Biden mucked it up.....

[watsup]

Here is what should have happened: pretty much anybody could have foreseen the manner in which the Taliban quickly took over, and Biden should have had “freedom flights” for the Afghanistanis who worked with Americans going for TWO OR THREE MONTHS in order to move tens of thousands out of harms way instead of waiting until almost the very last minute. There is no way that so many of them can now get to the airport and they will be left to the “mercies” (not!) of the Taliban. Biden mucked it up good and there is no way that he can begin to explain that.

 

[brothern]

Here is what should have happened: pretty much anybody could have foreseen the manner in which the Taliban quickly took over, and Biden should have had “freedom flights” for the Afghanistanis who worked with Americans going for TWO OR THREE MONTHS in order to move tens of thousands out of harms way instead of waiting until almost the very last minute. There is no way that so many of them can now get to the airport and they will be left to the “mercies” (not!) of the Taliban. Biden mucked it up good and there is no way that he can begin to explain that.

Biden addressed it in the speech.

First, the Afghanistan government refused to permit or allow the US military to begin large scale evacuations. Their argument was that the evacuation would cause a panic and tip the odds to the Taliban even further than what they were already.

Second, a number of SIV eligible Afghans simply refused to leave.

 

[watsup]

Biden addressed it in the speech.

First, the Afghanistan government refused to permit or allow the US military to begin large scale evacuations. Their argument was that the evacuation would cause a panic and tip the odds to the Taliban even further than what they were already.

Second, a number of SIV eligible Afghans simply refused to leave.

Let’s hope he was telling the truth, because if he wasn’t, we will learn it soon enough. I feel so sad for what the women and girls of the nation will have to go through now.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Here is what should have happened: pretty much anybody could have foreseen the manner in which the Taliban quickly took over, and Biden should have had “freedom flights” for the Afghanistanis who worked with Americans going for TWO OR THREE MONTHS in order to move tens of thousands out of harms way instead of waiting until almost the very last minute. There is no way that so many of them can now get to the airport and they will be left to the “mercies” (not!) of the Taliban. Biden mucked it up good and there is no way that he can begin to explain that.

Poor planning.

 

[jnug]

Biden addressed it in the speech.

First, the Afghanistan government refused to permit or allow the US military to begin large scale evacuations. Their argument was that the evacuation would cause a panic and tip the odds to the Taliban even further than what they were already.

Second, a number of SIV eligible Afghans simply refused to leave.

Trying to delve into the mind of the Afghani would appear a difficult task for a westerner like us.

Ghani turned out to be a carpetbagging, yellow prick and I think we would have been wise to have simply not paid any attention to him. As for SIV eligible Afghani's I guess I can believe some would not leave. I mean that country has been pushed pulled, this way and that way by major powers for a century at least and while it has made them super transactional IMO, many appear unwilling to leave.

 

[Jkca1]

Poor planning.

That's the understatement of the month.

 

[watsup]

Trying to delve into the mind of the Afghani would appear a difficult task for a westerner like us.

Ghani turned out to be a carpetbagging, yellow prick and I think we would have been wise to have simply not paid any attention to him. As for SIV eligible Afghani's I guess I can believe some would not leave. I mean that country has been pushed pulled, this way and that way by major powers for a century at least and while it has made them super transactional IMO, many appear unwilling to leave.

Maybe. I’ll believe that they didn’t want to leave when I hear it directly from them, not from someone making excuses for a potential huge mistake.

 

[NatMorton]

Biden addressed it in the speech.

First, the Afghanistan government refused to permit or allow the US military to begin large scale evacuations. Their argument was that the evacuation would cause a panic and tip the odds to the Taliban even further than what they were already.

Second, a number of SIV eligible Afghans simply refused to leave.

First his hands were tied by Trump's agreement (as if Biden has had problems effecting change to Trump policy since January). Now he's implying we would have done more had the Afghans allowed us to.

Good Lord, this is shaping up to be a remarkably cowardly abdication of accountability.

 

[brothern]

Trying to delve into the mind of the Afghani would appear a difficult task for a westerner like us.

Afghan. "Afghani" is the name of currency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_afghani

As for SIV eligible Afghani's I guess I can believe some would not leave.

It's not that surprising. How many people are asking for a vaccine while dying in a hospital of COVID, because they were too unwilling to inconvenience themselves for a half hour appointment and a slight discomfort from the needle?

That's a pittance compared to what's happening in Afghanistan. Here the ask is for someone to uproot their entire life forever. To give up their job, their friends, their extended family, their house, all of their material belongings ... to jump on a plane to some place they don't get to choose that is halfway across the world?

So, it absolutely doesn't surprise me that there's be loads of people who'd delay and procrastinate on that decision until it's too late.

 

[watsup]

Afghan. "Afghani" is the name of currency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_afghani



It's not that surprising. How many people are asking for a vaccine while dying in a hospital of COVID, because they were too unwilling to inconvenience themselves for a half hour appointment?

That's a pittance compared to what's happening in Afghanistan. Here the ask is for someone to uproot their entire life forever. To give up their job, their friends, their extended family, their house, all of their material belongings ... to jump on a plane to some place they don't get to choose that is halfway across the world?

So, it absolutely doesn't surprise me that there's be loads of people who'd delay and procrastinate on that decision until it's too late.

I am still willing to lay heavy odds that way way more wanted to get out but didn’t because Biden scheduled the freedom flights too late then those who “wanted” to stay. As for the Afghan government putting up a roadblock to that, perhaps. We’ll see.

 

[Chomsky]

Here is what should have happened: pretty much anybody could have foreseen the manner in which the Taliban quickly took over, and Biden should have had “freedom flights” for the Afghanistanis who worked with Americans going for TWO OR THREE MONTHS in order to move tens of thousands out of harms way instead of waiting until almost the very last minute.

if you did that, you would have tipped-off the Taliban

There is no way that so many of them can now get to the airport and they will be left to the “mercies” (not!) of the Taliban. Biden mucked it up good and there is no way that he can begin to explain that.

Yeah, but now we can assist as we want, or simply leave it be if it gets ugly.

Regardless, we have ended or occupation, and now are merely providing Afghani evacuation assistance. That's a huge change, and quite honestly this may be all part of a deal. The fix may have been in, for all we know? Look at the fast peaceful transition of power., that just took place.

 

[Chomsky]

Afghan. "Afghani" is the name of currency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_afghani



It's not that surprising. How many people are asking for a vaccine while dying in a hospital of COVID, because they were too unwilling to inconvenience themselves for a half hour appointment and a slight discomfort from the needle?

That's a pittance compared to what's happening in Afghanistan. Here the ask is for someone to uproot their entire life forever. To give up their job, their friends, their extended family, their house, all of their material belongings ... to jump on a plane to some place they don't get to choose that is halfway across the world?

So, it absolutely doesn't surprise me that there's be loads of people who'd delay and procrastinate on that decision until it's too late.

Damn! Great correction. You got me, too. Thanks!

Which term is correct — "Afghan" or "Afghani"?

I was talking with a friend who told me that Afghani is an offensive term for someone from Afghanistan, and that I should use Afghan instead. Is Afghani actually an offensive term?

english.stackexchange.com

 

[brothern]

Good Lord, this is shaping up to be a remarkably cowardly abdication of accountability.

What abdication? The man got on national television and literally said word-for-word, "I stand squarely behind my decision," and then a couple minutes later said that he does not regret it even despite the facts on the ground.

 

[jnug]

First his hands were tied by Trump's agreement (as if Biden has had problems effecting change to Trump policy since January). Now he's implying we would have done more had the Afghans allowed us to.

Good Lord, this is shaping up to be a remarkably cowardly abdication of accountability.

Really...other than rejoining the Paris Climate Accord has Biden reversed any other International agreement Trump signed onto with any nation or non-nation state or any group of then? That would be news to me.

 

[Da Mole]

Biden addressed it in the speech.

First, the Afghanistan government refused to permit or allow the US military to begin large scale evacuations. Their argument was that the evacuation would cause a panic and tip the odds to the Taliban even further than what they were already.

Second, a number of SIV eligible Afghans simply refused to leave.

Give me a break. Biden should have and Trump would have told the Afghan govt that these were his people and he was obligated to protect them. because Trump has a spine he would have told them to go to hell. Evaacuation of my people tarts when i say so.

 

[NatMorton]

What abdication? The man got on national television and literally said word-for-word, "I stand squarely behind my decision," and then a couple minutes later said that he does not regret it even despite the facts on the ground.

And in others statements blaming Trump and blaming the Afghanis.

Which statements should we believe are how he feels about it?

 

[jnug]

Give me a break. Biden should have and Trump would have told the Afghan govt that these were his people and he was obligated to protect them. because Trump has a spine he would have told them to go to hell. Evaacuation of my people tarts when i say so.

Trump would have done it at that time and that place. You know this HOW? Donnie does not know what he is going to do 5 minutes before he does it.

 

[jnug]

Afghan. "Afghani" is the name of currency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_afghani



It's not that surprising. How many people are asking for a vaccine while dying in a hospital of COVID, because they were too unwilling to inconvenience themselves for a half hour appointment and a slight discomfort from the needle?

That's a pittance compared to what's happening in Afghanistan. Here the ask is for someone to uproot their entire life forever. To give up their job, their friends, their extended family, their house, all of their material belongings ... to jump on a plane to some place they don't get to choose that is halfway across the world?

So, it absolutely doesn't surprise me that there's be loads of people who'd delay and procrastinate on that decision until it's too late.

Does not surprise me either.

 

[NatMorton]

Really...other than rejoining the Paris Climate Accord has Biden reversed any other International agreement Trump signed onto with any nation or non-nation state or any group of then? That would be news to me.

Thank you for reminding us of a real world example of how Biden can change Trump foreign policy when he believes it's the right thing to do. (And thank you for, consequently, helping prove my point that blaming the Trump agreement in this matter was complete BS.)

 

[MAGAnificent]

Here is what should have happened: pretty much anybody could have foreseen the manner in which the Taliban quickly took over, and Biden should have had “freedom flights” for the Afghanistanis who worked with Americans going for TWO OR THREE MONTHS in order to move tens of thousands out of harms way instead of waiting until almost the very last minute. There is no way that so many of them can now get to the airport and they will be left to the “mercies” (not!) of the Taliban. Biden mucked it up good and there is no way that he can begin to explain that.

This is the first time Wassup has posted anything I agree with.

 

[Da Mole]

Trump would have done it at that time and that place. You know this HOW? Donnie does not know what he is going to do 5 minutes before he does it.

But in these 5 minutes he would have been doing the right thing.

 

[lwf]

First his hands were tied by Trump's agreement (as if Biden has had problems effecting change to Trump policy since January). Now he's implying we would have done more had the Afghans allowed us to.

Good Lord, this is shaping up to be a remarkably cowardly abdication of accountability.

Aren't we all long used to endless cowardly displays of presidential abdication of accountability by now? The bar is so low at this point that who cares what Biden does? He's still better than the other guy.

 

[jnug]

But in these 5 minutes he would have been doing the right thing.

Yup Trump's gut would have told him the right thing. Of course that changes if he has a Big Mac vs a Whooper.

 

[watsup]

Thank you for reminding us of a real world example of how Biden can change Trump foreign policy when he believes it's the right thing to do. (And thank you for, consequently, helping prove my point that blaming the Trump agreement in this matter was complete BS.)

What we do know is this: Trump wanted out, and he was willing to do so quite summarily. Who knows how that would have gone if the generals had not talked him out of it.

 

[NatMorton]

Trump would have done it at that time and that place. You know this HOW? Donnie does not know what he is going to do 5 minutes before he does it.

Any speculation that Trump would have made a worse mess of this does not absolve Biden from actually making a mess of this.