Biden takes blame for Trump's win

[Allan]

I believe he was recovering from the flu, but most of America saw a weakened Biden against a strong Trump. I don't know how much it would have helped if he had been healthy since he still struggles at his age to show strength. Even before his age caught up with him, I never saw him as someone strong enough to be a world leader. I have been underwhelmed by the Democratic candidates overall since 2016. Bernie might have been okay, but I'd prefer they find some more moderate, younger candidates with modern ideas.

Hopefully there's an Obama or Bill Clinton in the pipeline somewhere.

 

[lynnwinslow]

As if Biden was actually leading. He just did what his handlers told him to do.

And here you are parroting what FOX angertainment channel told you ...

 

[MAGAnificent]

And here you are parroting what FOX angertainment channel told you ...

Common librul retort, however anyone who observed Biden during his debate with Trump, or observed his public appearances is well aware that he was not in charge, at least after the screw up in Afghanistan.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Hopefully there's an Obama or Bill Clinton in the pipeline somewhere.

The only viable presidential candidate in the democrat party stable at this point in time is probably Josh Shapiro. Not sure he is an Obama or Bill Clinton, however he can articulate policy, unlike Biden and Harris.

 

[lynnwinslow]

Common librul retort,

Truth hurts, eh?

however anyone who observed Biden during his debate with Trump, or observed his public appearances is well aware that he was not in charge,

An impaired Biden with a good team would be 200% better than the shit show we ended up with.

at least after the screw up in Afghanistan.

The death of the US servicemen was tragic but the US also successfully evacuated over 82,000 people from Afghanistan. Not a screw up.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Truth hurts, eh?

No, the truth feels great. Perhaps someday you will accept actual truth.

An impaired Biden with a good team would be 200% better than the shit show we ended up with.

Extreme TDS.

The death of the US servicemen was tragic but the US also successfully evacuated over 82,000 people from Afghanistan. Not a screw up.

It was absolutely a world class screw up. The blood of the death of those servicemen is on Bidens hands. And there is all that high tech miliary equipment at Bagram Air base that Biden left behind for the Taliban, that China now has access to.

 

[Metric Mouse]

That's not how Joe worded it but ok.

Of course not.

He is very confused.

And very, very confused why he wasn't supported to be the POTUS for a second term.

 

[Lovebug]

Of course not.

He is very confused.

And very, very confused why he wasn't supported to be the POTUS for a second term.

You should listen to what he had to say instead of repeating old news.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Think about it, Trump can literally do no wrong as far as the majority of U.S. voters are concerned. Also worth noting is the fact that this is all after he was convicted for crimes against the financial fraud laws of the United States! Who thinks that's a good CV for a Chief Executive?

Only a minority of Americans support Trump, according to all polling...

Why do you suggest different?

 

[Metric Mouse]

You should listen to what he had to say instead of repeating old news.

I did.

He says his presidency was successful, which is an opinion that is not shared by the vast majority of Americans, according to all polling data. He stated he would beat Trump - again, possible, but not supported by the vast number of Democrats who asked him to step aside or the voters who rejected his policies carried on by his VP.

He's in denial, and decline, and has been since before his disastrous debate.

We could have had a much better president if Joe had swallowed his delusion, accepted he was a transitional President and stepped aside two years before he did.

 

[Phys251]

Had Biden withdrew sometime in 2023 and let there be a normal democratic primary to choose his successor, things may have been different. I’m sure if that were so, Harris wouldn’t have been the democratic nominee. But even so, whoever the nominee would have been that nominee would have been fighting history and Trump. No sitting president has won reelection nor has his replacement won the election when the sitting president had an overall job approval of below 50%. The list:

1952 Truman 33%, his replacement Stevenson lost to Eisenhower

1968 LBJ 43%, his replacement Humphrey lost to Nixon

1976 Ford 45%, Ford lost reelection to Carter

1980 Carter 37%, Carter lost reelection to Reagan

1992 G.H.W. Bush 34%, Bush lost reelection to Bill Clinton

2008 G.W. Bush 28%, his replacement McCain lost to Obama

2020 Trump 43%, Trump lost reelection to Biden

2024 Biden 39%, his replacement Harris lost to Trump.

I think the republicans did the democrats a favor by running Trump. They should have won in a landslide instead of squeaking by. Biden’s numbers were very similar to Carter’s in 1980. Reagan won by 10 points, Trump by 1.5, Reagan received 489 electoral votes to Trump’s 312, Reagan carried 44 states, Trump 31. The republicans gained 35 house seats in 1980, the republicans with Trump lost 2 seats. The republicans gained 12 senate seats in 1980, the republicans gained 4 last year.

2024 was a year when a landslide akin to Reagan’s in 1980 should have happened, but didn’t. Which says a heck of a lot more about Trump than either Biden or Harris.

Or had the Bernie Bros not torpedoed Hillary's 2016 election, she could have served two terms, giving us an open primary in 2024.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Or had the Bernie Bros not torpedoed Hillary's 2016 election, she could have served two terms, giving us an open primary in 2024.

For sure.

Imagine if the Hillary voters had stepped aside, admitted they couldn't win, embraced the Bernie bros, and they all voted together!

Trump would have never been president. And we wouldn't have to keep fighting to resist him.

 

[Phys251]

For sure.

Imagine if the Hillary voters had stepped aside, admitted they couldn't win, embraced the Bernie bros, and they all voted together!

Trump would have never been president. And we wouldn't have to keep fighting to resist him.

^ Crazy talk.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Or had the Bernie Bros not torpedoed Hillary's 2016 election, she could have served two terms, giving us an open primary in 2024.

^ crazy talk...

 

[Metric Mouse]

^ Crazy talk.

And this is why Trump has been elected president, twice.

 

[Phys251]

^ crazy talk...

Nice copycatting. Too bad my claim can be verified.

Sanders–Trump voters - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And this is why Trump has been elected president, twice.

There were multiple reasons why tRump won. But I don't expect you to hold an honest debate about them.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Nice copycatting. Too bad my claim can be verified.

Sanders–Trump voters - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There were multiple reasons why tRump won. But I don't expect you to hold an honest debate about them.

If all Bernie voters and all Hillary voters had voted together for Bernie, Trump would never have been president.

I think that's a well established fact, isn't it?

 

[Phys251]

If all Bernie voters and all Hillary voters had voted together for Bernie, Trump would never have been president.

I think that's a well established fact, isn't it?

Yes, and Sanders wasn't the nominee. Hillary was. So my point stands.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Yes, and Sanders wasn't the nominee. Hillary was. So my point stands.

Yes, she should not have been. Or, she could have been the nominee and voters could still have voted for someone else.

Would have been great.

But they didn't. So she lost.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

A political leader who doesn't pass the buck. How refreshing.

Biden, on 'The View,' takes blame for Trump's win and rejects reports of cognitive decline

Former President Joe Biden and first lady Jill Biden joined ABC's "The View" on Thursday for their first joint interview since leaving the White House.

abcnews.go.com

Biden maintained he would have beaten Trump had he stayed in the race, but, when asked, said he accepted some blame for the election outcome because of voter concerns about border security and the cost of living during his tenure.

"I do, because, look, I was in charge and he won. So, you know, I take responsibility," the former president said.

Though Biden went on to criticize Trump's role in bringing down a bipartisan border bill and to tout the state of the economy at the end of his term, including investments made in infrastructure and health care that he said would boost the country's future.

I believe that Biden is a genuinely decent man however, he was at best, an average president during much of his term and was very much visibly slipping over the last year, and should’ve stepped aside much earlier than he did.

IMHO, the best thing for Biden to do at this point in his life is to step away from the public, granting only few light feel good, glory days type interviews.

 

[Phys251]

Yes, she should not have been. Or, she could have been the nominee and voters could still have voted for someone else.

Would have been great.

But they didn't. So she lost.

I have no idea what you're trying to say, so I'm going to just sit back and watch you try to say it.

 

[lynnwinslow]

No, the truth feels great. Perhaps someday you will accept actual truth.

Extreme TDS.

It was absolutely a world class screw up. The blood of the death of those servicemen is on Bidens hands. And there is all that high tech miliary equipment at Bagram Air base that Biden left behind for the Taliban, that China now has access to.

And here's how I can tell that your posts are just trolling for Trump. Besides the obvious tell of your user name.
You can't or won't acknowledge that Biden successfully evacuated 82 THOUSAND people. That's a fact.
I acknowledged the death of the servicemen but you won't give an inch.
You just keep posting what you were told by your angertainment news feed. It's weak "debating". I'm done.

 

[MAGAnificent]

And here's how I can tell that your posts are just trolling for Trump. Besides the obvious tell of your user name.
You can't or won't acknowledge that Biden successfully evacuated 82 THOUSAND people.

So much TDS. Biden did not evacuate anyone. The troops did. And Biden went against the advice of his military advisors in pulling out the way he did. When you evacuate, you first evacuate American civilians, workers, etc. And then transport equipment, munitions, and the troops. That evacuation was chaotic as hell. And Americans were left behind, some of them probably still there.

 

[beancounter]

Harris played a part in the failure...

 

[element94]

Only a minority of Americans support Trump, according to all polling...

Why do you suggest different?

Didn't matter, did it? I was talking about the recent presidential election, you know, the reason we are in this situation. Where were they in November?