Biden flirts with 14th Amendment as pressure mounts from right and left in debt talks

[Doug64]

So now Biden is considering his own attempt to make the Constitution dance to his tune:

President Biden is threatening to utilize an unprecedented and constitutionally questionable maneuver to circumvent Republicans on the debt limit with less than two weeks until the U.S. is likely to default and be unable to pay its bill.

Mr. Biden told reporters at a G7 meeting in Japan his administration was exploring whether it could invoke the 14th Amendment as debt limit negotiations with House Republicans sour.

The announcement came shortly before Mr. Biden agreed to host House Speaker Kevin McCarthy at the White House on Monday for another round of talks.

“I’m looking at the 14th Amendment as to whether or not we have the authority — I think we have the authority,” Mr. Biden said. “The question is, could it be done and invoked in time that it would not be appealed, and as a consequence past the date in question and still default on the debt.”

This makes no more sense than Trump asserting that the vice-president has the right to reject the Electoral College count. Leaving aside the historical context, the point about the debt limit is to prevent the US government from incurring more debt, not refuse to pay the debt it already has.

 

[Callen]

So now Biden is considering his own attempt to make the Constitution dance to his tune:



This makes no more sense than Trump asserting that the vice-president has the right to reject the Electoral College count. Leaving aside the historical context, the point about the debt limit is to prevent the US government from incurring more debt, not refuse to pay the debt it already has.

Except the reality is that payment of incurred debt is dependant upon a revenue stream. It is impossible for the States to not incur more debt without an adequate revenue stream. The argument should be do we raise taxes or the debt limit and see how fast the GOP change their tune.

 

[Roadvirus]

Biden is sexually harassing the 14th amendment? Does Jill know about this?

 

[Integrityrespec]

Except the reality is that payment of incurred debt is dependant upon a revenue stream. It is impossible for the States to not incur more debt without an adequate revenue stream. The argument should be do we raise taxes or the debt limit and see how fast the GOP change their tune.

Control spending.

 

[Pippi Longstock]

He’s just sniffing around the edges.

 

[Callen]

Control spending.

Reality is raise the revenue stream or raise the borrowing limits while you work on controlling spending via the budget process.

 

[mrjurrs]

So now Biden is considering his own attempt to make the Constitution dance to his tune:



This makes no more sense than Trump asserting that the vice-president has the right to reject the Electoral College count. Leaving aside the historical context, the point about the debt limit is to prevent the US government from incurring more debt, not refuse to pay the debt it already has.

The President Biden example stands on the 'black letter' of the Constitution.
What does the 'liable for sexual abuse' Trump example stand on?

 

[mrjurrs]

Except the reality is that payment of incurred debt is dependant upon a revenue stream. It is impossible for the States to not incur more debt without an adequate revenue stream. The argument should be do we raise taxes or the debt limit and see how fast the GOP change their tune.

Incurred debt is the result of a constitutional process for passing legislation. That is considered in the budget process, not the bill paying process. States are not the Federal Government, they are required to balance their budgets, the federal government is not.

 

[mrjurrs]

So now Biden is considering his own attempt to make the Constitution dance to his tune:



This makes no more sense than Trump asserting that the vice-president has the right to reject the Electoral College count. Leaving aside the historical context, the point about the debt limit is to prevent the US government from incurring more debt, not refuse to pay the debt it already has.

Your claim appears to be based on your opinion. It certainly is not based on any fact.

 

[Callen]

Incurred debt is the result of a constitutional process for passing legislation. That is considered in the budget process, not the bill paying process. States are not the Federal Government, they are required to balance their budgets, the federal government is not.

To clarify .....when I posted "the States".....it was meant as a reference to the United States of America, not the individual states. I'll be more specific going forward but typically Canadians refer to the US of A as " the States"......as in "we went to the States for a winter vacation"

 

[Chomsky]

So now Biden is considering his own attempt to make the Constitution dance to his tune:



This makes no more sense than Trump asserting that the vice-president has the right to reject the Electoral College count. Leaving aside the historical context, the point about the debt limit is to prevent the US government from incurring more debt, not refuse to pay the debt it already has.

Biden just stated he believes he has the authority.

I started a thread with the article here, linked below, if you're interested:

Biden teases 14th Amendment "authority" on debt ceiling

(AXIOS) Biden teases 14th Amendment "authority" on debt ceiling Biden, who has previously said that he'd consider invoking the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling without an act of Congress, said Sunday that he thinks he has the "authority" to do so. "The question is could it be done and...

debatepolitics.com

 

[Chomsky]

To clarify .....when I posted "the States".....it was meant as a reference to the United States of America, not the individual states. I'll be more specific going forward but typically Canadians refer to the US of A as " the States"......as in "we went to the States for a winter vacation"

"States", capitalized, implies the country. Otherwise, the 's' would be lower case!

I also use "the States" quite often.

 

[Doug64]

Except the reality is that payment of incurred debt is dependant upon a revenue stream. It is impossible for the States to not incur more debt without an adequate revenue stream. The argument should be do we raise taxes or the debt limit and see how fast the GOP change their tune.

That's exactly where Biden's thinking runs into trouble--he refuses to consider that he doesn't need to increase the debt to pay our bills.

Your claim appears to be based on your opinion. It certainly is not based on any fact.

So tell me how I'm wrong.

 

[Peter]

So now Biden is considering his own attempt to make the Constitution dance to his tune:



This makes no more sense than Trump asserting that the vice-president has the right to reject the Electoral College count. Leaving aside the historical context, the point about the debt limit is to prevent the US government from incurring more debt, not refuse to pay the debt it already has.

The result of refusing to raise the debt limit will be a debt default and all the means.

Do you think that's going to be helpful to the nation?

 

[Doug64]

The result of refusing to raise the debt limit will be a debt default and all the means.

Do you think that's going to be helpful to the nation?

Tell that to Biden and his Democrats. The Republican House passed a debt ceiling increase, and the Senate Republicans are onboard with it. Which is another problem with Biden's constitutional "theory"--do Democrats really want to argue in court that they can refuse to pass a debt ceiling increase and that grants their own president the power to ignore congressional legislation when it comes to spending?

 

[Peter]

Tell that to Biden and his Democrats. The Republican House passed a debt ceiling increase, and the Senate Republicans are onboard with it. Which is another problem with Biden's constitutional "theory"--do Democrats really want to argue in court that they can refuse to pass a debt ceiling increase and that grants their own president the power to ignore congressional legislation when it comes to spending?

Ok then the Republicans can play hardball and let the country crash and burn.
You really won't enjoy it but you guys voted for a party thatn thinks negotiating is weakness and showing that is wrong.

Trump was the perfect candidate for you guys as he never negotiated in good faith about anything.

Let the country default and you can sit there in the knowledge that you owned the libs.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Tell that to Biden and his Democrats. The Republican House passed a debt ceiling increase, and the Senate Republicans are onboard with it. Which is another problem with Biden's constitutional "theory"--do Democrats really want to argue in court that they can refuse to pass a debt ceiling increase and that grants their own president the power to ignore congressional legislation when it comes to spending?

Sure, there is no downside to that argument, politically.

 

[Callen]

Sure, there is no downside to that argument, politically.

Point of clarification...the Senate GOP is not onside with the bill. Just the notion of negotiated spending restraints.

 

[Doug64]

Ok then the Republicans can play hardball and let the country crash and burn.
You really won't enjoy it but you guys voted for a party thatn thinks negotiating is weakness and showing that is wrong.

Have you noticed who has been refusing to negotiate for weeks? It isn't the Republicans.

 

[PLizzy]

Biden just stated he believes he has the authority.

I started a thread with the article here, linked below, if you're interested:

Biden teases 14th Amendment "authority" on debt ceiling

(AXIOS) Biden teases 14th Amendment "authority" on debt ceiling Biden, who has previously said that he'd consider invoking the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling without an act of Congress, said Sunday that he thinks he has the "authority" to do so. "The question is could it be done and...

debatepolitics.com

The 14th is very clear that the government is obligated to pay its debts. Regardless, this corrupt SCOTUS would likely stop Biden simply because he's a Democrat.

Another example of the court having way too much power, and everyone regarding it as ultimate authority in all matters.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Have you noticed who has been refusing to negotiate for weeks? It isn't the Republicans.

Incorrect, the republicans have stuck to the bill from the house and have not budged.

 

[Blue Dog]

The 14th is very clear that the government is obligated to pay its debts. Regardless, this corrupt SCOTUS would likely stop Biden simply because he's a Democrat.

Another example of the court having way too much power, and everyone regarding it as ultimate authority in all matters.

Agreed. And it only takes five justices to say so….

 

[Chomsky]

The 14th is very clear that the government is obligated to pay its debts. Regardless, this corrupt SCOTUS would likely stop Biden simply because he's a Democrat.

Another example of the court having way too much power, and everyone regarding it as ultimate authority in all matters.

If it gets to the point Biden has to use the 14th, the credit rating & economy will already be doomed.

My hope, which will not be done, would be for Biden to cut a deal with McCarthy & Schumer that will legislatively remove the debt ceiling once & for all.

 

[Callen]

Have you noticed who has been refusing to negotiate for weeks? It isn't the Republicans.

I wonder if you know about the history Biden has with negotiating with Republicans on the debt ceiling and how that fashioned his position.

 

[Chomsky]

Have you noticed who has been refusing to negotiate for weeks? It isn't the Republicans.

Negotiate what?

The 117th Congress passed the budget into law, and now the House Speaker of the 118th Congress says he wants to re-legislate the previous Congress' budget?

As if this is to be negotiated?

Hrmph.