Biden hammered for spending time at Camp David while Taliban take over Afghanistan

[Roger Duke]

Meh. I'm 1000x more concerned about what is going on in Afghanistan right now than what POTUS is doing this weekend.

Me too. It's probably best that he stays away and lets Kamala fix this mess. That will put everybody's minds at ease.

 

[MaryP]

The man is a dumbass. Who is advising him?

Holy shit, did he get bad intel on that one! "YOU'LL NEVER SEE HELICOPTERS ON THE ROOF OF THE EMBASSY."

 

[Jredbaron96]

The Taliban did not take over until we pulled out. Prior to that, us conducting some air support and drone operations was sufficient to maintaining the status quo.

That's a generous reading of the situation and not really accurate.

For the past six years the Taliban had steadily been eroding ANSF and GoIRA standings across the country. Had ISIS not popped up and distracted them they would have likely gained more. In fact you can trace a lot of their recent rapid success to all the work they did over the past few years.

 

[366h34d]

Holy shit, did he get bad intel on that one! "YOU'LL NEVER SEE HELICOPTERS ON THE ROOF OF THE EMBASSY."


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Robert Gates: "...I think he's been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades....."

 

[Atomic Kid]

Is the US presidency only a M-F 9-5 job?
Union work rules for that office?

It was far less so during Trump's 4 years in office. The majority of his daily schedule consisted of "executive time", as in sitting on his bed watching multiple TVs, while munching on a cheeseburger. Aside from the time he spent tweeting while on the porcelain throne in the wee hours of the night or morning of course.

 

[Top Cat]

Me too. It's probably best that he stays away and lets Kamala fix this mess. That will put everybody's minds at ease.

Me too. It's probably best that he stays away and lets Kamala fix this mess. That will put everybody's minds at ease.

More RW Fox lunacy.

 

[Roger Duke]

While I loved reading your post, I don't think this shit show is one Biden will be able to overcome. No matter how many times they try to put lipstick on this pig, the American people are just sick over what has just unfolded.

Just unfolded? This is just starting to unfold. Wait until we start seeing what the Taliban will do in Afghanistan and surrounding countries once US troops are gone..
Every hater of America, be they terrorist or not, now smells blood in the water and senses America's weakness. This isn't just a huge victory for the Taliban. It's a huge victory for lots of countries and organizations. America is under the leadership of an incompetent man who has serious mental issues and is being manipulated by his handlers.
This mess means that his replacement has another thing to add to the long list when she fills out the 25th Amendment paperwork. Then we will have a politically correct figure head as President who is completely clueless. These are dark dangerous times for our nation. America's role as world leader is waning and that isn't just dangerous for us. It threatens world stability.

 

[Puigb]

If you pay attention to that video you will see a President Biden that is appropriately outraged at questions he should be appropriately outraged about. He answered all questions directly and exuded confidence, commitment and leadership. Sure, he was wrong as all hell but that doesn't matter as long as:
A) He looks good when he's talking and sounds like we want him to sound
B) He speaks clearly and directly while not actually answering the questions or, at least, leaving appropriate wiggle room
C) He has someone lined up to take the blame if things go awry

As long as he does those things he'll be fine. The media might grumble a little but they have invested a TON of political capital in Biden and getting Biden elected so there is no way they'll turn against him. Joe is fine and once Media Matters and Brookings get some decent talking points out to Biden, broadcast media, NYT and WaPo everything will be fine. Yeah, the Afghan people will be screwed but it will all be Trump's fault so, politically, all is well in the White House.

lol, youre just pissed that a Democratic president is ending the forever war started by a Republican administration. Tell me Luther, what would your saint Trump have done had he actually followed through on another broken promise?

 

[Top Cat]

Just unfolded? This is just starting to unfold. Wait until we start seeing what the Taliban will do in Afghanistan and surrounding countries once US troops are gone..
Every hater of America, be they terrorist or not, now smells blood in the water and senses America's weakness. This isn't just a huge victory for the Taliban. It's a huge victory for lots of countries and organizations. America is under the leadership of an incompetent man who has serious mental issues and is being manipulated by his handlers.
This mess means that his replacement has another thing to add to the long list when she fills out the 25th Amendment paperwork. Then we will have a politically correct figure head as President who is completely clueless. These are dark dangerous times for our nation. America's role as world leader is waning and that isn't just dangerous for us. It threatens world stability.

FFS. The RW hysteria over a lost cause that THEY started is ****ing pathetic.

 

[Puigb]

FFS. The RW hysteria over a lost cause that THEY started is ****ing pathetic.

its how it always is. GOP administration leaves a disasterfor a Dem administration to clean up…then pretends it was always the fault of said Dem administration any way. Works for them with the economy, the border, the forever wars, etc.

 

[MaryP]

If you pay attention to that video you will see a President Biden that is appropriately outraged at questions he should be appropriately outraged about. He answered all questions directly and exuded confidence, commitment and leadership. Sure, he was wrong as all hell but that doesn't matter as long as:
A) He looks good when he's talking and sounds like we want him to sound
B) He speaks clearly and directly while not actually answering the questions or, at least, leaving appropriate wiggle room
C) He has someone lined up to take the blame if things go awry

As long as he does those things he'll be fine. The media might grumble a little but they have invested a TON of political capital in Biden and getting Biden elected so there is no way they'll turn against him. Joe is fine and once Media Matters and Brookings get some decent talking points out to Biden, broadcast media, NYT and WaPo everything will be fine. Yeah, the Afghan people will be screwed but it will all be Trump's fault so, politically, all is well in the White House.

No, that clip is the Boner of the Term. It will be played forever, watch. It's pretty much picture perfect for you folks--go to town!

Of course, he was relying on what he'd been told by his 'experts' and they're the ones who really, really flubbed it, but hey. The poor bastard. 57 states? Biden says, Hold my beer! If I were him, some heads would roll.

 

[Roger Duke]

FFS. The RW hysteria over a lost cause that THEY started is ****ing pathetic.

Right wing hysteria? I watched liberal CNN several hours today and liberals are the ones with cries of doomsday for the region. You should probably text them and let them know how pathetic they are.

 

[Roger Duke]

More RW Fox lunacy.

I don't know what you are talking about. I've spent the day watching CNN. I can't imagine Fox would have been more critical of this mess than them.

 

[Carl Young]

lol, youre just pissed that a Democratic president is ending the forever war started by a Republican administration. Tell me Luther, what would your saint Trump have done had he actually followed through on another broken promise?

What makes you think the war is over?

Americans are not only attacking each other, their cities and their institutions they now have emboldened Islamic terrorists who understand that eventually weak politicians and their media will order retreat. Democrats are more interested in skin color -whether it be black, white, brown or orange- rather than concerning themselves with what's going on in the real world.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Guess he thinks Trump was your guy......
Yikes!

It's always hard when people spout Orange Man talking points and then say "Oh, I didn't vote for him!"

 

[btthegreat]

Biden hammered for spending time at Camp David while Taliban take over Afghanistan

Republican members of Congress criticized President Biden on Sunday for spending time at the Camp David presidential retreat instead of the White House as the Taliban fought to finalize a takeover of Afghanistan.

www.foxnews.com

I know it's a Fox News article and I know the criticism is coming from very partisan Republicans, but they have a point. This is a moment of national humiliation. The Taliban has taken back Afghanistan before our eyes today and we have Americans in Afghanistan told to "shelter in place", which really is worse than the evacuation of Saigon, and we have the Secretary of State Blinken claiming we are evacuating in an orderly manner??? What a ****ing disaster. Sure, we would likely be in the same situation had Trump been reelected with the exception it would have been May 1st, but that doesn't mean that blame today doesn't fall upon the Biden Administration for what is going on now. This notion that their "hands were tied", total bullshit.

Almost all the Afghans that helped us for the 20 years we were there are going to be killed. There is no way we are going to get most of them out at this point, and that will be utterly catastrophic for future American military actions for decades to come.

So seriously, where the **** is the president right now? Why is not addressing the American people right now? Unlike a lot of people on here, I am not a rapid tribal partisan, I call shit how I see it, and this is an utter catastrophe.

Where Biden is or sleeps just does not matter. He's planned his address for a couple of days down the road, after the evacuation is complete. We just need to get out as fast as possible. Biden did not lose this mess any more than Ford lost Vietnam. The speed of the demise of the Afghan govt, shows what a total waste of energy and effort this was for the last several years.

 

[Roger Duke]

The speed of the demise of the Afghan govt, shows what a total waste of energy and effort this was for the last several years.

Shucks. You are just a little too late. You should have told Biden that a month ago. You could have warned him. He said that Afghanistan would have no problem holding together.
When an average person meandering around a political forum knows more than the President of the United States, that's all the proof you need that the American voters made a bad decision.

 

[rickc]

Well the Iraqi soldiers threw down their guns and surrendered. Afghanistan soldiers threw down their guns and ran. Seems to me they really didn't want to be soldiers in the first place. The ones that really want to fight for their country join the insurgency.

 

[yankintx]

Biden hammered for spending time at Camp David while Taliban take over Afghanistan

Republican members of Congress criticized President Biden on Sunday for spending time at the Camp David presidential retreat instead of the White House as the Taliban fought to finalize a takeover of Afghanistan.

www.foxnews.com

I know it's a Fox News article and I know the criticism is coming from very partisan Republicans, but they have a point. This is a moment of national humiliation. The Taliban has taken back Afghanistan before our eyes today and we have Americans in Afghanistan told to "shelter in place", which really is worse than the evacuation of Saigon, and we have the Secretary of State Blinken claiming we are evacuating in an orderly manner??? What a ****ing disaster. Sure, we would likely be in the same situation had Trump been reelected with the exception it would have been May 1st, but that doesn't mean that blame today doesn't fall upon the Biden Administration for what is going on now. This notion that their "hands were tied", total bullshit.

Almost all the Afghans that helped us for the 20 years we were there are going to be killed. There is no way we are going to get most of them out at this point, and that will be utterly catastrophic for future American military actions for decades to come.

So seriously, where the **** is the president right now? Why is not addressing the American people right now? Unlike a lot of people on here, I am not a rapid tribal partisan, I call shit how I see it, and this is an utter catastrophe.

And you would have approved of thousands more American troops in Afghanistan?

This was never going to end good when we started 20 years ago. If after 20 years the Afghans cannot hang on to Democracy then so be it, they don't want it bad enough to put there own lives on the line.

 

[yankintx]

Shucks. You are just a little too late. You should have told Biden that a month ago. You could have warned him. He said that Afghanistan would have no problem holding together.
When an average person meandering around a political forum knows more than the President of the United States, that's all the proof you need that the American voters made a bad decision.

It was either Biden or the other POS. And Trump would have done exactly as Biden has done.

 

[Puigb]

What makes you think the war is over?

Americans are not only attacking each other, their cities and their institutions they now have emboldened Islamic terrorists who understand that eventually weak politicians and their media will order retreat. Democrats are more interested in skin color -whether it be black, white, brown or orange- rather than concerning themselves with what's going on in the real world.

Well, we did have a bunch of right wing terrorists incited by a GOP president try to hang politicians because he lost an election, so you may be right.

 

[eohrnberger]

If you are for having a small force in Afghanistan indefinitely (which is my position btw), then you have to be against both the Trump and Biden's position on Afghanistan. Otherwise, you are just being partisan and trying to have it both ways.

We are of the same position on this point. I wasn't for the troop withdraw when Trump started talking about it either, and thought that he should have heeded his general's assessment (they weren't for it either, if I recall).

What is going on right now is a humiliation for the country, but it's not what will hurt us long term. What will hurt us long term is that Taliban now controls the entire country, is very well armed due to all the arms we have provided the Afghan Security Forces, and the country can now become a safe haven for terrorists. Both Administrations planned a complete withdrawal, so this would have been the case regardless of which one of them was in office today. So if you are against handing the country back to the Taliban, then you have to say that Bush and Obama were right, and Trump and Biden have been wrong about Afghanistan.

My thoughts similar, though would add that Biden showing weakness internationally emboldened the Taliban.

 

[eohrnberger]

A person saying that Trump would have shown any kind of weakness internationally is either intellectually dishonest or one fry short of a happy meal. Throughout his presidency he constantly said the only thing these people in the region that continue to create havoc is leadership strength and Trump expressed just that to them. He warned them to stop something or they would pay consequences and he followed through. Remember when he warned Syria about using chemical weapons on their own people? When it continued he bombed the hell out of the locations they stored those chemicals, destroyed planes they used and made swiss cheese out of their runways to keep them from dropping these chemicals by air onto groups of their own people.

Remember when there was a growing presence of al Qaeda in southern Afghanistan attacking our troops which resulted in many deaths and severely injured troops. Trump issued a warning. The attacks continued and how did Trump respond? He dropped a MOAB on them,

Trump was very adamant that his goal was to bring our soldiers home from these 20 year conflicts but he said it had to be done in a responsible way. What is happening now was not a well thought out plan and it has turned into one pathetic shit show.

'pathetic shit show' an apt and succinct description of the Biden administration.

 

[eohrnberger]

As expected, your world is upside down. Biden has shown himself to be extraordinarily strong on the international front, doing what Bush the Lesser, Obama, and Trump didn't have the stones to do.

It's not just me thinking this.

A person saying that Trump would have shown any kind of weakness internationally is either intellectually dishonest or one fry short of a happy meal. Throughout his presidency he constantly said the only thing these people in the region that continue to create havoc is leadership strength and Trump expressed just that to them. He warned them to stop something or they would pay consequences and he followed through. Remember when he warned Syria about using chemical weapons on their own people? When it continued he bombed the hell out of the locations they stored those chemicals, destroyed planes they used and made swiss cheese out of their runways to keep them from dropping these chemicals by air onto groups of their own people.

Remember when there was a growing presence of al Qaeda in southern Afghanistan attacking our troops which resulted in many deaths and severely injured troops. Trump issued a warning. The attacks continued and how did Trump respond? He dropped a MOAB on them,

Trump was very adamant that his goal was to bring our soldiers home from these 20 year conflicts but he said it had to be done in a responsible way. What is happening now was not a well thought out plan and it has turned into one pathetic shit show.

'intellectually dishonest or one fry short of a happy meal' seems an apt description.

The idea that the Taliban needed to be "emboldened" is just so much horseshit. They've been gaining territory at home for more than 2-1/2 years, and really accelerated their push in March 2020 - in response to Trump.

Taliban Ramp Up Attacks on Afghans After Trump Says ‘No Violence’ (Published 2020)

Deadly assaults against Afghan forces have increased since the U.S. and Taliban signed a deal to end their war. Afghans worry about the ambiguity of the Taliban’s promises.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Common Sense 1]

It's always hard when people spout Orange Man talking points and then say "Oh, I didn't vote for him!"

You don't know what you are talking about but please carry on!