Bernie talks population control through abortion.

[devildavid]

Nobody said he did.
But he also didn't object to the concept.

He wasn't presented with the concept. Mandatory abortion was not suggested in the question he answered.

 

[Athanasius68]

So where is the link to the quote?

Read the question asked of him. Sanders wasn't being asked his opinion of abortion rights. Nor is his opinion about it particularly "poisonous" in the political world.
But what is "poisonous" in the political world is the idea of population control via abortion.
That's what Sanders is positive about.

 

[AProudLefty]

That isn't what he was asked.

He was asked if he was willing to discuss the issue and he said yes. It all comes down to women's rights.

 

[Athanasius68]

He wasn't presented with the concept. Mandatory abortion was not suggested in the question he answered.

The concept and context was the alleged environmental catastrophe via overpopulation. A solution to the problem was what Sanders was asked about: abortion.
He answered in the affirmative.

 

[Athanasius68]

He was asked if he was willing to discuss the issue and he said yes. It all comes down to women's rights.

It was asked in a town hall about the environment. Is overpopulation a problem? Is it an environmental problem? Can abortion solve or alleviate that problem?
The woman who asked the question seems to think they are.
So does Sen. Sanders.

So in the spirit of the question, does "women's rights" trump the environment?

 

[AProudLefty]

Can abortion solve or alleviate that problem?

The question is not in there.

So in the spirit of the question, does "women's rights" trump the environment?

I have no idea what you are asking. Overpopulation does impact the ecosystem. Not giving aid to women who don't want more children is absurd within the context of overpopulation problem.

 

[CharisRose]

Because they know that the majority still view abortion as morally reprehensible and would not want to be associated with it. This is why they use the euphemism "Pro-Choice" rather than saying they advocate for abortion (and typically get rather upset when you point this out), and why many of the pro-abortion crowd typically preface their argument with "Well I wouldn't have one personally, but".

Thank You for pointing out all the ways they avoid complete honesty about what they actually advocate.

Note: The Name of the Organization they advocate for...

Planned Parenthood.

That name indicates that organization provides methods to prevent parenthood.

When those methods fail that is when the women needs to make a "choice".

That choice is do you want an abortion?

Now let's add to the mix...

Population Control/Climate Change:

QUOTES:

READYOFF:Good evening. Human population growth has more than doubled in the past 50 years. The planet cannot sustain this growth. I realize this is a poisonous topic for politicians, but it’s crucial to face. Empowering women and educating everyone on the need to curb population growth seems a reasonable campaign to enact. Would you be courageous enough to discuss this issue and make it a key feature of a plan to address climate catastrophe?

SANDERS: Well, Martha, the answer is yes. And the answer has everything to do with the fact that women in the United States of America, by the way, have a right to control their own bodies and make reproductive decisions.

And the Mexico City agreement, which denies American aid to those organizations around the world that are — that allow women to have abortions or even get involved in birth control, to me is totally absurd.

So I think, especially in poor countries around the world where women do not necessarily want to have large numbers of babies, and where they can have the opportunity through birth control to control the number of kids they have, it's something I very, very strongly support.

I can understand why the argument is being made that Bernie only used the words "Birth Control" in his last paragraph.

And that this somehow rules out abortion.

"Birth Control" Planned Parenthood pregnancy preventive methods.

Abortion is an extreme form of Birth Control when the "Birth Control" methods fail.

Abortions "control" is preventing "births" from happening when all other methods have failed.

Abortion is the final extreme choice made by women provided by Planned Parenthood.

Could being a "Pro-Choice" advocate include being a Pro-Abortion advocate?

My Answer is Yes.

By the way, Planned Parenthood....

When asking a woman to make their choice to abort the term used is "terminating a pregnancy".

The question is... Is, Bernie just a "Birth Control" "Pro-Choice" kind of guy?

Or, is he a total "Pro-Choice" woman's advocate which includes a woman's choice to say yes to an abortion?

Someone needs to pin him down concerning the abortion question being a women's choice in combination with population control and climate change.

And ask him how far he is willing to go to protect the planet from the climate catastrophe.

Roseann

 

[CharisRose]

I have more respect for people that are more open about what it is that they are advocating for.

In most cases, yes I am pro fetus as they are human life that deserves protection.

Planned Parenthood no longer uses the term fetus... the term is now terminating a pregnancy.

Roseann

 

[trixare4kids]

Too late; Bernie is a "marked" man ...

Just Google Bernie Sanders population control abortion

:lamo

:lamo

 

[trixare4kids]

The person asking the question of Sanders was claiming that there are too many people in the world and that it leads to environmental catastrophe.

All of the above rationalizations of responsibility are irrelevant. Sanders agreed with the proposition that too many people on Earth is a problem. And he endorsed abortion as a solution to that problem.

Yes, he did, and let's not allow anyone to tell us differently.
He's taking a beating for that remark!

 

[trixare4kids]

Well he's on the record now.

Bernie's feeling the burn.

Wow! What an idiot!!!

 

[RAMOSS]

What I read was Bernie referring to abortion AND birth control. Not that they were the same.

From a practical matter, birth control reduces abortion.

 

[WCH]

And that is a bald faced lie. Have you no shame?

Like "we aren't for open borders" or "We don't really want to take your guns"?

You have no right calling others liars.

 

[WCH]

51% or more of pro-abortion activists think that getting an abortion is a convenient form of birth control?

That sounds unlikely.

You can twist the definition or stats all you want...the results are the same.

 

[WCH]

This is the exchange.



WCH said MOST! Most is 51% or more. Simon W. Moon was questioning the 51% claim (notice the question mark). He didn't think that accurate

Obviously we're not going to get a majority to admit it either.

 

[marke]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/05/bernie-sanders-abortion-population-control/

I'm not really much of a pro-lifer but man, this seems like it could go very wrong to me.
C'mon Bernie...Birth control? WTF?

Population control is something leftists don't like to discuss. Because they don't believe the Bible they worry about climate disasters destroying the earth. That is nonsense. Besides, the Bible says the earth's climate will remain relatively unchanged until the last seven years and it won't matter about the climate then anyway. But secularists also fear overpopulation will destroy the planet as well, even though they do not like to talk about it. That may be one reason they want mothers to kill their babies.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Nope, that is not what I inferred.
Read what Martha asked Bernie for the meat of this discussion.

Context! Sanders answered yes, he would address the need to educating and empowering women to help with population control as it relates to what she perceives as the "climate catastrophe" as it relates to their use of birth control, including ABORTION to control that growth.
Sorry, but the government has NO business to educate women to use birth control, including ABORTION, to help curb the population.
That's eugenics... and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the O/P's opinion. He read it correctly.

Can you clarify the bolded part then?

 

[snakestretcher]

Wrong. The thrust of the question was using abortion NOT as a means of BIRTH CONTROL, but as POPULATION CONTROL.

Read: TO CURB POPULATION.

So, what populations do you think that affects? White American women? No...

How about poor black and brown women in 3rd-world countries. Yes...

Was there anything in the quotes about mandating population control? No, there was not.

 

[Athanasius68]

I have no idea what you are asking. Overpopulation does impact the ecosystem. Not giving aid to women who don't want more children is absurd within the context of overpopulation problem.

[/QUOTE]

Which is what Sanders is saying-- abortion itself is a positive good for society.

 

[Athanasius68]

Was there anything in the quotes about mandating population control? No, there was not.

The argument about abortion rights has been that it is an individual choice, based upon the values of the mother. The value to society is that the mother makes the decision, thus women are free to live their lives as they choose ect ect ect.-- you know the argument.

But Sanders is agreeing with the proposition that abortion itself is a positive for society; it can help save the environment by reducing overpopulation.

 

[snakestretcher]

The argument about abortion rights has been that it is an individual choice, based upon the values of the mother. The value to society is that the mother makes the decision, thus women are free to live their lives as they choose ect ect ect.-- you know the argument.

But Sanders is agreeing with the proposition that abortion itself is a positive for society; it can help save the environment by reducing overpopulation.

I don't see the problem here if a woman has made the choice, without coercion, to terminate her pregnancy. There is no suggestion of anything remotely mandatory in the commentary, only a tacit observation that the planet will become unsustainably overpopulated in time. More people living on less land; less available land to produce more food.

 

[Hypothetical]

Wrong. The thrust of the question was using abortion NOT as a means of BIRTH CONTROL, but as POPULATION CONTROL.

Read: TO CURB POPULATION.

So, what populations do you think that affects? White American women? No...

How about poor black and brown women in 3rd-world countries. Yes...

This pattern uses the same logic that about 3/4 of the leftist opinions on Trump's quotes and misstatements use.

according to them, this should be valid.

 

[vesper]

I did not watch the CNN charade for 7 hours on "Climate Crisis" and according to their ratings not many people tuned in. But I have certainly read a number of the comments made by the Democratic party candidates. Whether it is Bernie's comments on using abortion as a means of population control or the proposals of others one thing is evident among every one of them and that is they are all control freaks with a very long list of things they want banned and want to use the Federal government to be in control of every aspect of your life down to what is acceptable for you to eat. The whole pack of them are supporting fringe leftist totalitarian policies. The more they talk the more Independents and even Democrats are being turned off. And their front runner at the moment is showing signs of some serious health issues that even some in his own party are calling for him to release his health records.

 

[trixare4kids]

Can you clarify the bolded part then?

eta:
Strike eugenics because I don't believe Bernie to be a racist but he did say YES to the question of this woman who said,
"Empowering women and educating everyone on the need to curb population growth seems a reasonable campaign to enact,"

Fewer brown babies born in poorer countries via abortion is something he would support to curb population control. I don't think the gov. should be educating and empowering women not to have babies because there are too many people in the world.

 

[Praxas]

Fewer brown babies born in poorer countries via abortion is something he would support to curb population control.

So no white women ever get abortions huh?