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Bernie Sanders Enters 2020 Presidential Campaign, No Longer An Underdog

I would be more worried about removing the emotionally-handicapped child out of the oval office right now...

Not if we're just going to replace him with some other emotionally-handicapped child.

Though I do find it very hard to believe that we could possibly do worse than Trump. However, every time I have said that "it cannot possibly be worse than..." the main Party seems to take it as a challenge. One they are most capable at overcoming, it appears.

Get rid of Trump, yes, great. But if you just replace him with some other **** candidate, then we haven't really gotten anywhere. We need to do better. We can do better if we choose.
 

You. I like you.

This is what I'm worried about on both sides. If we are so desperate to get rid of the guy that we end up with a mirror image, it's just as bad. I'm also worried that so many on the left are so sure they will win that they are ready to put up some of the most extreme folks they can find and will end up burning us whether they win or lose.
 

The major parties have figured out that if you offer the voters a choice between the party for a bigger federal government or the party for a huge federal government then they must vote for more federal government.


Federal spending per capita has risen steadily for almost 100 years, today we spend $11,194 for every citizen
 

"I just wish you weren't dragging me down with you."? That coming from the heaviest anchor on American society: a leftist...

You seem to misunderstand who defines the major parties. Like minded citizens. Perhaps you should band with like-minded citizens and form a new party, the leadership of which will eventually become entrenched until the "band" tosses them out.
 

Just voted in the first ranked choice voting last year. It got implemented here in Santa Fe and that was it's first use. A lot of people were bitching about it mostly only due to it being change. But it worked.

It was used in our mayoral election and we had 5 people running. It worked well and someone didn't win with just 21% of the vote. No one will ever again be seated without 50%+1 actually liking that person.
 

Fair assessment. I think Bernie has made significant in-roads in the rust belt and Appalachia. I'd also like to see a generational turn of power but I like the man's policies and that's most important to me.
 
As much as I would disagree with haymarket on a political level, I DO agree that Bernie's time has come and gone. Back in 2016, he would have, at least, gave Trump a much harder time than Hillary. He ran a platform that others on his side can get behind. He was able to connect with people, especially the younger crowd. He communicated his message articulately (even it was a little hard to understand him at times with his accent at times). Most importantly to the Democrat base, he had the greatest chance at defeating Trump back around that time. Hillary was complete garbage. The Democrat base did not want her at all. She ONLY ran on the message of "it's my time and no one else's, DEAL WITH IT!" That was it. No policies, platform, or even real connection was made with her base.

The DNC and the Democrat party as a whole, despite what others may say, did screw Bernie over big time. The first indicator was, and has been for a long time, the super delegates. The fact that their votes count more than regular delegates is just wrong. Next, the Saturday night debates. I don't know about anyone else, but who the hell watches political debates on a Saturday night? I did it once and, holy crap, I was bored out of my mind and wanted to do something else. And it was a way to divert people's attention away from it. Most people probably didn't even know that there was debate, so they didn't even get to hear what Bernie had to say. Finally, the amount of money that flowed into Hillary's campaign, the amount of advertisements, and the air time she got opposed to what little Bernie got was ridiculous. Somehow, though, Bernie still gave Hillary a ton of problems before she clutched the nomination, thanks to everything and every elitist out there that helped her out.

And here we are now. I think it's mistake for Bernie to run because he IS older. I know Trump's not much younger, but he's, at least, a young 72 year old (as odd as that may sound). If the Democrats were truly serious, they would push harder for a much younger person with that same mind set because not only that resonates with the base, but with the millenial generation coming in to take over, someone they can relate to would be better. Problem for them is not that they don't want a younger person, but rather they can't find someone within the age group, right now, that they're looking for that would stand out and unite them. Instead, it seems as though that they're waiting for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to become eligible to run, and right now, she might be (or I should rather say she is) a disaster for them. So putting all your chips into one person and playing the wait game can be (very) bad.

For now, though, Bernie's is only the latest person running, and could be considered at this point in time, the front runner. His odds at winning the nomination might be pretty good, but the presidency? I don't see it. Even though I'm not a Leftist, it doesn't take anyone special to figure out that there isn't ANYONE, running or expected to run, whose standing out. Even with O'Rourke still expected to jump in this race, along with possibly Biden, their chances don't seem better than anyone else's. If you want my most honest opinion on who would have the greatest chance of beating Trump in 2020, if she decided to enter the race, it would be Michelle Obama. Young AND old people like her, she would have a solid platform with her party, and she would have a message that would connect to many others in the Democrat base. If she did enter, she would almost instantly become the front runner. No question about it. But anyway, I've gone on too long. I predict that Trump will be re-elected in 2020, but we'll see what happens.
 
Utter BS.

Own it. Admit what you are. Everybody already knows.
 

They sure just might.
 

I read about that one. Seems like it went pretty smooth all things considered.
 

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You Republocrats are Big Government, Big Spending, Big Deficit, Big Brother, Big War, Big Corporation supporters and you want to call the libertarian the "heaviest anchor"

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The Republocrat Oligarchy is entrenched. They pretend to be two different parties, but their goals and aims are the same. Bigger government, bigger spending, bigger deficit, bigger influence, bigger control. All y'all hyperpartisans have allowed your hate for the otherside to blind you to the truth. So you won't vote third party, you'll only vote your Oligarchy and you somehow believe that by supporting your Oligarchy, your Oligarchy will change.

Trapped in a cycle that leads to the destruction of the Republic but you cannot see it.

It would be funny if y'all weren't dragging the rest of us down with you.
 
Fair assessment. I think Bernie has made significant in-roads in the rust belt and Appalachia. I'd also like to see a generational turn of power but I like the man's policies and that's most important to me.

Of course you do. But then, you liked Hugo Chavez' policies, too.

This message board doesn't look like America.

Bernie is a non-starter.
 
No, I'll be as astounded as you were that Hilarity lost. But, mark this down, Bernie will not be the Dim nominee. Save this post.

We will see. I wasn't surprised she lost. I didn't vote for her, and told everyone I knew she was going to lose. I live in the rust belt. I saw not a single Hillary sign for literally hundreds of miles.
 
I read about that one. Seems like it went pretty smooth all things considered.

There's only one beef I had with that election. They didn't sell it right. They said you had to rank the candidates but did NOT emphasize that you only rank the ones you like. You do not have to rank anyone you don't want to win.
 

Work was cancelled today so I was able to look up the last governor of Colorado I would like to see step up.

John hickenlooper...

John Hickenlooper - Wikipedia

I would like to see him step up and run...
 
Of course you do. But then, you liked Hugo Chavez' policies, too.

This message board doesn't look like America.

Bernie is a non-starter.

Your lies are so bad. Go troll elsewhere.
 
There's only one beef I had with that election. They didn't sell it right. They said you had to rank the candidates but did NOT emphasize that you only rank the ones you like. You do not have to rank anyone you don't want to win.

I thought that specification was a concession they made to get the practice in place? I don't remember the details, but I thought it was something along the lines of avoiding everyone ranking just 1 candidate and ending up with the same old election.
 
Work was cancelled today so I was able to look up the last governor of Colorado I would like to see step up.

John hickenlooper...

John Hickenlooper - Wikipedia

I would like to see him step up and run...

He wasn't bad as a governor, but I don't know if he's going to run. That being said, as I stated earlier, I prefer the Presidential candidate be pulled from the Governor population. Governors have experience at the Executive Branch level and I think it's much better to pull from that pool than from the Legislature.
 
I thought that specification was a concession they made to get the practice in place? I don't remember the details, but I thought it was something along the lines of avoiding everyone ranking just 1 candidate and ending up with the same old election.

The poll workers had a script and had to stick with it. And I voiced my complaint and they agreed but couldn't change the script.
 

So you agree that the left is the bigger drag on American society. You could have done that moe succinctly without going down the liberal talking points hole.
 
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