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Bernie Sanders and his bid for president

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From what I see, Bernie has a real enthusiastic following and gets crowds wherever he visits. My view is that many Democrats would whole-heartedly pull the lever for Sanders, and if Clinton gets the nomination, will hold their nose and vote for get.

In the last polls (which mean little now) Sanders leads Clinton in NH 44 to 37.

If Sanders got the nomination, it will be a true choice between progressive populist policies against the right-wing policies the GOP nominee will surely promote.
 
Pretty much. Most of the true progressives I know are hoping for a Sanders candidacy.
 
I am not in any way a "progressive" but I have been watching and listening to Bernie Sanders. He makes more sense than any of the GOP candidates. If he wins his party's nomination, I might vote for him over one of the Republican candidates.
 
MTAtech said:
From what I see, Bernie has a real enthusiastic following and gets crowds wherever he visits. My view is that many Democrats would whole-heartedly pull the lever for Sanders, and if Clinton gets the nomination, will hold their nose and vote for get.

In the last polls (which mean little now) Sanders leads Clinton in NH 44 to 37.

If Sanders got the nomination, it will be a true choice between progressive populist policies against the right-wing policies the GOP nominee will surely promote.
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[h=2]This Is How Bernie Sanders Could Win[/h] A FiveThirtyEight Chat
 
Bernie Sanders is an excellent candidate. People view him as radical have no idea that his ides are mainstream for most of the 1st world nations. I will be voting for him in the California primary. If Hillary wins, I will vote third party.
 
The Democratic Party's Distress - Charlie Cook, National Journal

". . . This brings us to Bernie Sanders, the surprise of the Democratic campaign. It’s remarkable to me that the 74-year-old Vermont senator, who will be six years older next Election Day than Ronald Reagan was in 1980, is being taken this seriously. Has any member of Congress during the past 23 years been less consequential, less effective, and taken less seriously than Sanders? Is there any Democratic senator less able to win a nationwide general election? . . . "
 
He seems to be attracting a lot of the left-leaning union crowd. As for me, his words just ring hollow.
 
Presidential elections are only a little bit about policy. To be elected you also have to be liked personally, and look and act the part.
 
Bernie seems to be the "Ron Paul" of the 2016 election. He's got that "underground appeal" thing going for him right now.

I think his numbers should improve dramatically once a national debate or two happen with Hillary.
 
Shadowless said:
If Hillary wins, I will vote third party.
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I can sort of understand the appeal of a 3rd party candidate, especially when you don't really like either candidate. But, wouldn't it make more sense still to vote for the one who you disagree with less, so the vote would at least make an impact?
 
I don't necessarily agree with everything he espouses, but I do believe his sincerity in what he espouses. To that end I'd vote for him. To me the man and his character trump policies.
 
Black Dog said:
I am not in any way a "progressive" but I have been watching and listening to Bernie Sanders. He makes more sense than any of the GOP candidates. If he wins his party's nomination, I might vote for him over one of the Republican candidates.
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Welcome comrade. Welcome to the fold. For your devotion three cases of Smirnoff vodka is en route to your house as we speak.
 
poweRob said:
Welcome comrade. Welcome to the fold. For your devotion three cases of Smirnoff vodka is en route to your house as we speak.
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Nope. He started waving around the gun ban hammer and that was that.
 
Black Dog said:
Nope. He started waving around the gun ban hammer and that was that.
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Vermont has among the most lax gun laws in the nation. The people tend to be very Liberal but they love their guns. Like Howard Dean, Bernie has had to curb his lust for banning guns in order to keep winning in that state. If he became POTUS, that wouldn't matter anymore. Bernie is, unfortunately, a gun banner, and if people didn't know it before last night, they know it now.
 
Jack Hays said:
The Democratic Party's Distress - Charlie Cook, National Journal

". . . This brings us to Bernie Sanders, the surprise of the Democratic campaign. It’s remarkable to me that the 74-year-old Vermont senator, who will be six years older next Election Day than Ronald Reagan was in 1980, is being taken this seriously. Has any member of Congress during the past 23 years been less consequential, less effective, and taken less seriously than Sanders? Is there any Democratic senator less able to win a nationwide general election? . . . "
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When the Patriot Act passed 99-1, Bernie was the 1 and he was right.

Sen. Sanders drafted legislation to support and start repairing the Veterans Administration following the scandal that broke in Arizona. It failed in the first attempt, but Sen. Sanders went to the Republicans and negotiated a compromise and together they brought the bill to the House where it passed the House 420-5 and passed the Senate 91-3. It was signed into law immediately by President Obama.

Sanders voted against the resolutions authorizing the use of force against Iraq in 1991 and 2002, and opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

On December 10, 2010, Sanders delivered an 8½-hour speech against the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010, the proposed extension of the Bush-era tax rates that eventually became law.

For such an "inconsequential" and "ineffective" legislator, he has a 67% approval rating.
 
tres borrachos said:
Vermont has among the most lax gun laws in the nation. The people tend to be very Liberal but they love their guns. Like Howard Dean, Bernie has had to curb his lust for banning guns in order to keep winning in that state. If he became POTUS, that wouldn't matter anymore. Bernie is, unfortunately, a gun banner, and if people didn't know it before last night, they know it now.
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I think you are spot on.
 
MTAtech said:
From what I see, Bernie has a real enthusiastic following and gets crowds wherever he visits. My view is that many Democrats would whole-heartedly pull the lever for Sanders, and if Clinton gets the nomination, will hold their nose and vote for get.

In the last polls (which mean little now) Sanders leads Clinton in NH 44 to 37.

If Sanders got the nomination, it will be a true choice between progressive populist policies against the right-wing policies the GOP nominee will surely promote.
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Based on what I saw last night this election will be the one that determines whether we remain a Constitutional Republic or recast ourselves as a Social Democracy.
 
Lutherf said:
Based on what I saw last night this election will be the one that determines whether we remain a Constitutional Republic or recast ourselves as a Social Democracy.
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I completely agree. I didn't watch the entire thing but what I did see, that is what I walked away thinking. I believe there will be two very clear choices for the people to choose from this time around.
 
Lutherf said:
Based on what I saw last night this election will be the one that determines whether we remain a Constitutional Republic or recast ourselves as a Social Democracy.
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The two are not incompatible.
 
Lutherf said:
Based on what I saw last night this election will be the one that determines whether we remain a Constitutional Republic or recast ourselves as a Social Democracy.
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Korimyr the Rat said:
The two are not incompatible.
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So, in your view, a country can't be a democracy and also have Social Security and Medicaid?

The last time that I checked, Denmark was a democracy.
 
MTAtech said:
So, in your view, a country can't be a democracy and also have Social Security and Medicaid?

The last time that I checked, Denmark was a democracy.
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First off, we're a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy...yet

Second, we have SS and Medicare. Those programs, and others, are now being used as a lever to push the democratic principles of our Republic to a position where they erode the protections the Republic provides.
 
Lutherf said:
First off, we're a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy...yet

Second, we have SS and Medicare. Those programs, and others, are now being used as a lever to push the democratic principles of our Republic to a position where they erode the protections the Republic provides.
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Yeah, because giving people universal health insurance would be catastrophic to liberty and freedom.
 
MTAtech said:
When the Patriot Act passed 99-1, Bernie was the 1 and he was right.

Sen. Sanders drafted legislation to support and start repairing the Veterans Administration following the scandal that broke in Arizona. It failed in the first attempt, but Sen. Sanders went to the Republicans and negotiated a compromise and together they brought the bill to the House where it passed the House 420-5 and passed the Senate 91-3. It was signed into law immediately by President Obama.

Sanders voted against the resolutions authorizing the use of force against Iraq in 1991 and 2002, and opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

On December 10, 2010, Sanders delivered an 8½-hour speech against the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010, the proposed extension of the Bush-era tax rates that eventually became law.

For such an "inconsequential" and "ineffective" legislator, he has a 67% approval rating.
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He was wrong on the Patriot Act and wrong on the 2010 tax bill.
 
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