Bernie's Universal Healthcare saves families $1,200/year

[poweRob]

Boooyah!

Hillary's attacks on Bernie's healthcare is hilarious and falling apart.

Politifact Confirms Bernie Sanders’ Healthcare Plan Will SAVE Every American Family $1,200/Year

The nation’s leading political fact-checker has debunked Hillary Clinton’s recent attacks on Bernie Sanders’ healthcare plan.

According to Politifact’s recent analysis of Bernie Sanders’ proposal to expand Medicare to all Americans under his “Medicare for All” single-payer healthcare system, Sanders’ plan would save the average household between $505 and $1,823 per year — just shy of a $1,200 average cost savings.​

AND it save employers thousands.

Sanders also claims that the 6.6 percent payroll tax on employers would mean additional savings for businesses, as the Kaiser Family Foundation estimates the average business pays $12,591 in healthcare contributions for a worker making $50,000. A 6.6 percent payroll tax cuts the employer contribution down to $3,350 — a savings of over $9,000.​

And I'll leave you with this short Hillary vid from 2008:

 

[Ikari]

It is very possible to enact a single payer healthcare system in which everyone saves money overall and gives better access to healthcare. Whether or not that's what we'd get is a different story.

 

[LowDown]

Boooyah!

Hillary's attacks on Bernie's healthcare is hilarious and falling apart.

Politifact Confirms Bernie Sanders’ Healthcare Plan Will SAVE Every American Family $1,200/Year

The nation’s leading political fact-checker has debunked Hillary Clinton’s recent attacks on Bernie Sanders’ healthcare plan.

According to Politifact’s recent analysis of Bernie Sanders’ proposal to expand Medicare to all Americans under his “Medicare for All” single-payer healthcare system, Sanders’ plan would save the average household between $505 and $1,823 per year — just shy of a $1,200 average cost savings.​

AND it save employers thousands.

Sanders also claims that the 6.6 percent payroll tax on employers would mean additional savings for businesses, as the Kaiser Family Foundation estimates the average business pays $12,591 in healthcare contributions for a worker making $50,000. A 6.6 percent payroll tax cuts the employer contribution down to $3,350 — a savings of over $9,000.​

And I'll leave you with this short Hillary vid from 2008:

The Politifact article was not as positive about Sanders' proposal as you seem to imply.

His proposal for funding would only raise about half of the money that healthcare in the US costs. How would he make up the difference? Presumably he'd be thinking about cutting providers, hospitals, clinics and other services. That would mean British style health care with long waiting lists, limited formularies, limits or a total lack of certain advanced treatments, etc. Cutting physician pay would cause a lot of them to go out of business and so that source of care would be lost entirely. There is no proposal for limiting malpractice suits, so the biggest fixed cost most surgeons face would not be reduced. They can't stay in practice for long with a negative balance. I hope people are willing to do without neurosurgeons and orthopedic surgeons.

He doesn't say whether patients would be responsible for deductibles or co-pays.

There is no guarantee that this plan would result in the same quantity or quality of medical care. Most likely the American public would be expected to make big sacrifices along that line to get these savings. Either that or they would pay a lot more for single payer than Sanders says.

According to Politifact:

While Sanders argues that single-payer will make the health system more efficient, "we have seen no evidence of this from the Medicare program, whose cost has grown substantially faster than the economy for most of the last 50 years," Antos said.

Second, reduced costs could also create issues with access. Lower drug prices limit funding for research and development, lower physicians’ salaries disincentivize people going into medicine, lower fees could bankrupt hospitals, and people would have less choice in health plans.

 

[Moderate Right]

Sounds like the same crap we heard about Obamcare in the beginning. We'll never get cheaper healthcare until someone somewhere addresses the root causes of why costs go up. We need to look at it from a bottom up perspective instead of a top down perspective. We keep on wanting to blame the health insurance companies and the providers but the fact is all of their costs are going up exponentially and that's why their prices get higher and higher. The solution isn't paying the health insurance companies and the providers less money as socialized medicine does, but to put policies in place that addresses their costs from going up so they don't have to charge the prices they charge.


I just don't see how you could switch to a single payer system because that bypasses the health insurance companies altogether and puts them and their millions of employees out of business. This is exactly what the liberals talk about in wanting to grow the economy by adding more and more debt to grow the economy instead of cutting federal programs, which contracts the economy and puts a lot of people out of work and closing down large businesses at the same time. This is exactly what would happen by switching to a single payer system and yet the liberals don't seem to mind doing that.