Biden preemptively bollixes any Trump attempt to reestablish Schedule F

[EMNofSeattle]

Why don't you just defect to a country you would actually fit in at like Russia, Iran, or maybe North Korea?

So allowing the democratically elected president to fire government employees who take it on themselves to block his platform makes us like North Korea?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

After a rule making process that would last more than three years at minimum. Then separate rule making to reestablish Schedule F. Meaning by the time Trump could actually reestablish Schedule F, his four year term would be mostly exhausted.

But beyond that, very strong grounds for courts to uphold the new rules and block Trump from overturning them. The rules comport very nicely with the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978. Court challenges against Trump changes would likely be successful and in any event would run the clock out on Trump.

That’s who trump should fire them and literally lock them out of the offices and state no courts below the Supreme Court will be accepted for making rulings against him.

The constitution does not give courts any authority to countermand the president. Read article 3, it’s not in there

 

[BlueTex]

That’s who trump should fire them and literally lock them out of the offices and state no courts below the Supreme Court will be accepted for making rulings against him.

The constitution does not give courts any authority to countermand the president. Read article 3, it’s not in there

The constitution DOES give the legislature the power to determine how the executive branch conducts administrative law. Hence the Administrative Procedures Act.... Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out of the classroom...

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The constitution DOES give the legislature the power to determine how the executive branch conducts administrative law.

Only to the the extent it doesn’t restrict the powers of the president, whose powers can’t be modified by congress without constitutional amendment.

Congress can restrain the power of the bureaucracy, but not the president himself. The president can personally fire any federal employee period and congress or the courts can’t do anything about it.

Hence the Administrative Procedures Act.... Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out of the classroom...

The APA doesn’t ban the president from firing his employees

 

[NolanVoyd]

So allowing the democratically elected president to fire government employees who take it on themselves to block his platform makes us like North Korea?

Allowing him to purge government agencies of people not loyal to him is illegal, dictatorial, and unamerican.

The loyalty of civil cervants should always be to the constitution and the laws.......never to the president himself.

You really don't seem to understand this country at all.

 

[Safiel]

That’s who trump should fire them and literally lock them out of the offices and state no courts below the Supreme Court will be accepted for making rulings against him.

The constitution does not give courts any authority to countermand the president. Read article 3, it’s not in there

The Constitution, via Article I, empowers Congress to make the laws necessary for the Federal non-officer workforce. The President has great authority over principle and inferior officers. But he is restrained by the rules Congress made when dealing with non-officer employees (civil service). Congress has said that civil servants can be dismissed ONLY for just cause and the President MUST respect that.

 

[BlueTex]

Only to the the extent it doesn’t restrict the powers of the president, whose powers can’t be modified by congress without constitutional amendment.

Congress can restrain the power of the bureaucracy, but not the president himself. The president can personally fire any federal employee period and congress or the courts can’t do anything about it.

The APA doesn’t ban the president from firing his employees

Continue to live in your fantasy world.... In the REAL world that shit doesn't fly....

 

[Lovebug]

This should be worth some mid-range quality froth.

In all caps

 

[NolanVoyd]

The president can personally fire any federal employee period and congress or the courts can’t do anything about it.

That is false. Pure fiction.

Who tells you that nonsense?

 

[eman623]

So will the left finally stop whining about Trump becoming a dictator?

 

[BlueTex]

So will the left finally stop whining about Trump becoming a dictator?

Naw... We will just continue to laugh at the dumbasses who buy his bullshit...

 

[eman623]

Naw... We will just continue to laugh at the dumbasses who buy his bullshit...

Sounds fair. I fully intend to keep laughing at the TDS dumbasses who buy into the dictator bullshit.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Sounds fair. I fully intend to keep laughing at the TDS dumbasses who buy into the dictator bullshit.

Don't you listen to Trump's words?

 

[Opossum]

Biden Administration Finalizes Rule Preventing Federal Employees from Being Fired | National Review

Trump issued an executive order towards the end of his administration creating, “Schedule F,” an employment category that would make it easier to fire federal employees.

www.nationalreview.com

The new rule protects members of the civil service from being recategorized into a non-protected job category. While the President maintains the right to recategorize political appointees at will, civil servants are protected.

By the time that Trump, if reelected, could get this rule rolled back, time would likely run out on him before he could enact another Schedule F.

Yeah, that can just be removed.

 

[Hamish Howl]

So will the left finally stop whining about Trump becoming a dictator?

Nope.

You get nothing.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Sounds fair. I fully intend to keep laughing at the TDS dumbasses who buy into the dictator bullshit.

And I still laugh at Quislings.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

The president can personally fire any federal employee period and congress or the courts can’t do anything about it.

The APA doesn’t ban the president from firing his employees.

Wow. Just wow.
Federal employee? You mean like court clerks? Congressional aides? Capitol police? Congressmen? Senators?

So you're under the impression that everyone in the federal government is the personal employee of the president? And the president can fire anyone at anytime for anything or for nothing? And the courts can't do anything?

Does the name Andrew McCabe ring a bell? Let me refresh your memory:

McCabe, a frequent target of then-President Donald Trump’s ire, was fired in March 2018 after the Justice Department’s inspector general concluded he had authorized the release of information to a newspaper reporter and then misled internal investigators about his role in the leak. The termination by Jeff Sessions, the attorney general at the time, came hours before McCabe was due to retire, denying the FBI official his pension.

Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe has won back his full pension as part of a settlement of his lawsuit arising from his firing during the Trump administration more than three years ago, his lawyers announced Thursday.

The settlement agreement vacates [the decision to fire him] expunges from his personnel folder references to having been fired and entitles McCabe, who joined the FBI in 1996, to his full pension.

“Politics should never play a role in the fair administration of justice and civil service personnel decisions,” McCabe said in a statement. He added that he hopes “this result encourages the men and women of the FBI to continue to protect the American people by standing up for the truth and doing their jobs without fear of political retaliation.”

LINK

 

[multivita-man]

Biden Administration Finalizes Rule Preventing Federal Employees from Being Fired | National Review

Trump issued an executive order towards the end of his administration creating, “Schedule F,” an employment category that would make it easier to fire federal employees.

www.nationalreview.com

The new rule protects members of the civil service from being recategorized into a non-protected job category. While the President maintains the right to recategorize political appointees at will, civil servants are protected.

By the time that Trump, if reelected, could get this rule rolled back, time would likely run out on him before he could enact another Schedule F.

The rule is basically an official interpretation of existing statute and would likely be reinterpreted by an incoming Trump administration, but the good news is that any rule change would take time and would undoubtedly lead to legal challenges. So while it doesn't necessarily prevent a schedule F reclassification, it kind of gums things up a bit, legally speaking. A MAGA administration is still going to see what they can get away with, though.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Wow. Just wow.
Federal employee? You mean like court clerks?

No, those are employees of the Judiciary

Congressional aides?

No, those are employees of congress

Capitol police?

Employees of congress

Congressmen? Senators?

No those are constitutional officers

So you're under the impression that everyone in the federal government is the personal employee of the president?

In the executive branch

And the president can fire anyone at anytime for anything or for nothing?

Yea, thats called the spoils system and it was how government was run for most of our history.

And the courts can't do anything?

Does the name Andrew McCabe ring a bell? Let me refresh your memory:






LINK

Yeah, trump fired him and he never got back into his job.

 

[BirdinHand]

The president can personally fire any federal employee period and congress or the courts can’t do anything about it.

No.

 

[redbeer]

Biden Administration Finalizes Rule Preventing Federal Employees from Being Fired | National Review

Trump issued an executive order towards the end of his administration creating, “Schedule F,” an employment category that would make it easier to fire federal employees.

www.nationalreview.com

The new rule protects members of the civil service from being recategorized into a non-protected job category. While the President maintains the right to recategorize political appointees at will, civil servants are protected.

By the time that Trump, if reelected, could get this rule rolled back, time would likely run out on him before he could enact another Schedule F.

Looks like the swamp protecting the swamp......now they can be worthless pos and get away with it, lol. What a great government, we have, lol.......gee tks.

 

[BirdinHand]

Looks like the swamp protecting the swamp......now they can be worthless pos and get away with it, lol.

Why do you hold the strange belief that random federal employees that have worked in administrative functions for perhaps decades are “swamp”?

Do you think these people make significant policy?

What a great government, we have, lol.......gee tks.

Yes - the administrative staff that are doing their jobs behind the scenes every.single.day to keep the federal government running are “great government”.

 

[post]

Trump just needs to fire the workers anyway and have loyalists, maybe border patrol officers, physically lock them out of their government offices and seize any government computers and refuse to return them until the Supreme Court has ruled on their case

..Have loyalists destroy any pretense of proficiency and ability of government to carry out its actual responsibilities.

Coalition of 28 Labor Groups Urges Congress to Block Trump Order Creating Schedule F

Federal Worker Alliance sends a letter to Democratic appropriators urging them to include language in the next round of spending legislation to rescind President Trump’s executive order.

www.govexec.com

October 30, 2020
"A group of 28 federal employee and private sector labor unions on Thursday urged Democratic lawmakers to ensure that when Congress passes its n
ext spending package after the presidential election, it includes language to block President Trump’s controversial order that could strip tens of thousands of federal workers of their civil service protections.

Last week, President Trump signed an executive order establishing a new Schedule F within the excepted service for employees “in confidential, policy-determining, policy-making or policy-advocating positions” and instructing agencies to identify and transfer competitive service employees who meet that description into the new job classification. Employees moved into Schedule F would effectively become at-will employees, stripped of civil service protections.

In a letter to House Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Nita Lowey, D-N.Y., and Senate Appropriations Committee Ranking Member Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., the Federal Worker Alliance urged lawmakers to ensure that the text of a bill aimed at blocking the executive order be included in the next continuing resolution or full-year appropriations package.

“Despite the fact that we are just days away from the presidential election, President Trump signed [the executive order] last Wednesday intending to eviscerate the federal government’s merit system principles, open the door to the politicization of the federal workforce, strip hundreds of thousands of federal workers of their due process rights, and give agencies carte blanche to dismantle collective bargaining units,” the unions wrote. “Like all the other harmful policies undertaken by this administration undermining the federal workforce, this has been done so unilaterally and without the consent of Congress.”

 

[BirdinHand]

..Have loyalists destroy any pretense of proficiency and ability of government to carry out its actual responsibilities.

Because Janet in accounts receivable and David in benefits - that bring a combined 30 years of experience and institutional knowledge - didn’t take an oath of loyalty to the fuhrer, duh!

 

[post]

Because Janet in accounts receivable and David in benefits - that bring a combined 30 years of experience and institutional knowledge - didn’t take an oath of loyalty to the fuhrer, duh!

The posters on this forum who are both victims of Trump and totally convinced Trump is a victim resulting from his being, "for them," confirm why Biden in 2020 won
19 of the 20 highest educated state voting majorities and Trump won 17 of the 20 least educated state voting majorities.

An unprecedented PoS!


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