Biden on Images from Afghanistan of Packed Planes, People Falling: ‘That Was Four Days Ago, Five Days Ago’

[Taylor]

And we should absolutely work to get them out but stop pretending they don't have any responsibility for the position they are in...

Yeah! Who do those damn interpreters and school teachers think they are!

 

[ClaraD]

Yeah! Who do those damn interpreters and school teachers think they are!

Who aren't Americans...they are Afghanis....we are after all, talking about Americans....and yes, who do those Americans think they are....always expecting the government to come to their rescue in a war torn country...after they were told to leave....Afghanis are a different story...but I doubt you want 80,000 of them here....but that is absolutely what is going to happen and I am counting the seconds until you are howling about that from the mountaintops.

 

[Dans La Lune]

That's some pretty desperate deflection. Also untrue.

Which part? I can't find falsehoods. Are you saying that conservatives CARE about Afghans (LOL)? The money spent? Or Tucker Carlson's actual rhetoric?

Biden owned the exit.

Sure, and I'm waiting to see how Trump "helped" with the strategy through his negotiations with the Taliban.

 

[BlueTex]

Who aren't Americans...they are Afghanis....we are after all, talking about Americans....and yes, who do those Americans think they are....always expecting the government to come to their rescue in a war torn country...after they were told to leave....Afghanis are a different story...but I doubt you want 80,000 of them here....but that is absolutely what is going to happen and I am counting the seconds until you are howling about that from the mountaintops.

Quite the contrast from the Muslim ban days.... A cynical person might doubt their sincerity...

 

[Taylor]

Who aren't Americans...they are Afghanis....we are after all, talking about Americans....and yes, who do those Americans think they are....always expecting the government to come to their rescue in a war torn country...after they were told to leave....Afghanis are a different story...but I doubt you want 80,000 of them here....but that is absolutely what is going to happen and I am counting the seconds until you are howling about that from the mountaintops.

Yeah, they're all there on vacation! You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[jaypatriot]

They are no longer merely a guerilla group, they are now the de facto government of Afghanistan. As such, if we want to get anyone else out of that country, we'll have to negotiate it with the Taliban. That's just the way it is.

Can't deny that. But a formal treaty with that group?
More like we'll pay them to do our bidding. Maybe even give them weapons or train them on how to use them. Anything is possible if we want to get Americans back who are stranded in that country.
The Biden f***up should introduce all kinds of bizarre agreements.

 

[ClaraD]

Yeah, they're all there on vacation! You don't know what you're talking about.

Do you have evidence of what they were doing there? They weren't there as employees of the government....those have already been evacuated.

 

[ClaraD]

Can't deny that. But a formal treaty with that group?
More like we'll pay them to do our bidding. Maybe even give them weapons or train them on how to use them. Anything is possible if we want to get Americans back who are stranded in that country.
The Biden f***up should introduce all kinds of bizarre agreements.

You should have thought about that when you were celebrating Trump making a deal with the Taliban.

 

[jaypatriot]

Quite the contrast from the Muslim ban days.... A cynical person might doubt their sincerity...

That smacks of a complete reversal of Trump's denial of entry to the U.S. by Muslims.
What a campaign message for the next Democrat presidential candidate:
"I ALLOWED IN 80,000 DESPERATE MUSLIMS AFTER THE FALL OF THE COUNTRY WHEN TRUMP REFUSED TO ALLOW IN EVEN ONE IN 2020!"

 

[tres borrachos]

Can't deny that. But a formal treaty with that group?
More like we'll pay them to do our bidding. Maybe even give them weapons or train them on how to use them. Anything is possible if we want to get Americans back who are stranded in that country.
The Biden f***up should introduce all kinds of bizarre agreements.

So Trump negotiated payments to them in his deal?

 

[jaypatriot]

You should have thought about that when you were celebrating Trump making a deal with the Taliban.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda.

I never paid the slightest bit of attention to the Trump Administration cutting a deal with a terrorist group. It meant nothing except to maybe Biden who is using that as one of his excuses as to why he did not act sooner to prevent the biggest f***up in his presidency. And he's only be in for seven months!!

 

[ClaraD]

Shoulda, woulda, coulda.

I never paid the slightest bit of attention to the Trump Administration cutting a deal with a terrorist group. It meant nothing except to maybe Biden who is using that as one of his excuses as to why he did not act sooner to prevent the biggest f***up in his presidency. And he's only be in for seven months!!

It meant nothing to anyone? Are you sure about that? Is that why he subsequently lowered troops to 2500? Is that why the Taliban were salivating at the fact that Trump gave Afghanistan to them? Is that perhaps why Steve Miller was going on about how they weren't going to bring any damn refugees only soldiers...?

 

[jaypatriot]

So Trump negotiated payments to them in his deal?

It's what Biden will be doing but we may not know about it.
If Obama can pay hundreds of millions to Iran to free just four American hostages, imagine how much 10,000 trapped Americans can be worth to the Taliban.

Obama paid Iran $400 million ransom for American hostages: report​

Obama paid Iran $400 million ransom for American hostages: report

The Obama administration secretly airlifted $400 million in cash to Iran in January at the same time Tehran was releasing four jailed Americans, payment that a top congressional Republican is calling “ransom.”

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[ClaraD]

It's what Biden will be doing but we may not know about it.
If Obama can pay hundreds of millions to Iran to free just four American hostages, imagine how much 10,000 trapped Americans can be worth to the Taliban.

Obama paid Iran $400 million ransom for American hostages: report​

Obama paid Iran $400 million ransom for American hostages: report

The Obama administration secretly airlifted $400 million in cash to Iran in January at the same time Tehran was releasing four jailed Americans, payment that a top congressional Republican is calling “ransom.”

www.washingtontimes.com

Not as much as their country is worth to them....Did you ask about what Reagan paid for the Iranian hostages? Also, we didn't pay a ransom to anyone under Obama....we gave them THIER money back....if we hadn't a court was going to order us to do so....and it was going to cost a lot more than 400 million...

Obama Bribed Iran $400 Million to Release U.S. Prisoners?

Rumors and accusations flew about a January 2016 payout to Iran, which coincided with a carefully negotiated prisoner exchange.

www.snopes.com

 

[jaypatriot]

Biden claims to the world: AMERICA IS BACK!!
And now every country threatened by Iran, Russia, or China is going to have second thoughts about putting their faith in a president who has no idea how to free 10,000 Americans trapped in a country controlled by 65,000 guerilla warriors.

Afghanistan debacle will make US courtship of Southeast Asia all the more difficult​

Despite the recent flurry of diplomatic activity, Vice-President Kamala Harris will have a tough job reassuring allies of US resolve to provide leadership when she visits the region this month, amid the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan


Manik Mehta


Published: 9:15am, 19 Aug, 2021

Updated: 9:15am, 19 Aug, 2021

Opinion | Afghanistan debacle will make US courtship of Southeast Asia even harder

Despite the recent flurry of diplomatic activity, Vice-President Kamala Harris will have a tough job reassuring allies of US resolve to provide leadership when she visits the region this month, amid the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan.

www.scmp.com

 

[dcsports]

no one ever said that Afghanistan was going to be stable...except Trump perhaps...no one believed that and no one would believe that. Even Biden didn't say that it was stable...he expected the Taliban to overrun the Afghani government....just not as quickly as they did.

Well, there was this guy....

Remarks by President Biden on the Drawdown of U.S. Forces in Afghanistan | The White House

East Room 2:09 P.M. EDTTHE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Earlier today, I was briefed by our senior military and national security leaders on the status

www.whitehouse.gov

We provided our Afghan partners with all the tools — let me emphasize: all the tools, training, and equipment of any modern military. We provided advanced weaponry. And we’re going to continue to provide funding and equipment. And we’ll ensure they have the capacity to maintain their air force.

But most critically, as I stressed in my meeting just two weeks ago with President Ghani and Chairman Abdullah, Afghan leaders have to come together and drive toward a future that the Afghan people want and they deserve.

In our meeting, I also assured Ghani that U.S. support for the people of Afghanistan will endure. We will continue to provide civilian and humanitarian assistance, including speaking out for the rights of women and girls.

We’re also going to continue to make sure that we take on the Afghan nationals who work side-by-side with U.S. forces, including interpreters and translators — since we’re no longer going to have military there after this; we’re not going to need them and they have no jobs — who are also going to be vital to our efforts so they — and they’ve been very vital — and so their families are not exposed to danger as well.

....

But our message to those women and men is clear: There is a home for you in the United States if you so choose, and we will stand with you just as you stood with us.

Q Is a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan now inevitable? THE PRESIDENT: No, it is not.

Q Why? THE PRESIDENT: Because you — the Afghan troops have 300,000 well-equipped — as well-equipped as any army in the world — and an air force against something like 75,000 Taliban. It is not inevitable.

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So the question now is, where do they go from here? That — the jury is still out. But the likelihood there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely.

 

[ClaraD]

Well, there was this guy....

Remarks by President Biden on the Drawdown of U.S. Forces in Afghanistan | The White House

East Room 2:09 P.M. EDTTHE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Earlier today, I was briefed by our senior military and national security leaders on the status

www.whitehouse.gov

they were well equipped...I can give you billions of dollars of equipment and the most elite training in the world....but it is up to you to fight...not anyone else.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Then negotiate a new treaty, this time with the new government of Afghanistan.

Isn't that the Taliban?

 

[Carl Young]

Why are they still there Carl? Why are they there in the first place? EVERYONE knows that Afghanistan is a war zone..it doesn't take the brightest bulb to understand leave now, means leave now.

Apparent;y Biden didn't know it was a war zone, otherwise he would have sent the 6,000 troops and secured both airports before unilaterally starting a retreat.

Many Americans, and thousanfs of others, volunteered to help in Afghanistan and augment the other forces there. These people have now been abandoned and you ask,"Why are they still there Carl?" They have been abandoned! They did not know, as did their Allies, that this was going to happen.

Many Americans are insulated from much of the external media, they restrict themselves as to what they will read or watch, but the word outside is never to trust the Americans again. They are weak and untrustworthy and that is certainly true in this case.

This may be good in the longer term because the other democracies have become too dependent on America anyway. Better start wearing a Canadian flag on your luggage if you plan on travelling overseas though.
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[Carl Young]

they were well equipped...I can give you billions of dollars of equipment and the most elite training in the world....but it is up to you to fight...not anyone else.

It was always more about culture that weaponry and too many people don't get that.

 

[GummyVitamins]

Then why didn't President Trump spend the next year after negotiating his withdrawal agreement getting them out of there? Too lazy? Too incompetent? He had to leave it to the old man to figure out how to do it. Trump had one year to accomplish it. He did nothing.

I don't see how we can blame Trump for Biden's actions. Trump had security forces in place for our people in Afghanistan. They were providing air support for Afghani troops which acted as a strong deterrent to prevent the Taliban from taking over. The Afghani military was strong enough with our air support to retain power. Biden is the one who shut that off and brought our military resources home before getting our people home safely.

 

[GummyVitamins]

Oh, so you were fine leaving them behind otherwise hoping the Taliban never succeeded in taking over the country...

I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but I'm pretty sure you're building a very large straw man in an effort to validate your indefensible position.

 

[GummyVitamins]

Those aren't Americans. You do know that, right?

You assume none of them are American because they're brown? Also, we have people in Afghanistan who don't have an American citizenship who were promised safety and security if they helped us. The people flooding to the airport in Kabul trying to get out are a combination of both.

 

[Carl Young]

Then negotiate a new treaty, this time with the new government of Afghanistan.

Why would the Taliban negotiate a new treaty when they've already won? They'll be swearing in the new government on September 11, with Islamists cheering cheering all over the world. Did the Biden Administration not see this coming? The timing suggests they did.

Islamists will be celebrating the 20th Anniversary of September 11 as well as the defeat of America and it's Allies.

 

[GummyVitamins]

that is false...every single American was notified to leave the country and had been advised to do so since July of this year...

Biden said the evacuation would be secure and orderly and that the Taliban wouldn't be taking over the country. He was wrong on all accounts.