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Bernie Sanders wants to take back “family values” from the GOP

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Van Basten said:
It's just realistic to not see him winning, but I respect his tenacity.

Do you honestly think he could win the nomination?
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If all the people who wouldn't vote for him simply because they think he can't win would vote for him then he'd have an undeniable shot. It's as simple as that.
 
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Like the guy, and that's an understatement, but a dark horse he ain't.
 
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sadly and amazingly we are like the only advance country that doesnt off it . . so sad we are so behind on some issues . . .

Parental leave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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So he says now. But after being subjected to the Clinton war machine for an entire primary he'll be less than gracious, especially if he believes he can steal enough independents to win as an Independent.
 
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Ever hear the saying about correlation not necessarily being causation? It is a pretty important concept.
 
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I admire Sanders conviction and believe that he feels what he is proposing would help American families but I have to disagree somewhat. Sometimes you have to look beyond intent and look at the bigger picture. I feel that such legislation (among some of his other proposals) will only spur more US businesses to outsource or move overseas into countries that do not place such a financial burden and inconsistent worker onto the business. It also makes investing in employee replacing technologies more appealing.

While I do not believe Sanders bill will push us over the edge I do believe it will further erode our competitive business environment when frankly we need to spur more incentive to run a business here and not drive more away. Parental leave, sick leave, and vacation time are great but those are not going to do a lot of good if the jobs are not there to be had.
 
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Bernie Sanders is not a dope.
 
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The critics have no problem maintaining the Pentagons budget which is way past legitimate defense, or increasing Israel's welfare check, but this, oh hell no!
 
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That's a little too far, public college should be cheaper by half, but not free.

I also don't trust congress to keep the FTT revenue dedicated to college. They'll eventually use it for everything else
 
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poweRob said:
This will warm your heart a touch if you didn't see this:


This shocked even the Bernie camp in that they didn't have any reps there working the crowd.
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Yep I may go caucus with dems this year just to support Bernie.

Urban liberals are destroying america, it's time to return to the orginal values of the progressive movement and I think Bernie well represents that
 
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Odd that he is polling so low amongst democrats as compared to Hillary Clinton. Those Hillary fans must love her platform far more than they love Bernie's.
 
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Except he wants to be the first nominee of the Democratic Party who is not, has not been, and never will be, a Democrat.
 
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cpwill said:
From the Article:
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I'm not having more kids, so what's his point?
 
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Redress said:
Ever hear the saying about correlation not necessarily being causation? It is a pretty important concept.
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:doh


Okay. You're right. Math is wrong, and the need to pretend that a desired policy has no unintended consequences is right. Clearly Redress knows' Pew Research's job better than they do, because otherwise the world might be a complex place rather than a nice, clean, partisan one. :roll:


They drew out the causal link for you. It's bolded.


Seriously, Redress, that was the response-equivalent of "nuh-UH!!!".
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
Except he wants to be the first nominee of the Democratic Party who is not, has not been, and never will be, a Democrat.
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He's always been a democrat. He just calls himself something else. He's always been understood as a democrat, always caucused with the democrats, his committee assignments have always counted against democrats, he's a democrat.
 
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I like Bernie and I like a lot of his ideas.

I got 8 weeks paid maternity leave (I had a C-section so I got an extra 2 weeks) with my last one, the only one I had while working. My husband didn't get any time off for my births. I had 3 little ones under the age of 4 at home, one of them a newborn. I did fine. We did fine.

Unfortunately someone has to pay for all of these great idea Bernie has.
 
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cpwill said:
He's always been a democrat. He just calls himself something else. He's always been understood as a democrat, always caucused with the democrats, his committee assignments have always counted against democrats, he's a democrat.
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You may want him to be, but he is not. I can't find another prominent politician that didn't at least start out as a member of one of the parties. Bernie never has been a Democrat in any office he ran for or held. He uses the Democratic party as a tool but does not want to be part of them any more than he has to.
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
Except he wants to be the first nominee of the Democratic Party who is not, has not been, and never will be, a Democrat.
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If he voted with the other party once in a while, I'd be comfortable saying he isn't a Democrat. He is. He's actually a Democrat on socialist steroids.
 
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:lol: okedoke Sure.


Since he's so independent, what issues does he vote with the Republican party on?
 
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tres borrachos said:
If he voted with the other party once in a while, I'd be comfortable saying he isn't a Democrat. He is. He's actually a Democrat on socialist steroids.
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His voting doesn't determine party membership. He voted against the nomination of John Brennan as Director of CIA when most of the Democratic Party supported it. If I had to classify him, I'd say he was a Socialistic Libertarian.


cpwill said:
:lol: okedoke Sure.


Since he's so independent, what issues does he vote with the Republican party on?
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There are two kinds of people in the world, those who divide things into two groups, and those who don't. Again, voting doesn't determine party membership, joining a party determines party membership. Bernie has never joined.

Face it, he knows he can't win as an Independent and he may cherry pick the benefits he wants to take from the Democratic party. If he were to caucus with the Congressional Black Caucus, that wouldn't make him Black.
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
There are two kinds of people in the world, those who divide things into two groups, and those who don't.
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well played, lol.

:lol:
 
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He doesn't oppose the Democratic ideas. He doesn't fight them. He blindly votes with them almost 100% of the time. He runs in his own state as something other than a Democrat because that flies in Vermont. He is a Democrat.
 
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"Socialistic libertarian"? You're kidding, right? Is that like dry water? :roll:

Sanders is revered by The Communist Party USA. Nuff said.
 
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VanceMack said:
Odd that he is polling so low amongst democrats as compared to Hillary Clinton. Those Hillary fans must love her platform far more than they love Bernie's.
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Polling at this point is far less about platform than it is a name recognition popularity contest. This will change as he keeps gathering these large crowds... provided the media stop ignoring him so much to address the urgent stories of how Rick Perry sneezed today or Hillary bought a new pant suit.
 
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