Big Dilemma: Oprah Balks At Hosting Sarah Palin; Staff Divided

[don'ttreadonme]

You'd find that different if you lived in a non-union state.
You'd find a lot of conservative republicans in construction (or actually, on the unemployment line, bitching about how "Dem dam illeguls stole our jobs!").
Ignoring the fact that them damn illegals have their own tools, are more experienced in most cases, and show up to the job site each day, punctual and sober, in a button-down shirt and pressed trousers (even if they have to ride there eight of them packed into the back of a beat-to-**** old pickup truck), instead of stinking, hung-over, and stubble-faced with their hair pulled back in some grizzled old ponytail, wearing a wife-beater with tattoos, armpit hair, and beer-guts hanging out all over the place. Plus they're willing to work for less. Who the hell wouldn't prefer them?

Could this post be any more uppity and snooty towards people in blue collar jobs?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

It's a no win situation for Oprah.

Palin hits another grandslam in front of a national audience, comprised mainly of women.

or

Palin gets even more attention from a national audience because she's been snubbed by Oprah.

I would say that this is a pretty good assessment. Add to this that Palin has a very different ideology than Oprah.

 

[1069]

Could this post be any more uppity and snooty towards people in blue collar jobs?

Dunno. Probably, if I really worked at it.

Look, my husband did framing for years. Now my eldest child is roofing.
But here's the thing: my husband did that because it was hard for him to get anything else with his record, and because his self-confidence was in the gutter, and because of a woeful lack of education. He was probably, in retrospect, functionally illiterate at the time. And my son wants a job where he can look like a goddamned freak, wear whatever he wants, do whatever stupid thing he wants with his hair, drop out of high school and still make better than minimum wage.
Especially in non-union states, construction is dangerous. Most contractors don't have insurance on their employees. If they get hurt, oh well. They don't follow OSHA standards. My husband routinely worked for bosses who made him do stuff like wire back the safety on his nail gun and work in the air all day, climbing around on 4" boards twenty feet off the ground, without a safety harness. And demo old houses full of asbestos, without proper breathing apparatus. Half the guys on his crew were either alcoholics or meth freaks. The boss himself was a meth head.

I'm saying, it's a crap job. And here are these skilled, industrious immigrants, willing to treat it like a profession, for less pay than American workers demand, willing to work longer hours, willing to work harder, with less complaining. When corners are cut regarding their safety, they don't seem to care... or at least, they have no recourse, so they don't dare make an issue of it.
I'm just pointing out, you know... if you were getting a crew together, which would you pick?

 

[aps]

Your statement has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. I don't know why you even bothered quoting me! The way the McCain campaign, and conservatives in general answer any question with an attack on Obama is sad. The questions go unanswered, and does not help the democratic process in any way.

First, welcome to Debate Politics!

This is what the Republicans and Conservatives will do if there is even a hint of an attack on McCain and/or Palin--attack Obama! Their motto is that if you can't argue the facts (because the facts don't look good for McCain and/or Palin), attack the opposing party.

 

[aps]

Oprah certainly has the right to do what she wants with her own show.

Personally speaking - she has lost me as a viewer, not that I was a big viewer anyway. It is no secret at all that she is an Obama worshipper given the fact that she followed him around like a wet puppy for a while. That's fine, that's her individual right. But, she alienates a huge portion of her viewers for her obvious bias. Again, if she has viewers and readers to just flush and throw away, more power to ya.

But with me, I'm done with her !!

I'm sure she won't miss your viewership. :roll:

 

[aps]

John, Maybe that's why you completely overreacted to my post ! Get a grip, will ya. This is not a personal attack, just a statement of fact. Anyone has the right to think and feel however they want. That's the beauty of this country. But I also have the God-given right to flip off the switch if I don't agree with what's being said !

Of course you do. The anger that you exude in a post about Oprah is an overreaction, IMO. You need to get a grip yourself before you tell someone else to.

 

[Pitwolfy]

aps
FYI - I'm not angry at all. You are though !!

What amazes me is that my humble OPINION enrages you.

 

[Truth Detector]

Hmmm... Palin is a lightweight and Oprah's a heavy hitter. Palin and Oprah on the same stage. I'd even tune in to Oprah just to see that. My prediction - Oprah will have Palin whipped in less than 10 minutes - hope they have something good planned for the rest of the show.

I'd happily take money on that bet. Palin would eat Oprah alive for the simple fact that Palin actually believes in what she is doing and saying, and Oprah just is another pathetic UBER RICH Liberal who thinks that people cannot do anything for themselves without a Government hand.

 

[Truth Detector]

You'd find that different if you lived in a non-union state.
You'd find a lot of conservative republicans in construction (or actually, on the unemployment line, bitching about how "Dem dam illeguls stole our jobs!").
Ignoring the fact that them damn illegals have their own tools, are more experienced in most cases, and show up to the job site each day, punctual and sober, in a button-down shirt and pressed trousers (even if they have to ride there eight of them packed into the back of a beat-to-**** old pickup truck), instead of stinking, hung-over, and stubble-faced with their hair pulled back in some grizzled old ponytail, wearing a wife-beater with tattoos, armpit hair, and beer-guts hanging out all over the place. Plus they're willing to work for less. Who the hell wouldn't prefer them?

.....because you say so. :rofl

 

[Truth Detector]

First, welcome to Debate Politics!

This is what the Republicans and Conservatives will do if there is even a hint of an attack on McCain and/or Palin--attack Obama! Their motto is that if you can't argue the facts (because the facts don't look good for McCain and/or Palin), attack the opposing party.

The only thing more laughable about your statements is the Democrats who claim that using the actual words of their candidates is a mean spirited personal attack.

Liberal idea of a personal attack: "I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities. I might add that in small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening."

Too damned funny, you just cant make up these kinds of hysterics and denial.
:rofl

 

[Truth Detector]

Of course you do. The anger that you exude in a post about Oprah is an overreaction, IMO. You need to get a grip yourself before you tell someone else to.

Anger she is exuding? Once again we have the absurd interpretations of a Liberal partisan hack attempting to impugn someone's rational comments to support their own irrational ones.

This is almost as fantastical as the arguments from Democrats that Palin’s speech was filled with personal attacks and lies.

I think you need to get a grip on reality before you start lecturing others.

Once again we have a Liberal who is backed into a corner with their own hysterics projecting their anguish onto others in a personal way; how profound.

 

[tryreading]

.....because you say so. :rofl

She's right. I see it in Florida. I run a small crew (4 guys) daily, and it consists of me, the only white guy, and a Guatamalan, a Mexican, a Honduran, and a Jamaican. This wasn't a crew make up I chose originally, I just hired whoever would apply regardless of race or origin, and seemed qualified. But these are the guys who come in every day, and do a decent job.

Now, these guys aren't illegal, they all have the proper paperwork to work in this country. One is now a citizen.

The white guys sucked. They didn't come in on every workday, were temperamental, said the weather was too hot, then cried when it got a little rainy. And, to a man, they either abused alcohol or drugs, which became obvious later.



Please understand, although the above may imply prejudice on my part, I am still willing to give a white guy a chance. There must be some good ones out there...

 

[Truth Detector]

She's right. I see it in Florida. I run a small crew (4 guys) daily, and it consists of me, the only white guy, and a Guatamalan, a Mexican, a Honduran, and a Jamaican. This wasn't a crew make up I chose originally, I just hired whoever would apply regardless of race or origin, and seemed qualified. But these are the guys who come in every day, and do a decent job.

Now, these guys aren't illegal, they all have the proper paperwork to work in this country. One is now a citizen.

The white guys sucked. They didn't come in on every workday, were temperamental, said the weather was too hot, then cried when it got a little rainy. And, to a man, they either abused alcohol or drugs, which became obvious later.



Please understand, although the above may imply prejudice on my part, I am still willing to give a white guy a chance. There must be some good ones out there...

I see a bunch of OVER generalizations in both of your comments. I built stores all over the Southeast in the early 80's. I never saw many immigrants working the crews.

When I went to the Northeast, I had to now deal with Unions. I will assure you that the union work didn't meet any better standards than the SE non-union work and the speed of construction on the non-union jobs was 1/2 the time.

I now live in California and most of the trades are Mexican/Hispanic in certain areas. But the electrician and plumbing trades are not immigrants by any stretch.

I appreciate the narrow viewpoint you both bring to the discussion. But last time I looked, this was about Oprah hosting Palin and not about what the composition of labor on construction projects are.

 

[aps]

aps
FYI - I'm not angry at all. You are though !!

What amazes me is that my humble OPINION enrages you.

Your opinion saddens me, Pitwolfy.....saddens me.

 

[Pitwolfy]

No aps, it doesn't sadden you. Your pissed because I make sense. And your attacking me because of my opinion of Oprah for pete's sake. An opinion I'm by-god entitled to. This is not the Socialist States of America yet so until then, stifle yourself.

:elephantf

 

[1069]

No aps, it doesn't sadden you. Your pissed because I make sense. And your attacking me because of my opinion of Oprah for pete's sake. An opinion I'm by-god entitled to. This is not the Socialist States of America yet so until then, stifle yourself.

:elephantf

That would be "you're". Not "your".

Sorry; most everything else, I can let slide, but that particular spelling faux pas grates on me like nails on a chalkboard.
Expect more correction if you start mixing up "there", "they're", and "their".

 

[Pitwolfy]

Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[aps]

No aps, it doesn't sadden you. Your pissed because I make sense. And your attacking me because of my opinion of Oprah for pete's sake. An opinion I'm by-god entitled to. This is not the Socialist States of America yet so until then, stifle yourself.

:elephantf

LOL You make sense? That's why I am saddened--because your initial post in this thread did not make sense to me. But if it makes you feel better to state such, be my guest. I don't know who you are by any means. Do I care? Nope. So glad that you think you can peg me when you have been here for an incredibly short amount of time.

Clearly I hit a nerve with you for you to react the way you have. :lol:

 

[aps]

Oprah certainly has the right to do what she wants with her own show.

Personally speaking - she has lost me as a viewer, not that I was a big viewer anyway. It is no secret at all that she is an Obama worshipper given the fact that she followed him around like a wet puppy for a while. That's fine, that's her individual right. But, she alienates a huge portion of her viewers for her obvious bias. Again, if she has viewers and readers to just flush and throw away, more power to ya.

But with me, I'm done with her !!

Let me see if I can articulate myself better. Read your post above. You call her an "Obama worshipper" and state that she was following Obama around like "a wet puppy." As a result, she has lost you as a viewer.

So Oprah being a human being and supporting a candidate for president has caused you to decide NOT to watch her show anymore--essentially boycott her show. That exudes anger in my eyes. One does not express what you expressed above and not have anger. It's one thing if you stated you didn't want to watch her anymore because you found her show boring. Rather, you assert that because she supported for Barack Obama--you're going to boycott her show. Anger, anger, anger, Pitwolfy.

To me, your post was not rational. It would be one thing if she was doing her show with an "Obama" sign in the background and she was STILL showing up at rallies for him. It's not like she had made her show about politics. Her show is about human beings, emotional connections, difficult experiences--things to which we can all relate.

I think what happened is she received multiple complaints about her support for Obama, so she decided that she would stop the face-time support and not use her show for political purposes. Think about how Oprah feels. This is the first time a black candidate has an opportunity to be President of the United States. That must be very exciting for a black woman. So she reacted enthusiastically and supported Barack Obama. I haven't seen or heard any support coming from her for months and months.

You write as though she is still touting her support for Barrack Obama. The fact that you're still this upset with her tells me you're angry. Plain and simple.

 

[Pitwolfy]

aps

I wonder if you would feel the same way if it were McCain or Palin she was supporting. If you think I'm alone in this, turn on Fox News and listen. I stated an opinion and that has rubbed you raw. Maybe you anger easily but don't project that onto me.

By the way, how long does one have to be in this forum to have an opinion ?
Thanks for the welcome.

 

[tryreading]

I see a bunch of OVER generalizations in both of your comments. I built stores all over the Southeast in the early 80's. I never saw many immigrants working the crews.

When I went to the Northeast, I had to now deal with Unions. I will assure you that the union work didn't meet any better standards than the SE non-union work and the speed of construction on the non-union jobs was 1/2 the time.

I now live in California and most of the trades are Mexican/Hispanic in certain areas. But the electrician and plumbing trades are not immigrants by any stretch.

I appreciate the narrow viewpoint you both bring to the discussion. But last time I looked, this was about Oprah hosting Palin and not about what the composition of labor on construction projects are.

I did generalize, and my information is anecdotal. And, obviously, I was being partly tongue in cheek.

But that's prettymuch what I see every day. That's what I experience. And, like I said, I'll hire anybody who seems qualified. They don't have to be a minority, or originally from another country, but like I said, the guys that stay, or based on work and behavior are allowed to stay, are the ones I told you about.

 

[American]

aps
FYI - I'm not angry at all. You are though !!

What amazes me is that my humble OPINION enrages you.

Yes, and you need to stop expressing it. :mrgreen:

 

[Harshaw]

I don't give a rat's patootie whom she has on her show, for whatever reason. Whether or not she takes a business hit is up to her customers. Free markets work.

 

[tryreading]

I don't give a rat's patootie whom she has on her show, for whatever reason. Whether or not she takes a business hit is up to her customers. Free markets work.

But, come on, isn't it funny that people are complaining Oprah won't host Sarah, but they are ignoring that the Republicans won't let anybody interview her right now?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

But, come on, isn't it funny that people are complaining Oprah won't host Sarah, but they are ignoring that the Republicans won't let anybody interview her right now?

Wrong.


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