• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Bernie Scores Decisive Win Against Hillary in Univision Debate

S

Surrealistik

DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 6, 2015
Messages
12,201
Reaction score
8,130
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
You don't get a standing ovation for a debate rebuttal and then lose.

That just doesn't happen.
 
Surrealistik said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhN9-u0a5mc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcOJTxFlP9M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGQQGTshgMk

Live Blog: Bernie Sanders Wins Democrats? 8th Debate as Hillary Clinton Remains Captive of Caution - Truthdig

Definitely agree with the above analysis.


Not even the typically pro-Hillary Vox can peg her as a winner: Univision Democratic debate in Miami: news and updates - Vox
Click to expand...

Is that really your take? I don't think so. It sounds more as though BS produced rather absurd policy demands and was called on them. That the two of them are an embarrassment to the US is obvious as are the two Republicans. The question is only, which one will do the lesser damage and brigs with them the greatest risks and dangers.
 
joG said:
Is that really your take? I don't think so. It sounds more as though BS produced rather absurd policy demands and was called on them. That the two of them are an embarrassment to the US is obvious as are the two Republicans. The question is only, which one will do the lesser damage and brigs with them the greatest risks and dangers.
Click to expand...

Actually yes, that is my take; Clinton got her clock cleaned, and those clips in the vids I linked were pretty much only the beginning of the beating she got throughout that debate. I don't think Sanders really fell flat on any of his answers in spite of your obvious dislike of the man and partisan opposition towards him.
 
Looks to me from online polling and reader commentary im seeing so far on Facebook's Univision page from Hispanic speakers is that Bernie won.
 
Surrealistik said:
Actually yes, that is my take; Clinton got her clock cleaned, and those clips in the vids I linked were pretty much only the beginning of the beating she got throughout that debate. I don't think Sanders really fell flat on any of his answers in spite of your obvious dislike of the man and partisan opposition towards him.
Click to expand...

I guess "nomen est omen", alright. ;)

PS: I am not at all partisan in this affair in the normal use of the word. It is only that BS' policies are economic idiocy.
 
joG said:
I guess "nomen est omen", alright.
Click to expand...

You can put it down to my name all you like, but outside of the most biased and pro-Hillary publications (Washington Post), the consensus of his win was more or less unanimous, even if it was at times grudging as in the case of Vox.
 
Surrealistik said:
You can put it down to my name all you like, but outside of the most biased and pro-Hillary publications (Washington Post), the consensus of his win was more or less unanimous, even if it was grudging as in the case of Vox.
Click to expand...

The NYT didn't seem to think so in an article I read earlier this morning. But, we shall see.
 
Surrealistik said:
You can put it down to my name all you like, but outside of the most biased and pro-Hillary publications (Washington Post), the consensus of his win was more or less unanimous, even if it was at times grudging as in the case of Vox.
Click to expand...

In terms of who "won" the debate or any debate for that matter I focus on how the answers and messaging will reflect on the people, not my own personal agreements or disagreements. Up until this point, Bernie has yet to take the gloves off and challenge Hillary a whole lot. I think he came out swinging tonight and landed a few good zingers which was evident by the standing ovation he received at the end. Also, the moderators were much tougher on Hillary than previous debates, which I think lead him into further openings.

This is the first debate I can decisively say Bernie "won." Hillary just got upstaged in Michigan and was on the defense.
 
joG said:
The NYT didn't seem to think so in an article I read earlier this morning. But, we shall see.
Click to expand...

No slight intended. It is only that calling oneself a "democratic socialist" implies a point of view as does the use of the word "surreal" in its various mutations.
 
akrunner88 said:
In terms of who "won" the debate or any debate for that matter I focus on how the answers and messaging will reflect on the people, not my own personal agreements or disagreements. Up until this point, Bernie has yet to take the gloves off and challenge Hillary a whole lot. I think he came out swinging tonight and landed a few good zingers which was evident by the standing ovation he received at the end. Also, the moderators were much tougher on Hillary than previous debates, which I think lead him into further openings.

This is the first debate I can decisively say Bernie "won." Hillary just got upstaged in Michigan and was on the defense.
Click to expand...

I too look at the substance of the answers; obviously bias will always colour the take away, but one strives to shape an outlook based on what actually happened.

I wouldn't say it's the first debate Bernie decisively won, but it's definitely the debate he won most obviously and blatantly. I would definitely agree it's the first time he has really and truly laid into her; this sort of necessary (and righteous) aggression was long overdue.
 
Surrealistik said:
You can put it down to my name all you like, but outside of the most biased and pro-Hillary publications (Washington Post), the consensus of his win was more or less unanimous, even if it was at times grudging as in the case of Vox.
Click to expand...

No slight intended. It is only that calling oneself a "democratic socialist" implies a point of view as does the use of the word "surreal" in its various mutations.
 
To anyone telling yourself to remain in denial that the recent Bernie victories do in fact (oh my gods, could it be?) exist - YES, those STANDING OVATIONS did NOT happen at ALL, TOTALLY.

:doh

(BEN N JERRY'S ON NPR RIGHT NOW!!!!!)
 
 
Looking over all the debate, it does appear Sanders did win. The question still stands on results, was this debate win enough to make a difference in the upcoming contests?
 
Lovebug said:
Interestingly to note, Cons fear Bernie more than Clinton.
Click to expand...

Well that is quite normal. He is a populist ideologue with a crazy set of policies, while she only smells of small time schmuckery that one can keep an eye on.
 
joG said:
Well that is quite normal. He is a populist ideologue with a crazy set of policies, while she only smells of small time schmuckery that one can keep an eye on.
Click to expand...

Ok, but wouldn't it make more sense to take a page from the Dem playbook? Build up Sanders, and once he becomes the nominee (most Cons believe he can't win against either of their candidate), drop the hammer.
 
Lovebug said:
Ok, but wouldn't it make more sense to take a page from the Dem playbook? Build up Sanders, and once he becomes the nominee (most Cons believe he can't win against either of their candidate), drop the hammer.
Click to expand...

Risking Sanders would be a bad choice. Admittedly Clinton is not a very appetizing candidate, but at least she does not want to do things that would harm the vital functions of the country.
 
joG said:
I did not watch it, but found both the NYT and Washington post ambivalent on who might have won. The same for other things I read, except, where bias the normal bias spoke. Here is a typical article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...930a7b7_story.html?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_headlines
Click to expand...

It was a tough debate, and the key issue spoken of was Immigration. They had several rounds back and forth on who voted for what, and what flaws those efforts may have had. But on the issue Sanders seemed to be willing to make a set of promises to that audience that Hillary would only make with caveats.

Personally I do not agree with either one, but I can see that audience more happy with Sanders than Clinton on Immigration. The back and forth Spanish to English to Spanish segments where they put up a map of their demographic voter issues ranking, Immigration and the Economy took top honors of importance to them. Sanders said more than Hillary did in things I suspect they want to hear.

I just question the debate win for Sanders here being enough to outweigh Establishment support for Hillary.
 
joG said:
Risking Sanders would be a bad choice. Admittedly Clinton is not a very appetizing candidate, but at least she does not want to do things that would harm the vital functions of the country.
Click to expand...

I am not so sure about that. Clinton is power hungry and in for herself, her legacy, and she will stop at nothing to get there. That being said, she is also an incompetent person. Very dangerous.
Bernie, with all his faults, has compassion for others.
 
Lovebug said:
I am not so sure about that. Clinton is power hungry and in for herself, her legacy, and she will stop at nothing to get there. That being said, she is also an incompetent person. Very dangerous.
Bernie, with all his faults, has compassion for others.
Click to expand...

Compassion is fine in a private person. In a position of power it almost invariably does a lot of harm and weakens the country for all the Good reasons without helping those it aims to.
 


I think this is an interesting response. I think she should have said there is nothing to be indicted over. Am I looking into this to deep by wondering why she wouldn't answer the question?
 
Blue_State said:


I think this is an interesting response. I think she should have said there is nothing to be indicted over. Am I looking into this to deep by wondering why she wouldn't answer the question?
Click to expand...


It was a thin-skin answer.
 
Surrealistik said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhN9-u0a5mc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcOJTxFlP9M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGQQGTshgMk

Live Blog: Bernie Sanders Wins Democrats? 8th Debate as Hillary Clinton Remains Captive of Caution - Truthdig

Definitely agree with the above analysis.


Not even the typically pro-Hillary Vox can peg her as a winner: Univision Democratic debate in Miami: news and updates - Vox
Click to expand...

I watched it while doing some housework last night, so I wasn't completely in tune with all of it, but from my vantage point, yeah, Bernie won. If nothing else I think it helped him and is helping him make the case that he deserves to be in the race as an alternative to Hillary.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom