Bias in Media or just a conspiracy theory?

[CLAX1911]

I never see any of y'all rejecting a single thing they tell you in your media.

Ever.

I'm sorry you don't see it

So could you give me an example of something you saw in your media that you rejected or downgraded due to bias?

yes. The first thing comes to mind is the oberfel decision was made to attack Christian people. That's ridiculous.

 

[CLAX1911]

Not an accident. Not organic in any way. Gingrich was instrumental in building what we see today as the Conservative Propaganda Complex, bringing the tools of manipulation openly onto the field of politics.

to think that that doesn't exist anywhere else especially among multi-billion dollar companies seems rather naive.

He changed how politics were done in DC. And his shitty tactics worked so well everybody went that way or lose. And here we are.

Now we have millions of people who have been propagandized into a reality all their own, complete with a recent history originating completely within their mediasphere.

So speak truth to power the most deadly thing for any propaganda is truth. That's why anytime you see massive propaganda it always coincides with massive censorship. You can't let truth undermine your propaganda.

 

[What if...?]

odd, that seems to be the message I get from mainstream media.
it happens all the time to everyone. Why do you think we're so divided? We're being lied to about what the other side believes. We're being lied to that we're on opposite sides. We're all Americans.

I am not being lied to about what you believe. You all tell me here. Over and over because its all Big Lie based on endless repetition.

You tell me what you believe. All of you. And I can see that everything you believe and want are the things republican donors want you to believe and want.

It's diabolically clever. But it's still both dangerous and so brute force basic that some of your fellow thralls have become deranged.

Have fun with them making your ideology look so ridiculous nobody will want to be on your team.

And guess what? The mainstream republicans and the trump faction are irrevocably shattered now. No reconciliation will be possible now. Which means talk radio conservatism is going to drag the mainstream republicans into political irrelevance for decades to come. Neither side can win without the other.

So trump finally did something i approve of.

 

[trouble13]

So any live news story or video on YouTube of people storming the Capital and breaking in is from the left to make Trump and his supports look bad.
They did that on their own without any help from the leftist news media as you see them.

Seems your rather have a websites that post news according to your view point rather then facts.

Tell me how the news coverage of a man for 4 years be negative 98% of the time and not be bias. But you go ahead and keep thinking you are getting objective journalism from your sources.

 

[What if...?]

to think that that doesn't exist anywhere else especially among multi-billion dollar companies seems rather naive.

So speak truth to power the most deadly thing for any propaganda is truth. That's why anytime you see massive propaganda it always coincides with massive censorship. You can't let truth undermine your propaganda.

You have no idea of the irony of this post.

 

[CLAX1911]

I am not being lied to about what you believe. You all tell me here. Over and over because its all Big Lie based on endless repetition.

okay what is it I believe and I'll tell you if you have it right or not.

You tell me what you believe. All of you. And I can see that everything you believe and want are the things republican donors want you to believe and want.

so again speak truth to power the antidote to propaganda is truth

It's diabolically clever. But it's still both dangerous and so brute force basic that some of your fellow thralls have become deranged.

there are deranged individuals from all walks of life. I'm assuming you're not deranged and I don't think I am. You and I should be agreeing on a commonality we shouldn't let The Fringe divide us.

Have fun with them making your ideology look so ridiculous nobody will want to be on your team.

I'm on team America. Until America we can disagree about politics and it doesn't mean we're bad people. We can have different ideas and protest that was the whole idea behind America.

This position isn't going to end until we decide to end it. You and me and everybody on this forum and everybody in the country.

And guess what? The mainstream republicans and the trump faction are irrevocably shattered now. No reconciliation will be possible now. Which means talk radio conservatism is going to drag the mainstream republicans into political irrelevance for decades to come. Neither side can win without the other.

So trump finally did something i approve of.

Party affiliation should be secondary. If we're being pitted against one another who do you think wins?

Again we're all Americans. I want the country to be prosperous and safe isn't that what you want I would assume so. Don't you want your part of the American dream I do. We don't have to be at each other's throats this week because we disagree on something like foreign policy or taxation.

 

[CLAX1911]

You have no idea of the irony of this post.

What speaking truth undermines propaganda? Propaganda is just a fancy word for a lie.

People are being lied to and you tell the truth they will understand that it's the truth. They might not be happy about it, but they will understand it.

Notice here I'm not accusing you of lying. I'm not accusing your news media sources of being propaganda. Just a bias because humans are biased.

Put down the sword I'm not at war with you we are Americans.

 

[What if...?]

okay what is it I believe and I'll tell you if you have it right or not.
so again speak truth to power the antidote to propaganda is truth
there are deranged individuals from all walks of life. I'm assuming you're not deranged and I don't think I am. You and I should be agreeing on a commonality we shouldn't let The Fringe divide us.
I'm on team America. Until America we can disagree about politics and it doesn't mean we're bad people. We can have different ideas and protest that was the whole idea behind America.

This position isn't going to end until we decide to end it. You and me and everybody on this forum and everybody in the country.



Party affiliation should be secondary. If we're being pitted against one another who do you think wins?

Again we're all Americans. I want the country to be prosperous and safe isn't that what you want I would assume so. Don't you want your part of the American dream I do. We don't have to be at each other's throats this week because we disagree on something like foreign policy or taxation.

Have you ever modified any of your positions based on information that ccame from sources outside the conservative mediasphere?

Because I never see that here either.

The only time I really see conservative media consumers reject narratives or characters is when they see it live with their own eyes.

 

[What if...?]

What time running speaking truth undermines propaganda? Propaganda is just a fancy word for a lie.

People are being lied to and you tell the truth they will understand that it's the truth. They might not be happy about it, but they will understand it.

Notice here I'm not accusing you of lying. I'm not accusing your news media sources of being propaganda. Just a bias because humans are biased.

Put down the sword I'm not at war with you we are Americans.

No. Propaganda is not a synonym for lying.

Propaganda is manipulation. Cynical manipulation based on over a hundred years of research into what makes us tick. Psychology, cognition, attention are all exploited with the sole goal of encouraging people to accept what they would reject or reject what they would embrace if they were simply told the truth. Leveraging fears and primary drives. Science not art. No other goal than to manipulate.

 

[CLAX1911]

Have you ever modified any of your positions based on information that ccame from sources outside the conservative mediasphere?

Absolutely. Do you want to hear about them?

Because I never see that here either.

I'll be happy to tell you about it but I'm not going to share the anecdote with you unless you're interested.

The only time I really see conservative media consumers reject narratives or characters is when they see it live with their own eyes.

I'll write you a list of people I can't stand to listen to that are all conservative media personalities and I can give you reasons why.

 

[CLAX1911]

No. Propaganda is not a synonym for lying.

Propaganda is manipulation. Cynical manipulation based on over a hundred years of research into what makes us tick. Psychology, cognition, attention are all exploited with the sole goal of encouraging people to accept what they would reject or reject what they would embrace if they were simply told the truth. Leveraging fears and primary drives. Science not art. No other goal than to manipulate.

What a lie is is to intentionally tell someone something that's false you don't think that's what propaganda is?

I'm aware of the lies people tell me about you because of your political alignment. They are trying to propagandize me.

I can talk directly to you and you can tell me what you think and believe just FYI I don't think that it is what I'm told it is by others. I think our differences are far outweighed by our commonality.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Tell me how the news coverage of a man for 4 years be negative 98% of the time and not be bias. But you go ahead and keep thinking you are getting objective journalism from your sources.

Oh please, you use the liberal media theory to ensure that no Republican elite like Trump ever has to be held accountable for anything they do.

Whenever you don't like something, like Trump losing the election, you use the liberal media to say that's not true and then the Trump mob takes that to its logical conclusion

You do not want a media that tells you facts, you want one that tells you anything that confirms your own assumptions.

I do not even like the MSM media, I listen to left-wing alternative media, but even the MSM is better than the pit of grifters the right-wing media is, the right-wing media cares about infotainment, not actual journalism.

 

[What if...?]

okay what is it I believe and I'll tell you if you have it right or not.
so again speak truth to power the antidote to propaganda is truth
there are deranged individuals from all walks of life. I'm assuming you're not deranged and I don't think I am. You and I should be agreeing on a commonality we shouldn't let The Fringe divide us.
I'm on team America. Until America we can disagree about politics and it doesn't mean we're bad people. We can have different ideas and protest that was the whole idea behind America.

This position isn't going to end until we decide to end it. You and me and everybody on this forum and everybody in the country.



Party affiliation should be secondary. If we're being pitted against one another who do you think wins?

Again we're all Americans. I want the country to be prosperous and safe isn't that what you want I would assume so. Don't you want your part of the American dream I do. We don't have to be at each other's throats this week because we disagree on something like foreign policy or taxation.

But we are because an asshole could not accept defeat. So he told y'all lies about fraud and millions lapped it up. So much that he goaded some into raiding the Capitol.

I would love to see us get back together.

But you have to understand, you do not live in the same world the rest of us do anymore. The whole world, not just your political opponents. All of us have a reality that cleaves fairly close to everybody else's. Yours does not. And it only exists as a "thing" in conservative media and the minds of it's audience.

I have pretty much had to abandon trying to reason with y'all. I'm trying discordian tactics to see if anything makes a spring break or a hose burst in the narratives they spit out far too quickly due to trump.

Cuz y'all are the Borg now.

 

[CLAX1911]

But we are because an asshole could not accept defeat. So he told y'all lies about fraud and millions lapped it up. So much that he goaded some into raiding the Capitol.

I would love to see us get back together.

Me to. It starts like this.

But you have to understand, you do not live in the same world the rest of us do anymore. The whole world, not just your political opponents. All of us have a reality that cleaves fairly close to everybody else's. Yours does not. And it only exists as a "thing" in conservative media and the minds of it's audience.

I have pretty much had to abandon trying to reason with y'all. I'm trying discordian tactics to see if anything makes a spring break or a hose burst in the narratives they spit out far too quickly due to trump.

Cuz y'all are the Borg now.

that's exactly what conservatives say about you. If you expect other people to understand they've been manipulated you have to be willing to accept that you might have been as well.

I don't think you're borg. You have to let that go in order for us to reconcile. I'm willing to give. Because I don't want my country torn apart.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Me to. It starts like this.
that's exactly what conservatives say about you. If you expect other people to understand they've been manipulated you have to be willing to accept that you might have been as well.

I don't think you're borg. You have to let that go in order for us to reconcile. I'm willing to give. Because I don't want my country torn apart.

You guys have a funny way of showing that, considering conservatives talked of owning the libs and liberal tears endlessly for the past 4 years. So was owning the libs for 4 years worth it, when it caused violence at the Capitol?

 

[CLAX1911]

You guys have a funny way of showing that, considering conservatives talked of owning the libs and liberal tears endlessly for the past 4 years. So was owning the libs for 4 years worth it, when it caused violence at the Capitol?

That's true there are a lot of conservatives that are most obsessed with owning the libs, I'm not. What happened at the Capitol should have never happened. There are jackasses in every party.

I don't expect you to apologize for any of the riots or anything that happened with regard to left-wing things we both have dances and morons among our ranks. We shouldn't defend them

 

[Individual]

Me to. It starts like this.
that's exactly what conservatives say about you. If you expect other people to understand they've been manipulated you have to be willing to accept that you might have been as well.

I don't think you're borg. You have to let that go in order for us to reconcile. I'm willing to give. Because I don't want my country torn apart.

More often than NOT, U.S. government elections result in one A-hole winning and another A-hole losing.

I had to google to find out what the 4377 being Borg meant, and IMO it would be more definitive of the Left (collectivists) then of the Right (individualists).
Bias exists in every living human, and conspiracies exist both covertly and overtly, while the former can be very difficult to prove or disprove.

The 60's mantra was "Make Love Not War", and today it seems to have become "Make Money Not War".
In today's world where people can communicate and travel great distances very rapidly, if not nearly instantly, we are engaged perpetually in an economic war which I, and many others, find can result in winning economically while losing politically. The only real losers are found in the working middle class, resulting from currency devaluation, inflation, and debts.

 

[trouble13]

Oh please, you use the liberal media theory to ensure that no Republican elite like Trump ever has to be held accountable for anything they do.

Whenever you don't like something, like Trump losing the election, you use the liberal media to say that's not true and then the Trump mob takes that to its logical conclusion

You do not want a media that tells you facts, you want one that tells you anything that confirms your own assumptions.

I do not even like the MSM media, I listen to left-wing alternative media, but even the MSM is better than the pit of grifters the right-wing media is, the right-wing media cares about infotainment, not actual journalism.

Im not sure there has been anyone that the press has been more critical of, EVER.

When the coverage they give him is 98% negative it is pretty obvious they have a bias against him. We already gotten a preview of the kind of coverage they will provide about Biden. They will black out any story that implies anything negative about him and ask him hard hitting questions like what is his favorite flavor of ice cream. You can fool yourself into believing their brand of yellow journalism is objective but you are not gonna fool me into it.

The media is stuck backing Mr Magoo, no matter how big of a disaster he turns out to be. Because they are too deeply invested to admit any flaws he has. Admitting to them reflects on them and they will not sllow any of you to see them as fallible. That threatens their control over you. They are very comfortable with their followers voting exactly as they tell them to.
Really who can blame them, its a great gig if you can get the work. They do all your thinking for you and you happily obey, its makes life easy for both. They get all the things they want and you get your approval from them with a pat on the head. It really is the life.

Stay away from the Red Pill it will only cause you pain.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Im not sure there has been anyone that the press has been more critical of, EVER.

When the coverage they give him is 98% negative it is pretty obvious they have a bias against him. We already gotten a preview of the kind of coverage they will provide about Biden. They will black out any story that implies anything negative about him and ask him hard hitting questions like what is his favorite flavor of ice cream. You can fool yourself into believing their brand of yellow journalism is objective but you are not gonna fool me into it.

The media is stuck backing Mr Magoo, no matter how big of a disaster he turns out to be. Because they are too deeply invested to admit any flaws he has. Admitting to them reflects on them and they will not sllow any of you to see them as fallible. That threatens their control over you. They are very comfortable with their followers voting exactly as they tell them to.
Really who can blame them, its a great gig if you can get the work. They do all your thinking for you and you happily obey, its makes life easy for both. They get all the things they want and you get your approval from them with a pat on the head. It really is the life.

Stay away from the Red Pill it will only cause you pain.

Yes its always the media's fault, nothing is ever the fault of Trump and his supporters because they perfect God beings who are incapable of sin and feel nothing but love of America. Personally responsible never applies to Trump or his supporters because they are incapable doing anything wrong.

All media that does not protray Trump perfect is Lügenpresse.

Lying press - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[rocket88]

When I listed all the news sites I go to such as NPR, BBC, Reuters, and Associated Press as well as other news sites like ABC, NBC, CBS, and Yahoo.

The reply was you literally just listed all left leaning MSM sources. Literally...every...single...one



Back before Trump's "Fake News" watching the morning news at breakfast before work or school, midday news at lunch or evening news at dinner time was trusted.

This is what communist countries do by suppressing news that is unfavorable to them and watch only news that lines up with what they want shown
Sadly some Trump supporters don't see that they are being brainwashed to follow the party line.

There is such a thing as bias, but Trumpists scream about whenever somebody writes something that's not his propaganda. So they took something real and turned it into a weapon against information.

 

[rocket88]

odd, that seems to be the message I get from mainstream media.
it happens all the time to everyone. Why do you think we're so divided? We're being lied to about what the other side believes. We're being lied to that we're on opposite sides. We're all Americans.

Trump himself did plenty of the "opposite sides" thing over tge last 4 years. And his cultists cheered.

We are not on the same side. Last week convinced me of that.

 

[Mika-El]

When I listed all the news sites I go to such as NPR, BBC, Reuters, and Associated Press as well as other news sites like ABC, NBC, CBS, and Yahoo.

The reply was you literally just listed all left leaning MSM sources. Literally...every...single...one



Back before Trump's "Fake News" watching the morning news at breakfast before work or school, midday news at lunch or evening news at dinner time was trusted.

This is what communist countries do by suppressing news that is unfavorable to them and watch only news that lines up with what they want shown
Sadly some Trump supporters don't see that they are being brainwashed to follow the party line.

Bias is literally in the eye of the beholder. As well, if you start off with the premises the media is bias when you do not agree with the conclusions its stories may make then you see bias of course.

In traditional history and journalism, an historian or journalist was only supposed to report what they saw-not make conclusions as to the motives behind it.

That ended when we had world wars as the media were taught to shape the meaning and message of reporting back war to bolster morale.

As wars and conflicts became more prevalent, so did the people offering theories for the behaviour creating the conflicts and today our media does not simply report what it sees, it tells you what you MUST SEE and BELIEVE using a story or event as the platform to get across this MUST SEE and BELIEVE message which is in fact editorialization.

So today in the academic world we have "new" historians" that remove events from their actual context to provide motives and opinions as to certain things they believe the event is indicative of and journalists don't just report they throw in their subjective analysis.

This is why its so hard to differentiate what happened from the messenger telling you what are the motives behind what happened.

In the case of Trump followers they bought into Hitlerian tactics first perfected by German film makers and then Joseph Goebels where the media and images were used to stage and shape events to suit specific narratives and that is what Trump did. Like most narcissists he needs the media to reflect his own image and nothing but his own image and the extension of his image are his beliefs. Anyone who disagrees with him, is wrong and comes up with false conclusions.

There is an irony here. You have Trump getting elected claiming he was the anti-media and the "truth". Yet in 4 years, he substantiated over 20,000 falsehoods on public media and culminated his term in office presenting an allegation with NO PROOF. To this day on this foru, Trump supporters require no proof of what he has claimed. As long as he said something, it must be true to them. So if you repeat what he said, it has to be true.

When history looks back and reviews the cause and effects and behaviour Trump triggered they will learn yet again how easy it is to manipulate and control people's expectations and behaviour by simply appealing to their anger, things they hate, things they feel they have no control over and claiming you will eradicate such things.

I also agree with you that what Trump did is what any non democratic leader does-repress debate and that is classic of all totalitarian regimes, facist and communist or unfortunately with many people today who have no idea what ideology they are but are frightened of a world they see as threatening and in need of a messiah to tame.

 

[briar rose]

Bias is literally in the eye of the beholder. As well, if you start off with the premises the media is bias when you do not agree with the conclusions its stories may make then you see bias of course.

In traditional history and journalism, an historian or journalist was only supposed to report what they saw-not make conclusions as to the motives behind it.

That ended when we had world wars as the media were taught to shape the meaning and message of reporting back war to bolster morale.

As wars and conflicts became more prevalent, so did the people offering theories for the behaviour creating the conflicts and today our media does not simply report what it sees, it tells you what you MUST SEE and BELIEVE using a story or event as the platform to get across this MUST SEE and BELIEVE message which is in fact editorialization.

So today in the academic world we have "new" historians" that remove events from their actual context to provide motives and opinions as to certain things they believe the event is indicative of and journalists don't just report they throw in their subjective analysis.

This is why its so hard to differentiate what happened from the messenger telling you what are the motives behind what happened.

In the case of Trump followers they bought into Hitlerian tactics first perfected by German film makers and then Joseph Goebels where the media and images were used to stage and shape events to suit specific narratives and that is what Trump did. Like most narcissists he needs the media to reflect his own image and nothing but his own image and the extension of his image are his beliefs. Anyone who disagrees with him, is wrong and comes up with false conclusions.

There is an irony here. You have Trump getting elected claiming he was the anti-media and the "truth". Yet in 4 years, he substantiated over 20,000 falsehoods on public media and culminated his term in office presenting an allegation with NO PROOF. To this day on this foru, Trump supporters require no proof of what he has claimed. As long as he said something, it must be true to them. So if you repeat what he said, it has to be true.

When history looks back and reviews the cause and effects and behaviour Trump triggered they will learn yet again how easy it is to manipulate and control people's expectations and behaviour by simply appealing to their anger, things they hate, things they feel they have no control over and claiming you will eradicate such things.

I also agree with you that what Trump did is what any non democratic leader does-repress debate and that is classic of all totalitarian regimes, facist and communist or unfortunately with many people today who have no idea what ideology they are but are frightened of a world they see as threatening and in need of a messiah to tame.

I was not talking about Trump

I was talking how people believe that mainstream media can not trusted anymore.

These people could be watching a live news story and still scream that it is biased because it doesn't fit their narrative of what they believe but based on fact.

Even if it came out of another country like England, India, France, Australia, Russia....

 

[CLAX1911]

Trump himself did plenty of the "opposite sides" thing over tge last 4 years. And his cultists cheered.

We are not on the same side. Last week convinced me of that.

So why are you letting Trump divide us? I refuse to be your enemy. I'm not interested in Civil War.

 

[Ringo Stalin]

A liberal is afraid to open the news in the morning: the storming of administrative buildings turns out to be illegal, then unjustified censorship is correct. What if it turns out that you can not attempt to kill the head of state, and Saddam Hussein had the right to repress the terrorists for whom he was hanged?