Biden diagnosed with ‘aggressive form’ of prostate cancer

[devildavid]

At Debate Politics, everyone gets a chance to lie about how they would act and when they take high road.

People like @nota bene and @dcsports will demonize for whatever they feel like outside of politics, then park their high road trucks in threads to kumabaya about how great that person was if they think they can brownie points. Others will join the band-wagon just to make themselves feel good about feeling good.

It is all such a silly exercise by chronically online people whose moral compass is dependent on optics and not necessarily doing the right thing.

Many here were diagnosing Biden with dementia and claiming his wife was guilty of some sort of elder abuse of him by propping him up. I fought them every inch of the way and I still call bullshit on all of it, despite any so called blockbuster revelations made in books to cash in on Biden’s downfall. The high road is full of phonies who get all sentimental when the person that they were personally ripping to shreds gets cancer or some other terrible disease. I don’t take that high road because I won’t pretend to care only when it is convenient. So if a certain president gets a major health problem I won’t be here pretending to care.

 

[yankintx]

From the American Cancer Association:

Can Prostate Cancer Be Found Early? | How to Detect Prostate Cancer?

Prostate cancer in men can often be found early, when it is most likely to be cured. Learn more about screening options and early detection here.

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I am not sure what tests President Biden had been administered. But damn to had spread to his bones, and so quickly. It's alarming to say the least.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

I am not sure what tests President Biden had been administered. But damn to had spread to his bones, and so quickly. It's alarming to say the least.

Yes. It's very sad.

 

[yankintx]

You said it, man. I am MAGA and I watch FOX News....all the time.

Yup, yes siree, that is me. I even bought a tiny Make America Great Again hat that I make the bald eagle visiting me every morning wear.

Yup, I are the MAGA man.

All the time ?

It's not something I would parade, others such as myself gather facts and base OUR own opinions. No need frim MSM,,or help from talking heads, others such as yourself brag of the fact you need assistance.

Best of luck

 

[Hatuey]

Many here were diagnosing Biden with dementia and claiming his wife was guilty of some sort of elder abuse of him by propping him up. I fought them every inch of the way and I still call bullshit on all of it, despite any so called blockbuster revelations made in books to cash in on Biden’s downfall. The high road is full of phonies who get all sentimental when the person that they were personally ripping to shreds gets cancer or some other terrible disease. I don’t take that high road because I won’t pretend to care only when it is convenient. So if a certain president gets a major health problem I won’t be here pretending to care.

I think Alex Jones is a horrible human being for tormenting the families of people who lost kids in school shootings.

If he got cancer or was near death, I'd be super happy. I wouldn't sit here waxing poetically about how my disagreements with him were political only. That dude is a piece of shit in life, and will be one when and after he dies.

There are people who get cancer, and I am sad because they are good people who I wouldn't shit on alive or dead. I just couldn't talk a whole bunch of shit about someone while they were alive, then trip over myself to tell everyone how good they were when they die.

That is just SO common at Debate Politics though. Embarrasing really.

 

[dcsports]

At Debate Politics, everyone gets a chance to lie about how they would act and when they take high road.

People like @nota bene and @dcsports will demonize for whatever they feel like outside of politics, then park their high road trucks in threads to kumabaya about how great that person was if they think they can get brownie points. Others will join the band-wagon just to make themselves feel good about feeling good like @yankintx .

It is all such a silly exercise by chronically online people whose moral compass is dependent on optics and not necessarily doing the right thing. I am sure Joe Biden couldn't give less of a **** if people who called him and his family criminals send him their best wishes in this difficult time for him and his family.

Again, this exchange says more about you than anyone else here. I can disagree with Biden's politics, and with his ability to perform his duties - and not have any ill will toward him as a person. I've never 'demonized' him. I would recommend focusing on facts and actions over this mud slinging.

Responding because of your disparaging comment specifically about me. I'm not interested in continuing an exchange. Good luck to you.

 

[Hatuey]

All the time ?

It's not something I would parade, others such as myself gather facts and base OUR own opinions. Without the help of talking heads, others such as yourself brag of the fact you need assistance.

Yup, I am the MAGA man. I wear an American flag onesie to sleep, and there is a cardboard cutout of Trump's golden statue on my livingroom to watch me when I watch Trump on FOX News.

This is me, MAGA man.

 

[yankintx]

Yup, I am the MAGA man. I wear an American flag onesie to sleep, and there is a cardboard cutout of Trump's golden statue on my livingroom to watch me when I watch Trump on FOX News.

This is me, MAGA man.

Uhm ok

 

[Hatuey]

Again, this exchange says more about you than anyone else here. I can disagree with Biden's politics, and with his ability to perform his duties - and not have any ill will toward him as a person. I've never 'demonized' him. I would recommend focusing on facts and actions over this mud slinging.

Responding because of your disparaging comment specifically about me. I'm not interested in continuing an exchange. Good luck to you.

Well at least you aren't denying that your comments on Biden's senility are what you think counts as political discussion.

It is wild work my guy.

 

[yankintx]

Well at least you aren't denying that your comments on Biden's senility are what you think counts as political discussion.

It is wild work my guy.

Pay attention to the title of the thread, there are other threads to comment and add to discussions on President Bidens cognition.

This is not one of them.

 

[dcsports]

I've repeated over and over again how it can happen. But where are you getting that it was missed by two physicals? Last year he did not have cancer. This year he does.



How do you know exactly what kind of medical attention he receives as president? He's allowed to say no, you know. He isn't forced to lie down and have a physical.



Correct...



Correct.



It probably is. As has been gone over again and again.



Or not. It can take months to metastisize. Where are you getting all this "medical information"? LOL. This largely depends upon the type of prostate cancer.



https://www.healthline.com/health/prostate-cancer/aggressive-prostate-cancer#growth-rate



No, it does not seem unlikely that an *aggressive cancer* -- which by definition is fast-moving and very quickly invasive -- "JUST" happened. It is possible it happened, say, a couple of months ago (the diagnosis) and he did not immediately pull up his shorts at the doctor's office and rush to inform the public of his private medical status, sure. Are you saying that a former president or someone at the end of his presidency is required to immediately make public his medical status? [deflection removed]

Much of this is simply argumentative. I'm not going to argue with you. Just pointing out the inconsistency here - as experts have done in the media.

He had a physical in February 2024, so presumably he would have had one again in February 2025 (ish). And as president he was seen frequently by a physician.

Again, 'aggressive' prostate cancer still normally follows a progression of years, and it's unusual that routine testing wouldn't have caught it. And no, he doesn't have to disclose anything as a past president, but if he had it while he was president (and a candidate) it clearly would have the potential to impact his ability to do his job - and certainly to continue it for another four years.

 

[Hatuey]

Pay attention to the title of the thread, there are other threads to comment and add to discussions on President Bidens cognition.

This is not one of them.

The thread is about Biden's health with many well wishers. I am talking about the people who are well wishing Biden while having talked shit about his health.

Don't like it? Report it.

 

[dcsports]

No, its actually normal to miss it and he passed it. Hell you actually believed he skipped 2 physicals when he dud not skip his physicals

good grief. I already clarified this once. I did not say that Biden skipped two physicals. I said it was unlikely that advanced cancer would have been missed in two physicals.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

I think Alex Jones is a horrible human being for tormenting the families of people who lost kids in school shootings.

If he got cancer or was near death, I'd be super happy. I wouldn't sit here waxing poetically about how my disagreements with him were political only. That dude is a piece of shit in life, and will be one when and after he dies.

There are people who get cancer, and I am sad because they are good people who I wouldn't shit on alive or dead. I just couldn't talk a whole bunch of shit about someone while they were alive, then trip over myself to tell everyone how good they were when they die.

That is just SO common at Debate Politics though. Embarrasing really.

You seem to be the kind of person that judges people very deeply by your own standards and then meets out or justifies withholding compassion based on the that judgment.

I've been around the sun the handful of times and I've personally noticed this comes from a place of deep inner conflict usually.

I wouldn't expect this comment to be well received, but I kind of hope it comes in handy someday. The thought has for me in the past.

 

[Hatuey]

Much of this is simply argumentative. I'm not going to argue with you. Just pointing out the inconsistency here - as experts have done in the media.

He had a physical in February 2024, so presumably he would have had one again in February 2025 (ish). And as president he was seen frequently by a physician.

Again, 'aggressive' prostate cancer still normally follows a progression of years, and it's unusual that routine testing wouldn't have caught it. And no, he doesn't have to disclose anything as a past president, but if he had it while he was president (and a candidate) it clearly would have the potential to impact his ability to do his job - and certainly to continue it for another four years.

How Quickly Does Cancer Spread?

A cancer diagnosis may prompt questions, like how quickly does cancer spread? Learn which the factors that impact the speed of cancer development.

www.cancercenter.com

While some cancers can indeed progress slowly, many aggressive cancers can grow and spread rapidly, even metastasizing before diagnosis. This rapid growth can be due to factors like genetic changes within the cancer cells.

Your Trump University degree in medicine is not serving you well. The idea that aggressive cancers take years to develop is a myth.

 

[Helix]

You don't understand how an aggressive cancer moved fast?

Or the fact that a zillion older men without cancer have trouble peeing?

We lost a close member of my wife's family to cancer years ago. Even with multiple cutting edge treatments, diagnosis to death was less than a year.

I hate cancer.

 

[Hatuey]

You seem to be the kind of person that judges people very deeply by your own standards and then meets out or justifies withholding compassion based on the that judgment.

I've been around the sun the handful of times and I've personally noticed this comes from a place of deep inner conflict usually.

I wouldn't expect this comment to be well received, but I kind of hope it comes in handy someday. The thought has for me in the past.

I do not need to be compassionate towards pieces of shit like Alex Jones.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

Much of this is simply argumentative. I'm not going to argue with you. Just pointing out the inconsistency here - as experts have done in the media.

He had a physical in February 2024, so presumably he would have had one again in February 2025 (ish). And as president he was seen frequently by a physician.

Again, 'aggressive' prostate cancer still normally follows a progression of years,

No it does not, as I posted, including a link.

and it's unusual that routine testing wouldn't have caught it.

No it is not, as I posted, including a link.

And no, he doesn't have to disclose anything as a past president, but if he had it while he was president (and a candidate) it clearly would have the potential to impact his ability to do his job - and certainly to continue it for another four years.

Yes, and that's why MAGAs are so giddy at this prospect, because then they can call a dying man a liar too. Unfortunately, it takes ignoring the facts of aggressive prostate cancer to do so.

But that's obviously not stopping anybody.

 

[dcsports]

How Quickly Does Cancer Spread?

A cancer diagnosis may prompt questions, like how quickly does cancer spread? Learn which the factors that impact the speed of cancer development.

www.cancercenter.com

While some cancers can indeed progress slowly, many aggressive cancers can grow and spread rapidly, even metastasizing before diagnosis. This rapid growth can be due to factors like genetic changes within the cancer cells.
[deflection removed]

I never said that cancer can't grow fast before it could be detected - I said it's unlikely that prostate cancer would grow that fast. Thanks for supporting the poing.

Doctors consider certain factors to predict cancer progression, including:

• The type and location of the cancer
• The cancer’s stage
• The cancer’s grade (how abnormal cancer cells look under a microscope)
• Certain other characteristics of the cancer, such as gene mutations and hormonal status

...

Some slow-growing cancer types include:

• Colorectal cancers
• Low-grade breast cancers, such as estrogen receptor-positive breast cancer (ER+) and human epidermal growth factor receptor 2-negative breast cancer (HER2-)
• Most types of prostate cancer

Certain cancers, like prostate cancer, may grow so slowly that your doctor may recommend a wait-and-see approach called “active surveillance” or “watchful waiting” rather than immediate treatment.

 

[Absentglare]

I think that everybody should take the high road here.

That’s what people are criticizing here, though.

You make fun of Biden for being an old man, make up conspiracy theories about him and his son, relentlessly harp on all these lies to hurt him, and then he gets cancer and then *boom* it’s suddenly take the high road.

You can’t spit in someone’s face, shit on their life’s work, and then turn around and pretend you’re on the high road. Nobody has to buy that bullshit and it does no favors to placate a delusional sense of self.

Cancer isn't one-size-fits-all, and neither are its treatments and expectations. When my little sister was diagnosed with Stage IV pancreatic, it had already metastasized. She infuriated her VA doctors (some of whom were also on staff at Sloan-Kettering) by refusing anything but palliative treatment. She was gone 4 months later, and we were glad and so grateful. I still am. But breast cancers aren't always a death sentence; our baby sister is a 15+ year survivor. Prostate cancer isn't necessarily one either, but metastasis is what it is.

Only insiders knew that the late Queen Elizabeth II had been suffering from bone cancer for a year or so. All that was said publicly was that Her Majesty was suffering from "mobility issues." Maybe the Biden situation is similar? I do find difficult to believe that a sitting President wouldn't have routine physicals, but it's his private medical information and his spouse's duty to be protective of that and of him. Why is this information being released?

You’re right, there are real problems in this world, real horrible things that happen. Maybe the next time there’s a partisan shit-slinging contest about, say, the medicaid cuts, you try to find that high road there, where it counts for something more than your ego.

 

[Hatuey]

I never said that cancer can't grow fast before it could be detected - I said it's unlikely that prostate cancer would grow that fast. Thanks for supporting the poing.

What type of prostate cancer does Joe Biden have?

 

[cAPSLOCK]

I do not need to be compassionate towards pieces of shit like Alex Jones.

I see that.

 

[dcsports]

No it does not, as I posted, including a link.

No it is not, as I posted, including a link.

Your link doesn't say that though. I've seen a number - including the one provided by Hatuey - that talk about prostate cancer generally being one of the slowest growing types.

Again - not trying to create a fight. Pointing out a clear inconsistency here that experts in the media have also noted.

Yes, and that's why MAGAs are so giddy at this prospect, because then they can call a dying man a liar too. Unfortunately, it takes ignoring the facts of aggressive prostate cancer to do so.

But that's obviously not stopping anybody.

"MAGA" is a straw man of the left, so I can't speak to that. And no need for the hyperbolic language. It IS however, becoming increasingly clear that Biden was in no shape to continue in his role another four years, and that he and those close to him were lying.

 

[yankintx]

Your link doesn't say that though. I've seen a number - including the one provided by Hatuey - that talk about prostate cancer generally being one of the slowest growing types.

Again - not trying to create a fight. Pointing out a clear inconsistency here that experts in the media have also noted.


"MAGA" is a straw man of the left, so I can't speak to that. And no need for the hyperbolic language. It IS however, becoming increasingly clear that Biden was in no shape to continue in his role another four years, and that he and those close to him were lying.

I am not a physician, but it the cancer has spread to his bones so quickly, it's not a good prognosis.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

My father actually died of a aggressive prostate cancer. It is interesting that even in his case, it took about six years, I think, from the time they tried to treat it with radiation to the time it finally got him.

It's a terrible road. That one at the end, it's horrible, I guess all cancers really are.

Having thought about the situation with President Biden overnight, I think it's also reasonable to assume this was known about for some time before it was released at the public. It was most likely being treated. I don't know. I haven't read all the details of this story, but the way that it's being revealed does sort of seem late.

And I think this might make sense, actually. I mean, first of all, it's a very personal thing. But secondly, we don't typically want the public to lose faith in our leaders even when they are on the sidelines as he was towards the end. I don't know. It's an interesting thing to think about.

I think it's still very important to remain compassionate for him and his family, at least for me. And in spite of the fact I was not really a fan of his, that means nothing. This is a hard thing to have to go through.