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Biden set to announce support for major Supreme Court changes

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President Biden is finalizing plans to endorse major changes to the Supreme Court in the coming weeks, including proposals for legislation to establish term limits for the justices and an enforceable ethics code, according to two people briefed on the plans.

He is also weighing whether to call for a constitutional amendment to eliminate broad immunity for presidents and other constitutional officeholders, the people said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss private deliberations.
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While I'm quite sure that are liberal friends and neighbors on this board will be all in for these changes, and likely more drastic ones, I would suggest that these proposed changes show an inclination from the left to effectively nullify the Constitution and implement a system of government without checks and balances. We would, if the Democrats get their way, end up with a system where the political parties hold all the power and the people hold none.

At what point in our history did Democrats decide that everyone that isn't a Democrat is an enemy of the nation and must be kneecapped so that the Democrat party can maintain, consolidate and expand their power?
 
Lutherf said:
I would suggest that these proposed changes show an inclination from the left to effectively nullify the Constitution and implement a system of government without checks and balances.
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It seems that the Republican takeover of the court seeks to do just that. They want to remove proper checks on a criminal president and overturn any law that doesn’t suit the party. They want to rule over people’s private lives with religious zeal. The constitution is dead in Republican hands anyway.
 
uptower said:
It seems that the Republican takeover of the court seeks to do just that. They want to remove proper checks on a criminal president and overturn any law that doesn’t suit the party. They want to rule over people’s private lives with religious zeal. The constitution is dead in Republican hands anyway.
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He's just emoting.
 
Lutherf said:
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While I'm quite sure that are liberal friends and neighbors on this board will be all in for these changes, and likely more drastic ones, I would suggest that these proposed changes show an inclination from the left to effectively nullify the Constitution and implement a system of government without checks and balances. We would, if the Democrats get their way, end up with a system where the political parties hold all the power and the people hold none.

At what point in our history did Democrats decide that everyone that isn't a Democrat is an enemy of the nation and must be kneecapped so that the Democrat party can maintain, consolidate and expand their power?
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Strange.....apparently Biden wants absolute power where he gets everything he wants without any checks or balances. The Third Branch of our government.....who needs it, says Biden.
 
redbeer said:
Strange.....apparently Biden wants absolute power where he gets everything he wants without any checks or balances.
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I think he got that with Trump v United States. There must be some other reason for him to want an enforceable ethics code for the Supreme Court.
 
Bok Tuklo said:
I agree. Constitutional amendments, like adding new states, are a thing of the past.
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I agree, but would like to see civil asset forfeiture declared to be unconstitutional.

The irony of congress critters term limiting the POTUS (and perhaps the SCOTUS), yet not themselves is rich.
 
Lutherf said:
https://archive.is/HFdTP#selection-559.0-559.61


While I'm quite sure that are liberal friends and neighbors on this board will be all in for these changes, and likely more drastic ones, I would suggest that these proposed changes show an inclination from the left to effectively nullify the Constitution and implement a system of government without checks and balances. We would, if the Democrats get their way, end up with a system where the political parties hold all the power and the people hold none.

At what point in our history did Democrats decide that everyone that isn't a Democrat is an enemy of the nation and must be kneecapped so that the Democrat party can maintain, consolidate and expand their power?
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Sounds like something an authoritarian would want to do. Yeah it has to be done through Congress but if he had Congress he'd do it. Hey ... like a dictatorship.
 
Biden can propose legislation to Congress, however, this idea will not even get off the ground. Congress can not make legislation that is not in pursuance to the constitution, this action would have to be a Constitutional amendment.

There is this the issue of Article VI, section 2 that states: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

A Constitutional amendment would be need because of Article III, section1: The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The irony of congress critters term limiting the POTUS (and perhaps the SCOTUS), yet not themselves is rich.
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They will not term limit SCOTUS. Our national politics are too corrupt and decadent to course correct. This is just election year rhetoric from Biden. If he were serious, he would promise to expand and pack the Court and needed a Democratic Congress to do so.
 
redbeer said:
Strange.....apparently Biden wants absolute power where he gets everything he wants without any checks or balances. The Third Branch of our government.....who needs it, says Biden.
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Forgive me for a slight correction. It is not "Biden" who wants "absolute power." He is a mentally and physically declining sock-puppet for the Democrat "leadership" to manipulate. He gets the blame, they get what they want.

But the Democrats have frequently been floating the idea of an expanded SCOTUS since as far back at least as Franklin Roosevelt. This in order to get control over that "co-equal Branch" in order to push their ongoing agendas.

Funny though, during a period when SCOTUS was mostly made up of Southern Democrat appointees, we had Dred Scott and Separate but Equal decisions in favor of racist ideology.

That's the deal with Democrats. It's their way or change the rules to get their way.
 
You didn't have a problem with stacking SCOTUS with Federalist Society judges who lied their ass off about Roe to get on the bench, @Lutherf. You didn't have a problem anytime they threw out precedent that MAGA wanted thrown out. You thought an attempt to destroy the constitutional order and install Trump as Leader in Perpetuity was a "kegger".

But Biden voicing support for changing the Supreme Court so that it has to actually have ethics and term limits is an abomination? Why? 'Cause then the lying Federalist Society justices you like might have to stop taking bribes, and won't be on for ever?

Lutherf said:
I would suggest that these proposed changes show an inclination from the left to effectively nullify the Constitution and implement a system of government without checks and balances.
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Having ethics is nullifying the constitution? Having term limits is nullifying the constitution? But murdering a bunch of democrats and installing an election loser as Dear Leader .... isn't?


I'm starting to think that maybe these have all just been POE posts. You can't possibly be taking yourself seriously right now.
 
Mr Person said:
You didn't have a problem with stacking SCOTUS with Federalist Society judges who lied their ass off about Roe to get on the bench, @Lutherf. You didn't have a problem anytime they threw out precedent that MAGA wanted thrown out. You thought an attempt to destroy the constitutional order and install Trump as Leader in Perpetuity was a "kegger".

But Biden voicing support for changing the Supreme Court so that it has to actually have ethics and term limits is an abomination? Why? 'Cause then the lying Federalist Society justices you like might have to stop taking bribes, and won't be on for ever?
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*gratuities
 
Terryj said:
Biden can propose legislation to Congress, however, this idea will not even get off the ground. Congress can not make legislation that is not in pursuance to the constitution, this action would have to be a Constitutional amendment.

There is this the issue of Article VI, section 2 that states: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

A Constitutional amendment would be need because of Article III, section1: The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.
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Correct. Term limits would need a Constitutional amendment.

On the other hand ethics laws that apply to the court would not. Ethics laws applicable to the courts simply become part of the United States Code and therefore a basis for impeachment.

WW
 
Mr Person said:
You didn't have a problem with stacking SCOTUS with Federalist Society judges who lied their ass off about Roe to get on the bench, @Lutherf. You didn't have a problem anytime they threw out precedent that MAGA wanted thrown out. You thought an attempt to destroy the constitutional order and install Trump as Leader in Perpetuity was a "kegger".

But Biden voicing support for changing the Supreme Court so that it has to actually have ethics and term limits is an abomination? Why? 'Cause then the lying Federalist Society justices you like might have to stop taking bribes, and won't be on for ever?



Having ethics is nullifying the constitution? Having term limits is nullifying the constitution? But murdering a bunch of democrats and installing an election loser as Dear Leader .... isn't?


I'm starting to think that maybe these have all just been POE posts. You can't possibly be taking yourself seriously right now.
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With all due respect, precedent has been overturned by the Supreme Court before and, in several cases, SHOULD have been overturned.
 
Lutherf said:
https://archive.is/HFdTP#selection-559.0-559.61


While I'm quite sure that are liberal friends and neighbors on this board will be all in for these changes, and likely more drastic ones, I would suggest that these proposed changes show an inclination from the left to effectively nullify the Constitution and implement a system of government without checks and balances. We would, if the Democrats get their way, end up with a system where the political parties hold all the power and the people hold none.

At what point in our history did Democrats decide that everyone that isn't a Democrat is an enemy of the nation and must be kneecapped so that the Democrat party can maintain, consolidate and expand their power?
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While watching MAGAs parroting liberals is entertaining, doesn't do much and just shows your own hypocrisy, again.

That said, when you have court justices that engaged in future planning to bring down a 50 year precedent, before they even get the seat, scratch out an immunity for the most powerful person in our nation, and are caught on tape acknowledging they're bias, something needs to be done. SC's authority isn't the end word, they still work for the people of this nation and the majority of people in this nation have serious suspicion of the SC and think they need shorter terms, and some accountability.

It's simply not going to be as easy as treating the SC like our parents and calling it a day. That's not their job.
 
Lutherf said:
With all due respect, precedent has been overturned by the Supreme Court before and, in several cases, SHOULD have been overturned.
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Well, they've lost the support and trust of the majority of Americans. Can't say it's going to sit well, and Biden is suggesting only what the majority of people in this country has been asking for because that's his job.
 
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