Big voting bill faces defeat as 2 Dems won’t stop filibuster

[Peacenik]

Like Jack Nicholson said in "A Few Good Men":
"You want the truth?! You can't handle the truth!".

Wait for November and then talk to us about "truth".

Might want to have a word with Lindsey Graham about truth. Go ahead. Use his words against him. See if he cares. Nobody else does.

 

[Peacenik]

Even if Schumer dares to eliminate the filibuster, you know he does not even have a majority in the Senate to past those unpopular sweeping bills in order to save Biden's failed legacy.
So what is the point of removing the filibuster?

If the filibuster is not eliminated to pass this, it will be as soon as it gets in the way of Republicans.

Go ahead. Use my words against me.

 

[BirdinHand]

If the filibuster is not eliminated to pass this, it will be as soon as it gets in the way of Republicans.

Go ahead. Use my words against me.

It doesn’t have the votes to pass even with a simple majority. The filibuster doesn’t even matter.

48 does not a majority make.

It’s dead. Just like the BBB

 

[RedFishBlueFish]

It doesn’t have the votes to pass even with a simple majority. The filibuster doesn’t even matter.

48 does not a majority make.

It’s dead. Just like the BBB

Probably. But, it's still a useful exercise as it will (likely) show the American public that no Republicans support strengthening voter rights legislation. And the individual Republicans that vote against it will be on the record.

 

[BirdinHand]

Probably. But, it's still a useful exercise as it will (likely) show the American public that no Republicans support strengthening voter rights legislation. And the individual Republicans that vote against it will be on the record.

Good.

This isn’t strengthening voter rights, it’s the federal government usurping state control of elections.

I’m glad to see it fail and I’m sure every democrat that voted yes will be challenged on it in the election.

Bad move forcing a vote on legislation that has no chance of passing

 

[dobieg]

Thin blue line flag = racism and protecting other cops at the expense of black lives. Blacks have been systematically driven into poverty through redlining and other discrimination. The Trump Party doesn't want schools to teach anything about race because the Trump Party is in denial that the Trump Party owes it's power to racism. Without the racist vote, Trump would never have been elected.
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Worse, Trump clings to power because his cult following is duped. Trump is the greatest con man of all time. He has conned half the nation. Trump is endorsing candidates to replace everyone who stood in the way of his subversion of the 2020 election. Even if a Democrat wins in 2024, Republican states will ignore their election results and send racist Trump electors to DC.

The whole reason the USA is so bitterly divided is because the rich and powerful want it that way. All the better for them to retain and increase power. Republicans are duped into going along with white corporate mind control.

Franklin was right. A republic, if you can keep it.

Today's Republican party is what he was talking about.

sounds like you are already setting the framework to subvert our DemocrAll enemies. Foreign AND domestic. Corporate propaganda is public enemy number one.

Sounds like you're setting the framework to subvert Democracy to try to steal the election by claiming we stole the election.


In other words, it looks like Democrats will try to pull a "Trump" in 2022.

 

[BirdinHand]

I notice that you oppose "Universal absentee balloting" but support "Universal vote-by-mail (every voter gets a ballot, even if they didn't ask for it)".

The only item that you oppose that I agree with is "Election Day made into a federal holiday in presidential and midterm years" because I simply don't think that it is necessary if employers are required to allow their employees to have sufficient time free from work to cast their ballot.

PS - "State rights vs. Federal" simply doesn't make it in light of the specific wording of the Constitution of the United States of America which says

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"The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations"​

(Article I, section 4).​

[slight emphasis added for clarity]​

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and that means that the Federal government has the overriding authority on times, places, and manner of holding elections.​

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You did know that that was in the Constitution of the United States of America, didn't you?​

Overriding authority only of the federal government can PASS the legislation. They can’t. Go back into committees and come up with something with a bit less overreach and maybe it stands a chance.

 

[JustAFella]

Remember when the press went on and on about how Joe was uniquely qualified to bring people together and reach across the aisle?

He can't even get his own party together.

Ultraprogressive bills are difficult to ram down people's throats. Who knew?

It is absolutely fair to say Biden was naive when he said getting rid of Trump would return the GOP to sanity.

Manchin and Sinema are bought and paid for corporate Democrats. They will let the GOP gerrymander and voter restriction our Democracy into oblivion, but are "concerned" about preserving the arcane obstacle to keep anything from getting done.

 

[Blue Dog]

The problem goes beyond Sinema and Manchin.

With few exceptions, Republicans are not going to support legislation that allows the Biden Administration to get credit.

If this bill cannot garner support from Romney, Collins, and Murkowski, it speaks volumes…

 

[BirdinHand]

Democrats (at least 48 Dem. Senators) support a law to basically ban partisan gerrymandering. How many Republican Senators support such a measure?

Then go back and fix the legislation so that’s all it contains.

 

[Rawley]

The problem goes beyond Sinema and Manchin.
With few exceptions, Republicans are not going to support legislation that allows the Biden Administration to get credit.

Like the bipartisan infrastructure bill?

 

[highroller]

"Jim Crow filibuster"

Liberals love that old chestnut, the Race Card. When all else fails...

Jim Crow is right. Now they are just oppressing everyone regardless of race.

 

[BirdinHand]

The problem goes beyond Sinema and Manchin.

With few exceptions, Republicans are not going to support legislation that allows the Biden Administration to get credit.

If this bill cannot garner support from Romney, Collins, and Murkowski, it speaks volumes…

Yeah, that it is bad legislation

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

From Associated Press

Big voting bill faces defeat as 2 Dems won’t stop filibuster​

WASHINGTON (AP) — Voting legislation that’s a top priority for Democrats and civil rights leaders seemed headed for defeat as the Senate opened debate Tuesday, a devastating setback enabled by President Joe Biden’s own party as two holdout senators refuse to support rule changes to overcome a Republican filibuster.

The Democratic senators, Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and Joe Manchin of West Virginia, face strong criticism from Black leaders and civil rights organizations for failing to take on what the critics call the “Jim Crow filibuster.”

The debate carries echoes of an earlier era when the Senate filibuster was deployed by opponents of civil rights legislation. It comes as Democrats and other voting advocates nationwide warn that Republican-led states are passing laws making it more difficult for Black Americans and others to vote by consolidating polling locations, requiring certain types of identification and ordering other changes.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer acknowledged the current bill’s likely defeat this week. But he said the fight is not over as he heeds advocates’ call to force all senators to go on record with their positions.

COMMENT:-

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Are these real quotes, or just what they say in private?​

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"I support voting rights for all Americans but I won't do what is needed to get voting rights for all Americans." Sen. J. Manchin [Dolt] WV.​

"I support voting rights for all Americans provided that there is something in it for me, otherwise I don't give a damn." Sen K Sinema [Dolt] AZ​

"I am afraid of what will happen if the Republicans take control of the House and Senate but I'm doing everything that I can to ensure that that happens." Sen J. Manchin [Dolt] WV​

"I am afraid of what will happen if the Republicans take control of the House and Senate unless, of course, I get re-elected in which case I don't give a damn." Sen K. Sinema [Dolt] AZ​

You realize you SHEEP keep posting "Voting Rights" BS, but you NEVER point out what is :
A) Wrong with the Current Voting Laws
B) What is Racist, Bad, or suppressive of the current Voting Laws
C) Or how the NEW DEM Voting Bill will be good for America !!!!......

If you "REALLY" want 1 person 1 Vote, you would be asking for EVERYONE to bring a Valid US ID when Voting ! That would be one of the
Safest things America could do to Protect "THE PEOPLES RIGHT TO VOTE" !!!!....

But what are the DEM's asking to do ??? Let ANYONE, ANYWHERE, at ANYTIME Vote and not try to confirm if they've Voted already !.....

Here's how the Racist DEM's have Con'ed you Sheep into thinking our Voting Laws are Racist !

 

[Gateman_Wen]

That's not a thing

It shouldn't be, but it definitely is. That's what the senate has always been.

 

[Moon]

The problem goes beyond Sinema and Manchin.

With few exceptions, Republicans are not going to support legislation that allows the Biden Administration to get credit.

If this bill cannot garner support from Romney, Collins, and Murkowski, it speaks volumes…

What about the infrastructure bill? Republicans voted to pass that one which certainly gives Biden a win.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

How is it “tyranny of the minority” when the Senate is split evenly and even with the trouncing victory of Biden over Trump for POTUS, there is only a 10 member advantage to the DNC?

Those are two pretty evenly split legislative bodies….so the entire narrative of “tyranny of the minority” doesn’t hold water.

Look at why the senate is split evenly.

In the incoming Senate, Democratic senators will represent at least 20,314,962 more people than their Republican counterparts — and that’s if we assume that Republicans win both runoff elections in Georgia. If the two Georgia seats go to the Democrats, the Senate will be split 50-50, but the Democratic half will represent 41,549,808 more people than the Republican half.

America’s anti-democratic Senate, by the numbers

If the United States chose its leaders in free and fair elections, Republicans would be firmly out of power.

www.vox.com

 

[Perotista]

And pissed off Black and Latino groups.

Blacks from the East St. Louis area filed a lawsuit. What happened was that their district was carved up, placing a lot of blacks into the 2 adjacent districts to turn them from Republican to democrat while maintaining enough blacks in the original district to ensure it remained democratic. I haven’t read or heard anything of the lawsuit for a couple of months now. I don’t know where it stands.

 

[BirdinHand]

Look at why the senate is split evenly.

America’s anti-democratic Senate, by the numbers

If the United States chose its leaders in free and fair elections, Republicans would be firmly out of power.

www.vox.com

Suddenly, the 2 senators per state that has existed since the beginning of the government is not good enough.

Man…what’s next?

 

[Blue Dog]

What about the infrastructure bill? Republicans voted to pass that one which certainly gives Biden a win.

Agreed. That’s why I also said “with few exceptions”

 

[Perotista]

Democrats (at least 48 Dem. Senators) support a law to basically ban partisan gerrymandering. How many Republican Senators support such a measure?

No republican in the senate supports the all-encompassing Voting Right act. As for gerrymandering, let’s introduce it as a stand-alone piece of legislation minus everything else. Just outlawing gerrymandering. Ditch the rest and then we’ll see. I would whole heartitly support that. But not the whole Voting Rights bill which is an attempt in my opinion to legislate permenant democratic control. Saying one is in favor of voting rights, yet gerrymanders away the people choice giving Pre-determined reuslts in my opinion isn't being for voting rights at all. Just for the voting rights of those who vote Democratic.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

Suddenly, the 2 senators per state that has existed since the beginning of the government is not good enough.

Man…what’s next?

"Suddenly"?

This isn't a new compliant.

 

[Anthony60]

Voter suppression is actually a diversion. Of course it is serious and voting should certainly be expanded, not further restricted. Voter fraud is nearly non-existent. Republicans are changing laws to favor the Republican party, it is clear.

The real danger is election subversion. Republicans are preparing to over-rule elections if Republicans don't win. They will simply disregard the results of the election if a Democrat wins, and instead select their own electors who will hand their electoral votes to the Republican candidate. Particularly if it is Trump in 24. The fascist takeover of the USA is under way.

Sounds like you are for Democrats taking States rights away so that they can manipulate elections. Nullifying people's right to vote doesn't sound like a voting rights bill to me. You ought to know by now that when the left slaps a name on a bill, it usually does the exact opposite.

 

[BirdinHand]

"Suddenly"?

This isn't a new compliant.

It’s a rather silly one. Almost as though individuals don’t appreciate the difference between the 2 houses in the legislative branch.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

It’s a rather silly one. Almost as though individuals don’t appreciate the difference between the 2 houses in the legislative branch.

It's neither new nor silly. It's been a thing since before the constitution was ratified.