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Biden is unveiling the American Climate Corps, a program with echoes of the New Deal

I spent a relaxed eight hours travelling from Devon to Scotland by train (400 miles), reading, eating, drinking at the bar and enjoying the passing view. I took a bus from my home to the station, free, using my pensioner's pass. Couldn't think of a nicer way to travel. But I accept how vast America is, and how many in rural parts have no option but to use cars and trucks. I used to ride horses and, given the opportunity, would love to have ridden to work. I could do the journey faster than by bus!

As you say there can for example be those who live in rural areas and others who need a cars both in the USA and Europe. While at the same time it have often been active political decisions that have both increased and reduced car dependeny.



More and more cities nows sees the benefite of reducing car dependency by investing in public transport, cycling and walkable cities.

 
Again, I asked if there is ANY evidence that would disprove the theory of AGW?

Stop dodging Snake.
Not that I am aware of. How about you; got any reputable sources contradicting the evidence for AGW-which, by the way, is not theory but fact, accepted by the vast majority within the science community.
 
I could totally dig having trains with sleeper cabins for longer trips. A business traveler could stay aboard the train for the night instead of using a plane and a hotel. Arrive refreshed, having showered and been fed, ready for business. Conduct the business using local transport or car rental, then back the train station and another overnight to get home. As opposed to the airline routine and two stays in a hotel and a morning flight back.
Check this, on my bucket list:
 
Hmm… yet you complain about making suppositions.

I apologize for using language which confused you. NPR definitely did not deep dive anything. They announced the fudging program yesterday.

There. No supposing required. Just a knowledge of how time works.
 
Do you believe Republicans like Trump and Jim Inhofe have been part of that "cult"?



That the federal climate research program have been ongoing for many decades, so they and other Republicans politicans could have easily stopped that program if it wasn't any evidence. Instead is the evidence for reducing C02 emission so overwhelming that this report was published during Trump's presidency.

"The impacts of climate change are already being felt in communities across the country. More frequent and intense extreme weather and climate-related events, as well as changes in average climate conditions, are expected to continue to damage infrastructure, ecosystems, and social systems that provide essential benefits to communities. Future climate change is expected to further disrupt many areas of life, exacerbating existing challenges to prosperity posed by aging and deteriorating infrastructure, stressed ecosystems, and economic inequality. Impacts within and across regions will not be distributed equally. People who are already vulnerable, including lower-income and other marginalized communities, have lower capacity to prepare for and cope with extreme weather and climate-related events and are expected to experience greater impacts. Prioritizing adaptation actions for the most vulnerable populations would contribute to a more equitable future within and across communities. Global action to significantly cut greenhouse gas emissions can substantially reduce climate-related risks and increase opportunities for these populations in the longer term.

In the absence of significant global mitigation action and regional adaptation efforts, rising temperatures, sea level rise, and changes in extreme events are expected to increasingly disrupt and damage critical infrastructure and property, labor productivity, and the vitality of our communities. Regional economies and industries that depend on natural resources and favorable climate conditions, such as agriculture, tourism, and fisheries, are vulnerable to the growing impacts of climate change. Rising temperatures are projected to reduce the efficiency of power generation while increasing energy demands, resulting in higher electricity costs. The impacts of climate change beyond our borders are expected to increasingly affect our trade and economy, including import and export prices and U.S. businesses with overseas operations and supply chains. Some aspects of our economy may see slight near-term improvements in a modestly warmer world. However, the continued warming that is projected to occur without substantial and sustained reductions in global greenhouse gas emissions is expected to cause substantial net damage to the U.S. economy throughout this century, especially in the absence of increased adaptation efforts. With continued growth in emissions at historic rates, annual losses in some economic sectors are projected to reach hundreds of billions of dollars by the end of the century—more than the current gross domestic product (GDP) of many U.S. states."


Doomsday leftwing cult nonsense.

In order to indoctrinate people, rule number one, and above all is to instill FEAR into them.

If and when that doesn't work, you then make them feel guilty. Original sin, CRT, DEI, and sacrifices are needed to receive absolution for the sins of our fathers.
 
More Democrat voters and climate change nazis.

To be clear, the End Game of Climate Change Nazis is clean water, clean air, a comfortable habitat to live in, and energy sources which do not rely upon the Middle East.

It is amazing we let these monsters run around.

I think you are right that it has a solid chance of creating more Democrat voters, though. Imagine doing something that makes people want to vote for you as opposed to having nine hearing on Hunter Biden's dick.
 
The cult of climate alarmism just keeps growing and growing, along with federal spending on this nonsense.

Not the job of the federal government to "create" jobs.

The de-growth movement continues unabated.
You have the right to hide your head in the sand. You don't have the right to force anyone else to do that.
 
To be clear, the End Game of Climate Change Nazis is clean water, clean air, a comfortable habitat to live in, and energy sources which do not rely upon the Middle East.

It is amazing we let these monsters run around.

I think you are right that it has a solid chance of creating more Democrat voters, though. Imagine doing something that makes people want to vote for you as opposed to having nine hearing on Hunter Biden's dick.
Let me change your post to how a Christian evangelical would say what you said.

To be clear, the End Game of Climate Change Nazis God believers is clean water, clean air, a comfortable habitat to live in, and energy sources which do not rely upon the Middle East.

It is amazing we let these monsters believers run around. Believers are good and holy and non believers deny God.

I think you are right that it has a solid chance of creating more Democrat voters Christian converts, though. Imagine doing something that makes people want to vote for you be in your cult as opposed to having nine hearing on Hunter Biden's dick. being a sinner.

Repent ye sinners! The end is nigh!
 
Not that I am aware of. How about you; got any reputable sources contradicting the evidence for AGW-which, by the way, is not theory but fact, accepted by the vast majority within the science community.
Again; Is there any data that WOULD disprove the theory of AGW?

If you cannot falsify the theory, it is meaningless.
 
Another dodge of the question....

Again, I asked if there is ANY evidence that would disprove the theory of AGW?

I am not answering that question because it's pointless. I am not looking to disprove global warming. I am already convinced global warming is happening. I see no point in searching for evidence that it's not. I am way way past that. My view is we need to get organized and coordinate efforts to deal with it.

This plan of President Biden's gets my total support and approval.

Way to go, Joe!
 
Which is why no one is suggesting doing any such thing.

CO2 is NOT a "pollutant"!

Who cares what word we use to describe it? Get too much of it in the atmosphere and we get bad consequences.

Humans are hurting the future of humanity with selfishness.

We have to reverse the build up and reduce CO2.

It's already costing us a lot of money. The longer it takes us to deal with it, the more it is going to cost in $ and lives.

But the good part is it does forces us to live in a more sustainable and efficient way.
 
The problem is, the ideas you, Marx and others promote will not accomplish what you THINK they will accomplish as they do not comport with human nature.

Seems like they are already successful in Europe, Australia, and other places...

It's not like the USA is the only place to learn what works or not. We can certainly look at other places that have tried something we are proposing.
 
I am not answering that question because it's pointless. I am not looking to disprove global warming. I am already convinced global warming is happening. I see no point in searching for evidence that it's not. I am way way past that. My view is we need to get organized and coordinate efforts to deal with it.

This plan of President Biden's gets my total support and approval.

Way to go, Joe!
I don't think Biden can hire 20,000 workers with a simple executive order and the Republicans need to fight this tooth and nail. We don't need another multi-billion dollar agency employing loyal brown-shirt Democrats who will vote 100% Democrat. This must STOP!
 
A post would be too long to rebut this hyper]bolic nonsense. IF all the glaciers melted the sea level rise may be a few inches to a few feet. There just aren't that many homes built that close to the edge of the water to be of much consequence. The only thing ALARMING is the hyperbole and scare tactics befitting of evangelical Christians that I posted about earlier. This is a CULT! A doomsday CULT!

Not that many homes? Not much consequence? Wrong. There are billions of dollars of infrastructure threatened by sea level rise. It would break the insurance industry. That threatens the security of every home and business loan and mortgage in America.

This is no imaginary threat. We have to deal with this. The consequences are dire.

Thwaites Glacier could raise sea level by ten feet.
 
"Thwaites is also acting like a natural dam to the surrounding ice in West Antarctica, and scientists have estimated global sea level could ultimately rise around 10 feet if the Thwaites collapsed."

"The scientists were also surprised by a second finding. They discovered an underwater glacial landscape much more complex than expected, dominated by strange staircaselike terraces and crevasses – big cracks going all the way through the ice shelf.

Melting was particularly rapid in these areas, the research team found. Warm, salty water was able to funnel through and widen cracks and crevasses, contributing to instabilities in the glacier.

“The glacier is not just melting up, but it’s melting out,” Schmidt said.

Melting along the sloped ice of the cracks and terraces “may become the primary trigger for ice shelf collapse,” according to the studies’ authors."

Thwaites Glacier release could raise sea level by ten feet
 
"Thwaites is also acting like a natural dam to the surrounding ice in West Antarctica, and scientists have estimated global sea level could ultimately rise around 10 feet if the Thwaites collapsed."

"The scientists were also surprised by a second finding. They discovered an underwater glacial landscape much more complex than expected, dominated by strange staircaselike terraces and crevasses – big cracks going all the way through the ice shelf.

Melting was particularly rapid in these areas, the research team found. Warm, salty water was able to funnel through and widen cracks and crevasses, contributing to instabilities in the glacier.

“The glacier is not just melting up, but it’s melting out,” Schmidt said.

Melting along the sloped ice of the cracks and terraces “may become the primary trigger for ice shelf collapse,” according to the studies’ authors."

Thwaites Glacier release could raise sea level by ten feet
Just another in a series of incorrect predictions. How people can believe this nonsense when nearly all predictions are incorrect is puzzling.

The hits keep on coming!


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18 Spectacularly Wrong Predictions Were Made Around the Time of the First Earth Day in 1970, Expect More This Year​

By Mark J. Perry
April 21, 2022

Here are 18 examples of the spectacularly wrong predictions made around 1970 when the “green holy day” (aka Earth Day) started:


1. Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that “civilization will end within 15 or 30 years [by 1985 or 2000] unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”


2. “We are in an environmental crisis that threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation,” wrote Washington University biologist Barry Commoner in the Earth Day issue of the scholarly journal Environment.


3. The day after the first Earth Day, the New York Times editorial page warned, “Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.”


4. “Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make,” Paul Ehrlich confidently declared in the April 1970 issue of Mademoiselle. “The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years [by 1980].”


5. “Most of the people who are going to die in the greatest cataclysm in the history of man have already been born,” wrote Paul Ehrlich in a 1969 essay titled “Eco-Catastrophe! “By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.”


6. Ehrlich sketched out his most alarmist scenario for the 1970 Earth Day issue of The Progressive, assuring readers that between 1980 and 1989, some 4 billion people, including 65 million Americans, would perish in the “Great Die-Off.”"
 
Seems like they are already successful in Europe, Australia, and other places...

It's not like the USA is the only place to learn what works or not. We can certainly look at other places that have tried something we are proposing.
Yes, but it has to fit into our constitutional framework. Agree?
 
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