Biden Holds Steady While Harris Gets A Bump In Post Debate Poll

[Surrealistik]

The bloviators claim that the contest is now between Senators Harris and Warren.

"Everyone" agrees that Vice President Biden and Senator Sanders are, well, boring old men who should pack it in.

And "everyone" agrees that President Trump would beat either Harris or Warren -- IF there is no substantial election fraud.

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Something sticks in my craw when it comes to Senator Harris: She seems to be a self-serving phony. Leave it to my home state of California to elect someone like her.

The pundits are of course trying to manufacture consensus and steer the direction of the nomination at the behest of their editors/producers, as they did in 2016. Generally the media's take goes like this:

* Bernie sucks and should be demeaned whenever possible; he's too consistent, too boring, etc. Never mention his poll bumps, or at best bury them, but be sure to mention every downturn even if his polling average doesn't really change.
* Biden is a bit goofy but hey, he's the kindly weird uncle and he's the most electable. Always mention his poll bumps and never mention a downturn unless it's so huge and newsworthy you can't possibly lie by omission, and in that case, talk about his electability some more to offset.
* ...but in case you're not into him, go with Buttigieg or Kamala. The former is so eloquent! The latter was a prosecutor!
* Warren is okay... I guess. Is America really ready for her?

I don't recall hearing this line about Trump beating Harris and Warren though, but a match up featuring either certainly makes me uncomfortable.

And yes, Kamala is almost certainly a triangulating superficial pseudo-progressive, who pretends at being a proponent of MFA etc because that's where the zeitgeist is.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Kamala's not my choice, but at this moment and the foreseeable future, it's Bernie I feel, who has the best chance against Trump, not this empty suit bloviator.

I so wish you were right, but 2016 was his time - the Year of the Populist.

And the OTHER populist won.

Now people just want steady as she goes, and incumbency (even by Trump) suggests that.

But yeah, I would LOVE to see Bernie surge.

 

[3leftsdoo]

The pundits are of course trying to manufacture consensus and steer the direction of the nomination at the behest of their editors/producers, as they did in 2016. Generally the media's take goes like this:

* Bernie sucks and should be demeaned whenever possible; he's too consistent, too boring, etc. Never mention his poll bumps, or at best bury them, but be sure to mention every downturn even if his polling average doesn't really change.
* Biden is a bit goofy but hey, he's the kindly weird uncle and he's the most electable. Always mention his poll bumps and never mention a downturn unless it's so huge and newsworthy you can't possibly lie by omission, and in that case, talk about his electability some more to offset.
* ...but in case you're not into him, go with Buttigieg or Kamala. The former is so eloquent! The latter was a prosecutor!
* Warren is okay... I guess. Is America really ready for her?

I don't recall hearing this line about Trump beating Harris and Warren though, but a match up featuring either certainly makes me uncomfortable.

And yes, Kamala is almost certainly a triangulating superficial pseudo-progressive, who pretends at being a proponent of MFA etc because that's where the zeitgeist is.

:applaud:applaud:applaud

 

[Surrealistik]

I so wish you were right, but 2016 was his time - the Year of the Populist.

And the OTHER populist won.

Now people just want steady as she goes, and incumbency (even by Trump) suggests that.

But yeah, I would LOVE to see Bernie surge.

How is this the case when core progressive policy is all the rage and zeitgeist?

 

[3leftsdoo]

How is this the case when core progressive policy is all the rage and zeitgeist?

Well, the other Democrats are out-Bernieing Bernie, though admittedly in a crass and dishonest fashion.

His message is no longer unique, he's no longer a spry young man of 74, and there are nearly two dozen others elbowing him out.

2016 was the perfect time for Bernie to do to Hillary what Obama did to her in 2008, but 2016 has passed.

While Bernie and Tulsi are the only Democrats I really trust, their message is being drowned out by the Castros, Bookers, Warrens, Bootys et al.

It just doesn't work now; Bernie was hardcore, but it ain't 1977 anymore.

It's the New Democrat Era of Disney Punk; Mickey singing God Save The Queen.

 

[Surrealistik]

Well, the other Democrats are out-Bernieing Bernie, though admittedly in a crass and dishonest fashion.

His message is no longer unique, he's no longer a spry young man of 74, and there are nearly two dozen others elbowing him out.

2016 was the perfect time for Bernie to do to Hillary what Obama did to her in 2008, but 2016 has passed.

While Bernie and Tulsi are the only Democrats I really trust, their message is being drowned out by the Castros, Bookers, Warrens, Bootys et al.

It just doesn't work now; Bernie was hardcore, but it ain't 1977 anymore.

It's the New Democrat Era of Disney Punk; Mickey singing God Save The Queen.

Way too early to arrive at any conclusions like this, Jeb Bush having been the presumptive nominee at around this time during the GOP nomination process for example.

 

[Luther]

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Biden Holds Steady While Harris Gets A Bump In Post Debate Poll

Among those who watched some or all of the debates, 46% said Harris won the debate, 20% said Biden, 17% Sanders, and 9% said Buttigieg.

Among all likely Democratic primary voters:

– The debate boosts Harris’s standing: Her favorability grew 10 points, from 56.2% to 66.9%. Her name ID also grew 9 points, from 82% to 91%.

I think Kamala has a lot of appeal. Her father was a Stanford University professor, and her mother was a physician.

Biden can get the working class white vote in Penn.

Harris can not

 

[Luther]

Way too early to arrive at any conclusions like this, Jeb Bush having been the presumptive nominee at around this time during the GOP nomination process for example.

Everybody knew Jeb Bush wasn't going anywhere(LOL)

 

[Surrealistik]

Everybody knew Jeb Bush wasn't going anywhere(LOL)

Even if you were to argue that as being the case (and yes, Jeb was widely held as the presumptive nominee. At the very least literally no one was calling a Trump win then), there's also Hillary ala 2008 before Obama bulldozed her out of nowhere.

 

[Luther]

Even if you were to argue that as being the case (and yes, Jeb was widely held as the presumptive nominee. At the very least literally no one was calling a Trump win then), there's also Hillary ala 2008 before Obama bulldozed her out of nowhere.

(and yes, Jeb was widely held as the presumptive nominee.

No he wasn't

No Bush was coming back to the White house after Baby Bush PERIOD

At the very least literally no one was calling a Trump win then)

True

there's also Hillary ala 2008 before Obama bulldozed her out of nowhere

Yeah but Hillary won the popular vote in the democratic nominee process

So it was close

 

[Surrealistik]

Yeah but Hillary won the popular vote in the democratic nominee process

So it was close

Sure, but she was hands down, no doubt the presumptive nominee at around the same time during the 2008 nomination process and lost; that's the core point. Between very recent past precedent in the case of Trump and Clinton (and I'm sure there are other similar cases in broader American history), we're simply too far out to tell what will happen at this point.

 

[Luther]

Sure, but she was hands down, no doubt the presumptive nominee at around the same time during the 2008 nomination process and lost; that's the core point. Between very recent past precedent in the case of Trump and Clinton (and I'm sure there are other similar cases in broader American history), we're simply too far out to tell what will happen at this point.

Of course

But Biden in my opinion is the only guy who has even a chance to beat Trump in the Gen

He can do better in those majority white Rust belt states than any of the others

 

[rocket88]

Everybody will lose to Trump because if he doesn't win the election, he'll nullify the results so he can stay in power.

 

[Surrealistik]

Of course

But Biden in my opinion is the only guy who has even a chance to beat Trump in the Gen

He can do better in those majority white Rust belt states than any of the others

Bernie would probably do better in my estimation.

Having said that, I think there's at least a couple of people who could beat Trump, and I personally don't want to be made to make a choice between two nitwits with the worst case of foot-in-mouth disease I've literally ever seen among any politico on the planet, so it's certainly my preference that Biden doesn't get the nomination.

 

[Luther]

Bernie would probably do better in my estimation.

Having said that, I think there's at least a couple of people who could beat Trump, and I personally don't want to be made to make a choice between two nitwits with the worst case of foot-in-mouth disease I've literally ever seen among any politico on the planet, so it's certainly my preference that Biden doesn't get the nomination.

Bernie would probably do better in my estimation.

I don't think so

Hillary took Penn and Iowa in 2016?

Bernie will not get the black vote in the south where Biden will

Biden is a prodigy of Obama

 

[Surrealistik]

I don't think so

Hillary took Penn and Iowa in 2016?

Bernie will not get the black vote in the south where Biden will

Biden is a prodigy of Obama

After the debates, I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Obama picked Biden to appeal to whites first and foremost, and though some of the former's good will still clings to Biden among blacks, that is quickly eroding.

 

[Luther]

After the debates, I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Obama picked Biden to appeal to whites first and foremost, and though some of the former's good will still clings to Biden among blacks, that is quickly eroding.

After the debates, I wouldn't be so sure about that.

The debates will not change the black vote in the south for Biden

Just like Clinton destroyed Bernie with the Black vote in the south, so will Biden

 

[Luther]

I predict Biden will be out of the running at some point in the primaries. We've been here before. The democrats voters want something new.

Wasn't that said in the 2016 dim primary?

Hillary(LOL)

 

[marke]

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Biden Holds Steady While Harris Gets A Bump In Post Debate Poll

Among those who watched some or all of the debates, 46% said Harris won the debate, 20% said Biden, 17% Sanders, and 9% said Buttigieg.

Among all likely Democratic primary voters:

– The debate boosts Harris’s standing: Her favorability grew 10 points, from 56.2% to 66.9%. Her name ID also grew 9 points, from 82% to 91%.

I think Kamala has a lot of appeal. Her father was a Stanford University professor, and her mother was a physician.

The gate has opened and the jackasses are all out on the track in the race to become the most insane democrat ever.

 

[Logician Man]

The gate has opened and the jackasses are all out on the track in the race to become the most insane democrat ever.

Who currently is the most insane republican ,and why?

 

[Luther]

Agreed. I don't see him winning NH or Iowa, and that will end his campaign.

Hillary took Iowa in 2016 Dem nominee process(LOL)

 

[Surrealistik]

The debates will not change the black vote in the south for Biden

Just like Clinton destroyed Bernie with the Black vote in the south, so will Biden

That's a bold statement RE: someone who saw his % slip 10 points after the debates and his support among blacks halve: Biden's support from black voters cut in half after debate: Reuters/Ipsos poll - Reuters

 

[marke]

Who currently is the most insane republican ,and why?

I would possibly have named McCain as one of the worst, but he has been mercifully taken away.

 

[Logician Man]

I would possibly have named McCain as one of the worst, but he has been mercifully taken away.

I didn't ask you who you thought was the worst, I asked you who was the most insane. Please try to focus on what is actually being posted, and answer the actual question posed...not a question that wasn't asked. thanks..

 

[marke]

I didn't ask you who you thought was the worst, I asked you who was the most insane. Please try to focus on what is actually being posted.

My bad. McCain was one of the most insane but now that he is gone it is hard to narrow the bad ones down to which is the most insane.