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Stinger said:Why in the full context of what he said?
We've got Bennett's statement to discuss no need to through in made-up ones which have nothing to do with what he said.
I don't know where you read that, but the fact remains that Blacks commit crimes at higher rates than any other groups.
And a host of other factors and simply choice to commit them. There are lots of ignorant poor people who do no commit crimes.
Yes but which cause which if they is an actual causal relationship. Does the criminal activity cause the poverty or the otherway around. Do poor neighborhoods cause crime or does crime cause poor neighborhoods.
:roflthat is abasolutely one of the most perposterious statements I have ever heard. If white males were going around committing crimes at the same rates as black males we wouldn't even have a judicial system left.
The statistics that are relevent are the ones that tell us whites get better educations (not necessarily higher they just get high school educations at a mimimum), don't have as many children out of wedlock, and get married and stay married at higher rates. Those three things just about guaranty you won't be living in poverty. Those three things are very lacking in black society and it's not because of racisim or anything whites do to blacks or becaues anyone forces any of these things on black society.
Deegan said:I would just add, as I forgot to mention this, that I don't appreciate the anology used here, and I can't imagine what Bill was thinking. Sometimes you can be correct, and still be an a**hole, this is not the brutal honesty that will help the situation, but I still think we need strong words, and actions.
What's the missing context?Navy Pride said:Its amazing how the left can take a statement a Conservative makes completely out of the context it was meant.........
Its nothing really new though......The same thing happened to Senator Trent Lott........
Sad.......
danarhea said:OK. I will take that at face value as an honest statement, but lets level the playing field so that this does not appear to be rascist. Fair enough?
So, if we are going to support black abortions to cut down on inner city crime, we should also call on abortions for Republican politicans' families in order to reduce graft and corruption in government. No more Jack Abramoffs, no more mob hits in Florida, no more Tom Delays, etc, etc, etc. While we are at it, lets also support abortions for Republican televangelists. That way, we dont get anymore Pat Robertsons who, instead of using donations to feed the hungry in Africa, are using them in diamond and gold mining operations, while the victims the funds were intended for die of starvation. Finally, lets have Republican presidents' families get abortions too, so our troops stop dying in wars based on vanity.
You may call me an asshole for posting this, but as you said, sometimes a person can be correct and still be an asshole.
danarhea said:OK. I will take that at face value as an honest statement, but lets level the playing field so that this does not appear to be rascist. Fair enough?
So, if we are going to support black abortions to cut down on inner city crime, we should also call on abortions for Republican politicans' families in order to reduce graft and corruption in government. No more Jack Abramoffs, no more mob hits in Florida, no more Tom Delays, etc, etc, etc. While we are at it, lets also support abortions for Republican televangelists. That way, we dont get anymore Pat Robertsons who, instead of using donations to feed the hungry in Africa, are using them in diamond and gold mining operations, while the victims the funds were intended for die of starvation. Finally, lets have Republican presidents' families get abortions too, so our troops stop dying in wars based on vanity.
You may call me an asshole for posting this, but as you said, sometimes a person can be correct and still be an asshole.
danarhea said:So, if we are going to support black abortions to cut down on inner city crime, we should also call on abortions for Republican politicans' families in order to reduce graft and corruption in government. No more Jack Abramoffs, no more mob hits in Florida, no more Tom Delays, etc, etc, etc. While we are at it, lets also support abortions for Republican televangelists.
Pacridge said:What's that all about?
DeeJayH said:if a statement is factually true, can it be racism
maybe hard medicine to swallow, and a sad commentary on our society
but it is true
and ironically, the dems dont care about blacks
Deegan said:I just wish for the good of the country, we could open up honest conversations about what is keeping poor people down, in this case, poor black people. I am convinced that it has been due to years of social programs, programs that just throw money at the problems, and are seriously lacking in personal responsibility.
douglas4123 said:Democrats do care about blacks, let us not forget that it was a Democrat who signed the civil rights act
The only reason why blacks are statistically shown to create more crime is because they are given unfair odds.
They are less likely to become successful no matter how good they are at what they do,
and I feel that is definately a problem that needs to be faced by this country.
I'm sure that someone is going to say that Lincoln freed the slaves and he was a Republican, which is all true, however lets not forget the fact that the parties switched directions for the most part with the New Deal during Roosevelt's presidency.
So for the most part Lincoln would be considered a moderate republican maybe even a democrat by current standards.
Stinger said:And thanked the Republicans who fought the Democrat filibusters, all three of them, and finally got it passed.
"Odds" they place upon themselves.
Then why are there so many successful blacks?
And what specifically do you believe the problem is and how is it to be solved?
And that is factually incorrect. The Republicans by far voted overwhelmingly for the civil rights and voting rights legislation while the Democrats fought to block both.
Not based on civil rights and he would probably have opposed affirmative action with it's race based policies.
In the election of 1968, Richard Nixon saw the cracks in the solid south as an opportunity to tap into a group of voters that had heretofore been beyond the reach of the Republican Party. The United States was undergoing a very turbulent period in 1968. The founder of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and most influential member of the Civil Rights Movement, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated April 4, 1968. His death was followed by race riots. Martin Luther King’s policy of non-violence was being challenged by more radical blacks and by the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. There were protests, often violent, against the Vietnam War. The drug subculture was causing alarm in many sectors. Nixon, with the aid of Harry Dent and then South Carolina Senator Strom Thurmond, who had switched to the Republican party in 1964, ran on a campaign of states' rights and "law and order". Many liberals accused him of pandering to racist Southern whites, especially with regards to his "states' rights" stand.
The Southern Strategy was deployed even more effectively by Richard Nixon in the election of 1968. Nixon, with the aid of now-Senator Thurmond, who had switched to the Republican party in 1964, ran on a campaign of states' rights and "law and order." As a result every state that had been in the Confederacy, except Texas, voted for either Nixon or Southern Democrat George Wallace, despite a strong tradition of supporting Democrats. Meanwhile, Nixon parlayed a wide perception as a moderate into wins in other states, taking a solid majority in the electoral college. That is why the election of 1968 is sometimes cited as a realigning election.
SouthernDemocrat said:You are missing the entire point.
Lower poverty rates mean lower crime.
Lower poverty rates mean less children born out of wedlock.
Lower poverty rates mean less abortions because there are less unwanted children.
Lower poverty rates mean better schools because the districts have more money and resources available to them.
The poverty rate dropped during the nineties. During that time, violent crime rates dropped and abortion rates dropped.
The poverty rate has increased every year for the past 5 years.
During that time, violent crime rates went up, abortion rates have went up.
Race is not the key here, its poverty and ignorance.
Stinger said:......No one has said it is "the key" but you cannot deny the fact that blacks engage in far more crime than other races do.
SouthernDemocrat said:And every northeastern liberal Republican left the party over time, and just about every racist Dixiecrat jumped ship to the Republicans.
I am from the south, I know why southerners vote Republican now and its all because of race baiting and gun laws.
That is it. Its that "Southern Strategy" that the GOP has been pursuing every since the early 70s.
I mean you guys must think that Black people are morons or something for voting Democrat.
Until the Republicans leave behind the legacy of race baiting in the south,
they will never have the Black vote.
Then again, if they did that, they might risk loosing the southern vote.
The White House on Friday criticized former Education Secretary William Bennett for remarks linking the crime rate and the abortion of black babies.
"The president believes the comments were not appropriate,'' White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.
Stinger said:Nope, the Dixiecrats, after their failed campaign for the presidency, remained Democrats. Thurmond was the only Democrat who changed parties and that was after the Republicans won passage of the civil rights bill so hardly a reason to go there. Gore, Fulbright, Byrd and all the other Democrats who filibustered the Civil Rights legislation remained Democrats to their dying day.
I am from the South and still live in the South. I was vice-president of the Teen-Age Republicans in my city in 1968 and we support candidates who support passage of the civil-rights legislation and we supported desegregation. The Democrats opposed both. And clearly the race baiters STILL live in the Democrat party.
The most misrepresented Strategy in American History. It had nothing to do with brining the racist policies of the Democrats into the Republican party. Nixon was well known as a supporter of and fighter for the Civil Rights laws. Here from one of his political startegist.
[FONT="]"Now, as a co-architect of the Nixon strategy that gave the GOP a lock on the White House for a quarter century, let me say that Kristol's opportunism is matched only by his ignorance. Richard Nixon kicked off his historic comeback in 1966 with a column on the South (by this writer) that declared we would build our Republican Party on a foundation of states rights, human rights, small government and a strong national defense, and leave it to the "party of Maddox, Mahoney and Wallace to squeeze the last ounces of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice." [/FONT]
[FONT="]In that '66 campaign, Nixon – who had been thanked personally by Dr. King for his help in passing the Civil Rights Act of 1957 – endorsed all Republicans, except members of the John Birch Society. [/FONT]
[FONT="]In 1968, Nixon chose Spiro Agnew for vice president. Why? Agnew had routed George ("Your home is your castle!") Mahoney for governor of Maryland but had also criticized civil-rights leaders who failed to condemn the riots that erupted after the assassination of King. The Agnew of 1968 was both pro-civil rights and pro-law and order."
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[FONT="]Between 1969 and 1974, Nixon – who believed that blacks had gotten a raw deal in America and wanted to extend a helping hand: [/FONT]
And let's not forget that it was a Republican President, bucking a Democrat congress, who sent troops into a Democrat controlled state to desegregate the schools, that being Eisenhower and Arkansas.
- [FONT="]raised the civil rights enforcement budget 800 percent; [/FONT]
- [FONT="]doubled the budget for black colleges; [/FONT]
- [FONT="]appointed more blacks to federal posts and high positions than any president, including LBJ; [/FONT]
- [FONT="]adopted the Philadelphia Plan mandating quotas for blacks in unions, and for black scholars in colleges and universities; [/FONT]
- [FONT="]invented "Black Capitalism" (the Office of Minority Business Enterprise), raised U.S. purchases from black businesses from $9 million to $153 million, increased small business loans to minorities 1,000 percent, increased U.S. deposits in minority-owned banks 4,000 percent; [/FONT]
- [FONT="]raised the share of Southern schools that were desegregated from 10 percent to 70 percent. Wrote the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in 1975, "It has only been since 1968 that substantial reduction of racial segregation has taken place in the South."[/FONT]
No I think the only people who think that are on your side, the side that thinks blacks must live by the government dole.
Since it never existed and is only the rhetorical creation of Democrats to hide their own Civil Rights record there is nothing to leave.
And you say others are racist and demeaning to blacks.
Hmmmmm my neighboring city, in which I work, just elected a black mayor who won by getting the majority of the white Republican vote.
I think you need to get rid of your preconcieved, erroneous notions, do a little historical reading and take the blinders off as the the racial situation in the South these days.
SouthernDemocrat said:Everything else aside. Do Blacks engage in far more crime because they are black, or do they engage in far more crime because of poverty and ignorance?
Its a simple question.
So really, what we are doing is loosing the progress we made while Clinton was in office.[/quote]Moreover, your other asserition is intellectually dishonest on poverty rates. The poverty rate had dropped every year while Clinton was in office, it has now risen every year since Bush has been in office.
Halfway through Clintons term the poverty rate was 13.1 it is now hovering around 12.1 having fallen from just over 13% during the height of the recession, you are factually incorrect.
SouthernDemocrat said:Eisenhower and Nixon would be some of the most liberal Republicans in the entire party if they were alive today. Your party is not the same party it was in the early 70s and 60s and neither is mine.
If the Republicans are such a party of civil rights
will not put the money and resources behind one African American to get them elected to Congress?
Like I say, you must just think that Blacks are stupid or something, or think they are nothing but a bunch of deadbeats and only vote Democrat because they think the Democrats will let them live off of the government.
I dont know which part of the south you are from, but I am from Arkansas,
and Arkansans that vote Republican dont vote Republican because they agree with the concepts of Supply Side Economics and Free Trade, they vote on 3 issues, race, guns, and abortion.
That is the southern strategy in a nutshell. You act like your talking to someone who doesnt know.
shuamort said:What's the missing context?
Pacridge said:So that means for the statement to be true then at least 39.6% of black males would need to be on parole or probation. It's possible but I find that highly unlikely.
Has anyone told Kanye West?shuamort said:It looks like the White House is now condemning Bill Bennett's remarks:The White House on Friday criticized former Education Secretary William Bennett for remarks linking the crime rate and the abortion of black babies.
"The president believes the comments were not appropriate,'' White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.
Deegan said:Clintons cuts welfare, the poverty goes down, Brilliant.
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