument that says one thing while making a rational statement that says something slightly different. If what you're saying was accurate, he wouldn't have added in : "As long as there is CO2 the temperatures will increase".

I can guarantee that Gates didn't just come up with that speech on his own... he more then likely had a whole team of individuals designing every nuance and choosing every word deliberately to create the desired impact in his audience.

No, you've made a mistake, we could possibly deduce from the lack of audience uproar that he's implying a complete reduction in CO2 in conjunction with the subsequent slide that says ZERO C02 directly afterwards.

Of course... and to get to 0 CO2, you follow his simple equation, where he says 1 of those things will have to go close to 0.
A) People could go down close to 0
b) Services could go down to 0
c) Energy use could go down to 0, or
d) energy efficiency can reduce co2 emissions to 0

Adding in the things that 'doing a good job' would typically lead to an increase in population would somehow lower population is also curious... if he's really pushing foro 'energy efficiency miracles'.

How you couldn't make the connection as he makes the point from one slide to the other I don't know. But maybe you are right and the audience is a madly brainwashed flock of sheep that would sit still while someone implied complete euthanasia of the human race on a stage.

It's getting a little late for me to start digging, but I'll find the video tomorrow of a university prof that says that there needs to be an 'airborn ebola' to kill off the majority of the people... to a standing ovation.

His audience was mostly younger people, that I imagine were captivated at seeing Bill Gates speak, and didn't really take the time to question the implications of what he was saying. Remember, he was making mostly emotional arguments, he doesn't come out and say 'we need to kill people', he says 'CO2 is bad, and people are among the causes of CO2, and one of the factors that would have to go down near 0 to save the earth...' the implied argument is : humans cause CO2, which is bad, so people are bad... and if we don't have 'energy miracles' to get rid of CO2 then we're going to have to reduce populations through means like 'vaccines', health care and family planning (re: planned parenthood... re: aborting undesirables, based on his links with other groups as well that are interested in depopulation.

 

[BmanMcfly]

I didn't find his speech... but at 4:05-4:10 in this video is the quote that saw a standing ovation.

The proper quote was more along the lines "Aids doesn't kill people fast enough".
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZJSJ9ilELM"]YouTube- CNN - Professor wants doomsday, human depopulation[/nomedia]
The video of that speech shows Pianka getting a standing ovation for those remarks.

 

[rathi]

So bill gates has some diabolical plan to reduce the carbon footprint of humanity by killing us all? I wonder how you eat breakfast in the morning without seeing a conspiracy in your cheerios.

 

[VanceMack]

It's not inane. You just don't understand what he is talking about at all.

Riiiight! :doh

He is no different than the Goracle...he takes snippets of other peoples thoughts and research and presents it, usually incorrectly, as fact. And then his absolutely freqin mindless minions swallow it like Monica looking for a Pentagon job.

 

[Deuce]

The Bill Gates Plan, For Morons:

1) In that P * S * E *C formula: Reduce the carbon-per-energy variable to zero or near-zero. He's talking about green energy. Reducing the C variable, not P. Bill Gates favors heavy, heavy adoption of nuclear power, because it doesn't have any CO2 emissions.

2) Industrialization, as well as elimination of hunger/disease/poverty, lowers the birth rate. People in poor, disease-ridden countries tend to have more children, because they need more help to support the family/community/farm, etc, and because disease and starvation claim so many lives, there's a lot of bodies to replace. Stabilizing a community has the natural effect of lowering the birth rate, which is important because this rock we live on can only support so many of us. Gates is talking about eliminating disease and poverty as best as we are able, because, yes, that actually will help reduce the coming overpopulation issues we'll face in a century or so.

3) For ****'s sake, vaccination doesn't kill people. It doesn't even cause autism, despite what that crazy woman Jenny McCarthy tells you.

 

[BmanMcfly]

The Bill Gates Plan, For Morons:

1) In that P * S * E *C formula: Reduce the carbon-per-energy variable to zero or near-zero. He's talking about green energy. Reducing the C variable, not P. Bill Gates favors heavy, heavy adoption of nuclear power, because it doesn't have any CO2 emissions.

Actually, if that's the perspective you're going to take... what he said was that ONE of those MUST go down to 0. However, HE DOES say that in poor countries people still produce 1 tonne of CO2 per year (approximately how much CO2 is exhaled from the average person who otherwise does not own a car, a heated house, hot water, etc...). He also phrased it as an ultimatum : Either invest in nuclear OR the number of people is going to have to be reduced.

2) Industrialization, as well as elimination of hunger/disease/poverty, lowers the birth rate. People in poor, disease-ridden countries tend to have more children, because they need more help to support the family/community/farm, etc, and because disease and starvation claim so many lives, there's a lot of bodies to replace. Stabilizing a community has the natural effect of lowering the birth rate, which is important because this rock we live on can only support so many of us. Gates is talking about eliminating disease and poverty as best as we are able, because, yes, that actually will help reduce the coming overpopulation issues we'll face in a century or so.

Yes, this part is also true... Untill you look closer at how Gates' 'philanthropy' actually gets used at the end of the day...

3) For ****'s sake, vaccination doesn't kill people. It doesn't even cause autism, despite what that crazy woman Jenny McCarthy tells you.

That's funny, because I've heard interviews with doctors whose practises has a 0 vaccine policy... he goes on to say that among his patients he has not seen 1 case of autism, asthma, or auto-immune diseases. Probably coincidence.

There's a specific reason why I linked to the actual vaccine insert for the H1N1 shot... (which in part was funded through Bill Gates philanthropy), that has listed side-effects, and says SPECIFICALLY to NOT inject in pregnant women, the elderly, or children under 4.... A pure coincidence that these groups were 'top priority' to be vaccinated.

 

[Deuce]

Oh forget it. There's no use arguing with the tinfoil hat crowd.

 

[BmanMcfly]

So bill gates has some diabolical plan to reduce the carbon footprint of humanity by killing us all? I wonder how you eat breakfast in the morning without seeing a conspiracy in your cheerios.

You're putting words into my mouth here... I'm glad I didn't bother going into more depth of Bill Gates, because you didn't even bother looking at all the sourced information.

We're not talking about 'conspiracy theories' here... we're talking about a verifiable agenda that is using 'environmentalism' to make "humanity the enemy of mankind".

if Bill gates JUST wanted to discuss 'clean energy' why would he have gone to the lengths of having the first 5 minutes of this speech talking about the negative effects of humans through their CO2... Everyone SHOULD know that CO2 is necessary to breathing, and when his equation is highlighting 'people' and saying 'one of these is going to have to go down to near 0'... It's a statement... and just because he spends the rest of his presentation dealing with energy innovations, does that somehow 'make up' for his calling for reducing population if those innovations are not met??

 

[Deuce]

You're putting words into my mouth here... I'm glad I didn't bother going into more depth of Bill Gates, because you didn't even bother looking at all the sourced information.

We're not talking about 'conspiracy theories' here... we're talking about a verifiable agenda that is using 'environmentalism' to make "humanity the enemy of mankind".

if Bill gates JUST wanted to discuss 'clean energy' why would he have gone to the lengths of having the first 5 minutes of this speech talking about the negative effects of humans through their CO2... Everyone SHOULD know that CO2 is necessary to breathing, and when his equation is highlighting 'people' and saying 'one of these is going to have to go down to near 0'... It's a statement... and just because he spends the rest of his presentation dealing with energy innovations, does that somehow 'make up' for his calling for reducing population if those innovations are not met??

No, you see, what you're talking about never actually happened because you're a crazy person who is seeing things that aren't there.

 

[Deuce]

Also,

Steve Jobs: You'll never be half the man Bill Gates is. (if you survive long enough to try anyway, hang in there!)

 

[rathi]

Steve Jobs: You'll never be half the man Bill Gates is. (if you survive long enough to try anyway, hang in there!)

True, but only because Steve is already twice the man Bill is. Impossibly slick marketing skills are more impressive than illegal monopoly behavior.

 

[BmanMcfly]

No, you see, what you're talking about never actually happened because you're a crazy person who is seeing things that aren't there.

Is that some sort of 'jedi mind trick'??

Do you want me to link to the articles again??

I know that New york times are 'crazy conspiracy theorists' and all, but I'm just collating that information into a coherent point and somehow that makes me insane???

Can you teach me how to be 'sane' and just 'deny' anything that makes me uncomforatable out of existance??? I mean, I would call that delusional, but hey... if delusions is what will make me sane, then I'll follow your lead.

 

[Deuce]

Is that some sort of 'jedi mind trick'??

Do you want me to link to the articles again??

I know that New york times are 'crazy conspiracy theorists' and all, but I'm just collating that information into a coherent point and somehow that makes me insane???

Can you teach me how to be 'sane' and just 'deny' anything that makes me uncomforatable out of existance??? I mean, I would call that delusional, but hey... if delusions is what will make me sane, then I'll follow your lead.

The man makes a 27 minute speech on reducing the carbon our energy sources put out, and you're focusing on the 30 seconds he spent mentioning population. It's not healthy behavior.

Worse, you're misunderstanding what he means by a slower birth rate. See my previous post on the effects of industrialization and stabilizing a country on that country's rate of birth.

 

[Deuce]

True, but only because Steve is already twice the man Bill is. Impossibly slick marketing skills are more impressive than illegal monopoly behavior.

I must have missed Jobs' 10 billion dollar donation to vaccinations and continued efforts to improve the world. It was more of a tongue-in-cheek challenge for Jobs to start working more towards charity, although the man has his own battles to fight first. Hope he makes it out ok, his product design vision has really changed the electronics industry.