Biden hammered for spending time at Camp David while Taliban take over Afghanistan

[ClaraD]

Withdrawal isn't the issue, the evacuation disaster is, you again try to defend the indefensible for some unknown reason, almost cult like. Honoring a agreement? You mean ignoring the swift take over of the country by the Taliban? Blaming Trump continues all to divert from the failures of someone who is incompetent and lacks the leadership skills that destroys U.S.Credibility but probably pays for the benefits that you are receiving paid for by someone else.

why didn't Trump withdraw them??? If he could have done it better...why didn't he do it???

 

[Conservative]

I already posted the link...perhaps you should learn how to click on links and you might learn something...instead, you pop off your mouth about crap and ignore what has been provided to you....what you showed me is in fact 1 month previous to the emergency warning issued to Americans...how long does a person need to get on a plane and get out of there?

Right, your link ignores what the state department is saying, why do you support such an incompetent evacuation procedure and can never admit being wrong on any issue? You have no understanding at all of the role and responsibility of the federal gov't involving Americans around the world.

No official US evacuation plan for Americans outside Kabul, report says

The U.S. has no plans to evacuate Americans in Afghanistan who are located outside Kabul, according to a report on Monday.

www.foxnews.com

The precise number of Americans outside Kabul was not immediately clear but up to 15,000 may still be in Afghanistan, the Post reported. The Taliban has been on the offensive across the country for weeks.

 

[tres borrachos]

Because Trump wasn't in office in May 2021 and this evacuation was a typical liberal result of poor planning and execution. It is stunning how Trump is at fault still today for the fiasco created by Biden and his Administration and how you can never answer the question did Trump do anything right during his four years in office that benefited you and your family that would lead to such hatred you have?

Why didn't Trump withdraw them in 2020? He negotiated this "deal" in January of 2020. Too lazy to actually execute it?

 

[Conservative]

why didn't Trump withdraw them??? If he could have done it better...why didn't he do it???

Because the statement was by May 2021 and he wasn't in office then but what does that have to do with the disaster orchestrated by Biden in August?

 

[The Baron]

Name the “other options”.

We’ll wait.

My preferred option was to never go in and do any type of "nation building", period! Our military is not set-up for that. All our military is established to do is to kill people and destroy things. This was a Bush failure. We should have gone in, killed all the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and all other assorted terrorist and left.

Another option would have been a slower, un-announced drawn-down that would not have left American's, our allies, weapons, intelligence and other assets available to the Taliban (or course they should have all been killed anyway).

And those are just two options without even thinking about it.

Incompetent Biden ignored everyone and has now blamed everyone for his failure and America is worse-off with that geriatric jack-ass as President and so is Afghanistan.

 

[Queen Margo]

Because the statement was by May 2021 and he wasn't in office then but what does that have to do with the disaster orchestrated by Biden in August?

IF Trump would have done exactly what Biden did, they would all be OUTRAGED and slam Trump for doing it.

 

[Conservative]

why didn't Trump withdraw them??? If he could have done it better...why didn't he do it???

Do you have any idea what agreement Trump made with the Taliban? Of course not so you make up crap. Here is the reality but the bigger reality was the incompetence of the Biden administration that even Trump didn't foresee, what an embarrassment and even bigger one for supporters like you

The Trump plan required the Taliban not take over territory, negotiate a peace with the Afghan government and renounce and cut all ties with Al Qaeda.

It was made clear that if Americans or our allies within the country were harmed the US would retaliate with overwhelming force. It also called for removal of American civilians and removal of our equipment first. When the Taliban took over 60% of the country, and reneged on their end of the agreement.



Biden did not hold them to the agreement, he did nothing and then pulled out troops out leaving at least 10,000 and as many as 40,000 American citizens

reliant on the mercy of the Taliban. We now have a bunch of brutal religious fanatics dictating terms to us as they wreak havoc on the people in Afghanistan.



Biden owns this. He’s a fool, and always has been.

 

[ClaraD]

Right, your link ignores what the state department is saying, why do you support such an incompetent evacuation procedure and can never admit being wrong on any issue? You have no understanding at all of the role and responsibility of the federal gov't involving Americans around the world.

No official US evacuation plan for Americans outside Kabul, report says

The U.S. has no plans to evacuate Americans in Afghanistan who are located outside Kabul, according to a report on Monday.

www.foxnews.com

my link said they were told to get out....how many times do you have to be told to get out in order to do so? Where is the personal responsibility here Connie?

 

[ClaraD]

Do you have any idea what agreement Trump made with the Taliban? Of course not so you make up crap. Here is the reality but the bigger reality was the incompetence of the Biden administration that even Trump didn't foresee, what an embarrassment and even bigger one for supporters like you

The Trump plan required the Taliban not take over territory, negotiate a peace with the Afghan government and renounce and cut all ties with Al Qaeda.

It was made clear that if Americans or our allies within the country were harmed the US would retaliate with overwhelming force. It also called for removal of American civilians and removal of our equipment first. When the Taliban took over 60% of the country, and reneged on their end of the agreement.



Biden did not hold them to the agreement, he did nothing and then pulled out troops out leaving at least 10,000 and as many as 40,000 American citizens

reliant on the mercy of the Taliban. We now have a bunch of brutal religious fanatics dictating terms to us as they wreak havoc on the people in Afghanistan.



Biden owns this. He’s a fool, and always has been.

yes, it was all one sided...he said we would leave and the Taliban could have it....and that is a fact.

 

[Queen Margo]

Biden owns this. He’s a fool, and always has been.

47 years of his do nothing foolish gaffy daffy-ness, just more of the inane.

 

[ClaraD]

IF Trump would have done exactly what Biden did, they would all be OUTRAGED and slam Trump for doing it.

I guarantee you one thing....based on Trump's history of withdrawals...he would have abandoned the Afghanis and Americans without a single care..
He would have pulled out troops and pretended our allies never existed...it is the same exact thing he did in Syria to the Kurds.

 

[Conservative]

my link said they were told to get out....how many times do you have to be told to get out in order to do so? Where is the personal responsibility here Connie?

How many times do I have to tell you that the role of the American gov't is to provide for the defense of Americans and again as usual hatred of Trump rears its head as you ignore the agreement details that Trump signed with the Taliban as well as the disastrous execution the Biden Administration generated all out of loyalty to an incompetent Administration due to some unknown reason

 

[ClaraD]

My preferred option was to never go in and do any type of "nation building", period! Our military is not set-up for that. All our military is established to do is to kill people and destroy things. This was a Bush failure. We should have gone in, killed all the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and all other assorted terrorist and left.

Another option would have been a slower, un-announced drawn-down that would not have left American's, our allies, weapons, intelligence and other assets available to the Taliban (or course they should have all been killed anyway).

And those are just two options without even thinking about it.

Incompetent Biden ignored everyone and has now blamed everyone for his failure and America is worse-off with that geriatric jack-ass as President and so is Afghanistan.

So, why didn't Trump pull out? Why didn't Obama pull out? Both promised to do so...neither did. Obama failed once we had Osama Bin Laden and killed him...Bush failed when he refused the Taliban offer to hand him over....

 

[Queen Margo]

I guarantee you one thing....based on Trump's history of withdrawals...he would have abandoned the Afghanis and Americans without a single care..
He would have pulled out troops and pretended our allies never existed...it is the same exact thing he did in Syria to the Kurds.

Then why didn't he?

 

[Conservative]

I guarantee you one thing....based on Trump's history of withdrawals...he would have abandoned the Afghanis and Americans without a single care..
He would have pulled out troops and pretended our allies never existed...it is the same exact thing he did in Syria to the Kurds.

Pure speculation made out of hatred of Trump for some unknown reason. You have no clue how Trump would have handled the withdrawal. Your personal opinion is based solely on personal hatred of Trump, WHY?

 

[ClaraD]

How many times do I have to tell you that the role of the American gov't is to provide for the defense of Americans and again as usual hatred of Trump rears its head as you ignore the agreement details that Trump signed with the Taliban as well as the disastrous execution the Biden Administration generated all out of loyalty to an incompetent Administration due to some unknown reason

no, it isn't...the role of the US government isn't to force Americans to leave. If a person chooses to stay in a country after being told to leave...that is on them. Our responsibility is to get out the people who have no choice to do so.

 

[ClaraD]

Pure speculation made out of hatred of Trump for some unknown reason. You have no clue how Trump would have handled the withdrawal. Your personal opinion is based solely on personal hatred of Trump, WHY?

No, it is based on facts...he abandoned the Kurds and they were slaughtered...a fact.

 

[ClaraD]

Because the statement was by May 2021 and he wasn't in office then but what does that have to do with the disaster orchestrated by Biden in August?

why didn't he negotiate withdrawal before he would leave office? He made the deal in Feb 2020...met with the Taliban...why not withdraw by December 2020?

 

[Conservative]

I guarantee you one thing....based on Trump's history of withdrawals...he would have abandoned the Afghanis and Americans without a single care..
He would have pulled out troops and pretended our allies never existed...it is the same exact thing he did in Syria to the Kurds.

I posted the Trump agreement with the Taliban which of course you ignored to continue spewing hatred, that is unhealthy and gives you no credibility when you see the disaster we have in the WH right now. Trump's agreement didn't lead to the evacuation failures of Biden and still you cannot accept that reality

 

[Conservative]

No, it is based on facts...he abandoned the Kurds and they were slaughtered...a fact.

The Kurds AREN'T Americans and there was no disastrous withdrawal like we saw in Afghanistan, no comparison at all. What was our total count of Americans in Syria? Where exactly was the ISIS leader when American Troops took him out?

 

[Queen Margo]

no, it isn't...the role of the US government isn't to force Americans to leave. If a person chooses to stay in a country after being told to leave...that is on them. Our responsibility is to get out the people who have no choice to do so.

So, then with this method of thinking, then would you agree that is not the role of the US government to force Americans to take the vaccination? If a person chooses to not get vaccinated after being told to.... that is on them.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I do think we need to get out, but that's not relevant to the discussion. I think we should have pulled out in a manner that didn't facilitate the immediate and absolute collapse of the country and place thousands of lives in jeopardy. Thank goodness The Taliban were smart enough and disciplined enough to not press an attack on US troops and personnel. It could easily have been a slaughter.

Anyway we pulled out would have resulted in the Taliban quickly taking the country. The problem is the Biden Administration simply didn't plan for an immediate takeover of the country by the Taliban. Had they have assumed that was the most likely scenario, they would have pulled out the vast majority of Americans there as well as the Afghans that have worked for us prior to pulling out of Bagram. Instead, they believed the Afghan government would hold on for some time, and if they rapidly pulled out Americans, it would create a crisis of confidence in the Afghan government and defense forces. That has proved to be a colossal blunder that led to the fiasco the evacuation is today.

However, in my opinion, this is the least of our problems going forward. We will get all Americans out, the Taliban will not seriously get in the way of that because they want us out. Our Afghan allies unfortunately is a different story and we will almost certainly leave behind many Afghans that worked for us, which is to our shame as a country. However, a full withdrawal, which was the policy of both the Biden and Trump Administrations, may well prove to be a tragically bad decision for the United States because:

1. We gave the country back to the Taliban, a radical Islamist group with both AQ and ISIL as members.

2. The Taliban taking over the country again means they get all the arms we provided the Afghan Defense Forces with, and thus are now the most well armed Islamists in the history of civilization.

3. If the Taliban allows Afghanistan to become a safe haven for terrorists again, we do not have any bases nearby and Afghanistan is nowhere near the ocean, thus are ability to conduct anti-terror operations there is very limited.

4. There is very little that separates the Taliban in Afghanistan and the Taliban in Pakistan. If part of Pakistan were to fall under Taliban control, the Taliban would then have access to a nuclear arsenal.

 

[ClaraD]

I posted the Trump agreement with the Taliban which of course you ignored to continue spewing hatred, that is unhealthy and gives you no credibility when you see the disaster we have in the WH right now. Trump's agreement didn't lead to the evacuation failures of Biden and still you cannot accept that reality

again, why did he post a date after he would leave the presidency?

 

[Conservative]

why didn't he negotiate withdrawal before he would leave office? He made the deal in Feb 2020...met with the Taliban...why not withdraw by December 2020?

Why does it matter? Keep diverting from the disaster you support in the WH today

 

[ClaraD]

So, then with this method of thinking, then would you agree that is not the role of the US government to force Americans to take the vaccination? If a person chooses to not get vaccinated after being told to.... that is on them.

the government isn't forcing Americans to take the vaccination...