BIBLE PROPHECY: what are we looking for

[digsbe]

Digs...I think she just did. And she did it well.

It's not a comfortable comparison but it was a valid one. I think the point she was making was that prophecies tend to be self fulfilling once they become an ingrained image in the cultural mind.

The Jetsons wasn't making prophecies though, and it was when we already had formulated technology and ideas regarding that. The Romans didn't destroy the Temple after Jesus died simply because Jesus said they would and they decided to self fulfill that. Using a plow to fulfill a prophecy that Jerusalem would be plowed like a field also did not happen just because someone prophecies it. The Jetsons deals with futuristic technology, but not supernatural prophecies. I've experienced prophecies in my own life that have come true as well. The book of Daniel is extremely prophetic and all of those prophecies were fulfilled hundreds of years later to the very words.

 

[rivrrat]

You can't compare the Jetsons to the Bible. Respond to my content with an illogical comparison really isn't doing much to change my mind or address the facts of Biblical prophecy.

Would you like some Edgar Cayce and Nostradamus prophecies next?

 

[jallman]

The Jetsons wasn't making prophecies though, and it was when we already had formulated technology and ideas regarding that.

Really? In the 60's, we had technology that formulated virtual pets and video conferencing? I would love to see that technology and know how they kept it hidden until the mid 80's.

The Romans didn't destroy the Temple after Jesus died simply because Jesus said they would and they decided to self fulfill that.

No, the Romans destroyed any temple of any religion that refused to assimilate into their pantheon. It wasn't like it was a profound prediction that a Jew, knowing that Jewish people would not permit assimilation of their God into the Roman Pantheon, predicted the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem.

Using a plow to fulfill a prophecy that Jerusalem would be plowed like a field also did not happen just because someone prophecies it.

Well I predict this afternoon that I will be using a plow to plow part of Los Angeles like a field this afternoon. It's gonna come true when I plant more grass seed.

Plows were not an uncommon thing. Not really impressed at the prediction of a plow running through Jerusalem.

The Jetsons deals with futuristic technology, but not supernatural prophecies.

There's nothing supernatural about a plow in a city or Romans destroying a temple.

I've experienced prophecies in my own life that have come true as well.

So did you arrive at these prophecies through a medium, a Ouija board, a fortune cookie, or a tarot deck?

The book of Daniel is extremely prophetic and all of those prophecies were fulfilled hundreds of years later to the very words.

The book of Daniel is as vague as Miss Cleo. I can predict that a flood will hit Taiwan just before the birth of a great leader, too. Pretty much any national leader that follows any flood will do when claiming fulfillment of the prophecy.

 

[dadman]

Dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold.
They said to you, In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires ..
These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit ..

But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit ..
Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ
to bring you to eternal life ..
Be merciful to those who doubt .. snatch others from the fire and save them;
to others show mercy, mixed with fear .. hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

 

[dadman]

"I will take you ( the Jews ) from the nations, gather you from all the lands, and bring you into your own land."
Ezekiel 36:24

When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies,
you will know that its desolation is near.
Luke 21:20

And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people.
Zechariah 12:3

Nation ( ethnic ) will rise against nation ( ethnic ), and kingdom against kingdom.
Luke 21:10

There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places,
and fearful events and great signs from heaven.
Luke 21:11

On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.
Luke 21:25

There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars.
Luke 21:25

Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world,
for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
Luke 21:26

When you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.
Luke 21:31

 

[Catz Part Deux]

When you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.
Luke 21:31 [/I][/COLOR]

"My kingdom is not of this world." John 18:36

 

[MrFungus420]

***SNIP***

Could you please stop with the colour and italics.

It makes it more work for those of us who actually try to quote people properly.

 

[dadman]

tough . . . deal with it

 

[MrFungus420]

"I will take you ( the Jews ) from the nations, gather you from all the lands, and bring you into your own land."
Ezekiel 36:24

Funny, I thought that the Jewish people were still scattered across the globe.

You see, if it hasn't happened. it's not a fulfilled prophecy.

When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies,
you will know that its desolation is near.
Luke 21:20

Kind of like it's been since the Jew and the Christians started arguing over it (and then got worse with the Muslims)?

If it's been happening for centuries, then it fails the "desolation is near" part.

And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people.
Zechariah 12:3

Well, it's not. So what's your point.

Nation ( ethnic ) will rise against nation ( ethnic ), and kingdom against kingdom.
Luke 21:10

Here's a challenge. Find a 20 year period in the entirety of human history without a war.

If it's something that always happens, it's not a prophecy.

There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places,
and fearful events and great signs from heaven.
Luke 21:11

See above.

On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.
Luke 21:25

Completely meaningless.

There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars.
Luke 21:25

No signs.

Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world,
for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
Luke 21:26

Right...

Tell me when the stars get shaken...

When you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.
Luke 21:31

So, let's look at your list:

Hasn't happened, always happens, hasn't happened, always happens, always happened, meaningless, hasn't happened, hasn't happened.

 

[MrFungus420]

tough . . . deal with it

Nice Christian reply to a polite request...

 

[Manc Skipper]

So, let's look at your list:

Hasn't happened, always happens, hasn't happened, always happens, always happened, meaningless, hasn't happened, hasn't happened.

This reminds me of the phrase "Consistency is only virtue if you are not wrong."

 

[Manc Skipper]

Double post.

 

[Caine]

This is the kinda guy who would find a family member dead in the house, and think that they can pray them back to life (true story from a 911 all), and walk them around and hold ritual praying over their body and the lawwrd would bring them back.

 

[Catz Part Deux]

This is the kind of guy who'd self-circumcise because the Bible told him too.

 

[digsbe]

Did it ever occur that maybe the end isn't near? Biblical prophecies have been fulfilled. Jesus even prophecies about the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem (which happened in both 70AD and near 130AD). But about Israel, God did gather the Jews and give them their own nation again, the prophecy didn't say "all Jews." Regardless, as a Christian I see Israel's creation as an act of God just as the Bible said it would happen. The Temple will be rebuilt as well in the end times.

 

[Catz Part Deux]

Did it ever occur that maybe the end isn't near? Biblical prophecies have been fulfilled. Jesus even prophecies about the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem (which happened in both 70AD and near 130AD). But about Israel, God did gather the Jews and give them their own nation again, the prophecy didn't say "all Jews." Regardless, as a Christian I see Israel's creation as an act of God just as the Bible said it would happen. The Temple will be rebuilt as well in the end times.

Don't hold your breath, Digsbe.

 

[digsbe]

Don't hold your breath, Digsbe.

I'm not, honestly I doubt the end will happen in my lifetime.

 

[Catz Part Deux]

I'm not, honestly I doubt the end will happen in my lifetime.

I doubt the end will happen, unless we off ourselves.

 

[stekim]

I doubt the end will happen, unless we off ourselves.

The end will happen. it won't have anything to do with invisible sky gods, however. We'll destroy the planet ourselves. And, of course, at some point the sun will burn out.

The reason the biblical end times crowd has been wrong for the last 2000+ years could very well be that the Bible is total bullocks. Just a thought.

 

[Ikari]

I can't believe that people still do this "end of time" crap. Sure, the Earth will end, the universe will end, everything ends at some point. There's no such thing as infinity. But religion has been trying to do this "end of time" scare tactic for a long long time now and it hasn't panned out. No wonder they say their god says they can't know the time and hour. Because varying religions have tried to predict it in the past only to be wrong.

Man, they really need to come up with a new bag.

 

[dadman]

Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name,

Really . . . Where is this 'coming' he promised? ..
Ever since our fathers died,
everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation

 

[danarhea]

According to the Bible .. we are not to know the day or the hour ..
but Jesus said that we will be able to discern the signs of the times (the season) ie:
the confirmation of the covenant ..
the building of a third Jewish temple ..
Nations aligning themselves against Israel etc . . .
I enjoy a broadcast that is aired M~F @ 3:00PM CST ..
The image I have displayed is a link to the End Time radio broadcast archives . .
Ervin Baxter-n-crew pay close attention to the news and issues that might pertain to endtime concerns ..
I would invite you to give a listen and learn

A good sign that the end times are upon us is the warning Jesus gave that there could not be an end time without a falling away first - Essentially, churches becoming apostate churches. We are seeing that now.

1) Many paragons of virtue, who would dare to press the government to regulate morality, being themselves caught up in sexual relations, both heterosexual and homosexual.

2) The widespread preaching of false teachings by televangelists, such as seed faith and "name it and claim it" which tells us that God is our cosmic gofer, who will make those who believe in them rich. Christ actually said that those who believe in him should take up their cross and follow him.

3) hundreds of millions of dollars spend on "megachurches", where no expense is spared to make them look good, while in the meantime, the poor go hungry. Christ said that whatever we do to the least of those (meaning the poor) we have done unto him.

I can give plenty more examples, but you get my drift.

Yes, the Bible says that, before the return of Christ, there must be a falling away from the faith, and the preaching of "doctrines of devils", before his return. It is easy to see what the great whore riding the beast in Revelations is. It is most of the church, which has abandoned Christ's teachings, and has married the state.

 

[scourge99]

It is easy to see what the great whore riding the beast in Revelations is. It is most of the church, which has abandoned Christ's teachings, and has married the state.

Prophecies can be construed however one pleases when there is no means by which to verify their claims. The only limit is your imagination.

 

[Geo Patric]

I would invite you to give a listen and learn

sorry, but the picture of so many sanctimonious sheep followers of Gee Sis! sitting around waiting and hoping for the devastation of this beautiful world and the torment of billions and billions of innocent human beings is beyond macbre... it is simply sick.

i am sure that Jesus of Nazareth would be ashamed to have his name associated with such a vile, irrational 'prophecy'.

geo.

 

[dadman]

Geo Patric: "sitting around waiting and hoping for the devastation of this beautiful world and the torment of billions and billions of innocent human beings is beyond macbre"

what an Idiot .. nobody is hoping for destruction you dipwad . . well . .
but when you finally realize the bridge is out . . . you can't say you hadn't been warned

I am sure that Jesus of Nazareth would be ashamed to have his name associated with such a vile, irrational 'prophecy'. ( try Matthew 24 )

Oh, I'm so sure that you're so sure of what Jesus is or is not ashamed of . . .
maybe you should actually read the scripture and familarize youself with who this Jesus really is ..
or are you truely in a box