Great thread & thanks for starting it - I was tossing around the idea of starting this same thread, but was too lazy.It's obvious Bernie will not get the Democrat nomination. My question is mainly geared to Bernie supporters and what they'd like to see him do after the convention.
Jill Stein has publicly asked Bernie to be her VP candidate several times in a bid to "keep the revolution going." Both of their political philosophies seem nearly identical.
I believe back in July the Dems promised to support the eventual nominee. Should Bernie hold to that and formally endorse and support Hillary Clinton for the presidency? Some argue Bernie was cheated by the Democrats which would make that past agreement null and void.
Should Bernie just retire? Or should he still continue to run as a presidential candidate and not as someone's VP?
If you chose other please give your opinion.
It's not "rigging" an election to convince people to support your favored candidate.
I think Bernie supporters know that the most political momentum goes to the Democratic party nominee. We have a sitting Democratic president who was reelected and a crude Republican platform on the opposite side of the stage.
As a congressman, Bernie Sanders does not stand to benefit by switching his party affiliation. I don't think he will go with Jill Stein to the Green Party convention (if there is such a thing). It's much more likely that he will endorse no candidate. It's not necessary for candidates to make an endorsement, so he might abstain. As a high profile political figure, it's unlikely that he will abstain from casting a vote, so I wouldn't be surprised if he voted, but did not endorse the Democratic Party nominee. The President and a former Republican senator endorsed Hillary Clinton. Democratic politicians of all levels endorse her. I don't think that the Bernie Sanders platform, after all of its establishment bashing will be content to acquiesce to an establishment politician of her nature.
Short of an indictment, Democratic Bernie supporters face the distinct possibility of having to vote outside the party. That doesn't really affect the voting process during the general election. I wouldn't be surprised if he just threw up his hands and said "vote for who you think is the best candidate," while saying that Trump should be defeated.
I think this will all become much more clear at the convention, where a vote will be contested of all unpledged delegates.
My post #2 outlines what I think he should do.I think Bernie supporters know that the most political momentum goes to the Democratic party nominee. We have a sitting Democratic president who was reelected and a crude Republican platform on the opposite side of the stage.
As a congressman, Bernie Sanders does not stand to benefit by switching his party affiliation. I don't think he will go with Jill Stein to the Green Party convention (if there is such a thing). It's much more likely that he will endorse no candidate. It's not necessary for candidates to make an endorsement, so he might abstain. As a high profile political figure, it's unlikely that he will abstain from casting a vote, so I wouldn't be surprised if he voted, but did not endorse the Democratic Party nominee. The President and a former Republican senator endorsed Hillary Clinton. Democratic politicians of all levels endorse her. I don't think that the Bernie Sanders platform, after all of its establishment bashing will be content to acquiesce to an establishment politician of her nature.
Short of an indictment, Democratic Bernie supporters face the distinct possibility of having to vote outside the party. That doesn't really affect the voting process during the general election. I wouldn't be surprised if he just threw up his hands and said "vote for who you think is the best candidate," while saying that Trump should be defeated.
I think this will all become much more clear at the convention, where a vote will be contested of all unpledged delegates.
My post #2 outlines what I think he should do.
But as part of that, what I believe he will do is: Bargain to extract concessions from HRC & the DNC in the form of party platform shaping and perhaps a place in the Clinton administration, where if he's satisfied he then can claim his accomplishments to his movement and ask for their support in supporting her.
It's obvious Bernie will not get the Democrat nomination. My question is mainly geared to Bernie supporters and what they'd like to see him do after the convention.
Jill Stein has publicly asked Bernie to be her VP candidate several times in a bid to "keep the revolution going." Both of their political philosophies seem nearly identical.
I believe back in July the Dems promised to support the eventual nominee. Should Bernie hold to that and formally endorse and support Hillary Clinton for the presidency? Some argue Bernie was cheated by the Democrats which would make that past agreement null and void.
Should Bernie just retire? Or should he still continue to run as a presidential candidate and not as someone's VP?
If you chose other please give your opinion.
Bernie Supports, What Should Bernie Do?
I hope somebody talks him into throwin in the towel. It was that idiot Ralph Nader who split the Democratic vote and gave the election to GW Bush.
I hope somebody talks him into throwin in the towel. It was that idiot Ralph Nader who split the Democratic vote and gave the election to GW Bush.
He and his supporters should support Hillary.
Wait, really?
I agree.Well if you're right that Sander's political organization comes with a price, then I would argue that bargaining has already taken place and will continue to do so until the convention in July, or the only meaningful bargaining price will be found during the convention. I suspect it is the latter, since Sanders has repeatedly asserted that he will vote against Trump. Unless he endorses Hillary, defeating Trump is not meaningful until the general election, and I don't think he will jump onto a third party ticket, even if offered the first spot. Idealistically, it would be the best scenario, but Sanders runs his own campaign. He's not planned to join Hillary or Jill in the past, and quite frankly I don't see either questions by news reporters or third party offers to be serious. The currency of activism might be meaningful dialog, but in order to engage in real, grassroots activism one needs real resources, and I think Bernie Sanders is the best candidate to have done so in 2016.
Sure. Do you not get that?
Other: Go to the convention and use the power of the delegates he did win to push for as many of the policies he ran for as possible.It's obvious Bernie will not get the Democrat nomination. My question is mainly geared to Bernie supporters and what they'd like to see him do after the convention.
Jill Stein has publicly asked Bernie to be her VP candidate several times in a bid to "keep the revolution going." Both of their political philosophies seem nearly identical.
I believe back in July the Dems promised to support the eventual nominee. Should Bernie hold to that and formally endorse and support Hillary Clinton for the presidency? Some argue Bernie was cheated by the Democrats which would make that past agreement null and void.
Should Bernie just retire? Or should he still continue to run as a presidential candidate and not as someone's VP?
If you chose other please give your opinion.
I was a kid then, so I wasn't in the know. I do know that my state (Florida) ****ed that election up though.
Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. He's been an Independent for his entire Senate career. He owes the Democratic Party nothing, and the Democratic Party has proven that it does not represent his values; he should not endorse Hillary Clinton and he should not surrender his campaign resources to Hillary Clinton's campaign.
I think what he chooses to do when his campaign is over while demonstrate what his true intentions in running for President were. If he endorses Clinton now, it will prove the conspiracy theorists who have been arguing that his only purpose in the election was to energize liberal voters to funnel them into the chosen candidate's camp.
Endorse Trump..
and of course the Republicans are screwed for this election.
Thank God.
It's obvious Bernie will not get the Democrat nomination. My question is mainly geared to Bernie supporters and what they'd like to see him do after the convention.
Jill Stein has publicly asked Bernie to be her VP candidate several times in a bid to "keep the revolution going." Both of their political philosophies seem nearly identical.
I believe back in July the Dems promised to support the eventual nominee. Should Bernie hold to that and formally endorse and support Hillary Clinton for the presidency? Some argue Bernie was cheated by the Democrats which would make that past agreement null and void.
Should Bernie just retire? Or should he still continue to run as a presidential candidate and not as someone's VP?
If you chose other please give your opinion.
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