Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin agree ‘in principle’ to hold summit on Ukraine
Kremlin says ‘no concrete plans’ for such a meeting but does not rule it outwww.ft.com
Belarus falls without a shot.
What must Lukashenko see in the mirror?
Pooty's keeping them there to guarantee he has at least one butt buddy in power in the region to rely on.Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin agree ‘in principle’ to hold summit on Ukraine
Kremlin says ‘no concrete plans’ for such a meeting but does not rule it outwww.ft.com
Belarus falls without a shot.
What must Lukashenko see in the mirror?
This must've been the plan all along. To annex Belarus while making Ukrainians fear for invasion, good job. It fooled me.
Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin agree ‘in principle’ to hold summit on Ukraine
Kremlin says ‘no concrete plans’ for such a meeting but does not rule it outwww.ft.com
Belarus falls without a shot.
What must Lukashenko see in the mirror?
Great analogy. In fact, that's exactly what's happening.I wonder if Putin is going to keep the troops on the border of Ukraine and try to bait them into firing the first shot.
Like a quarterback trying to draw the defense offside.
What concessions do you see Biden making?Belarus and Russia is a very complex relationship. First off Belarus is basically a Russian speaking country. The Belarussian language is mostly relegated to the villages. They are a very culturally related country. Lukashenko was very nearly kicked out of office last year but he strong armed the protestors and kept power. He also had the backing of Putin to help. Putin has been pushing Lukashenko to have a closer union and wants the conscription of soldiers from Belarus. It looks like this will all happen now.
Russia is not going to invade Ukraine. He is having a laugh at the west's expense, and he has Biden dancing to his tune. Biden will give into Putin and Biden will claim some sort of victory from it, but the reality is Biden will be making all the important concessions.
Already he is talking about allowing the Russians to inspect missile sites in Poland and Romania.What concessions do you see Biden making?
Is that a major concession?Already he is talking about allowing the Russians to inspect missile sites in Poland and Romania.
Poland is a pretty solid partnership country. They fear Russia. Anything that compromises the US / Poland relationship is big.Is that a major concession?
Belarus is an authoritarian state in which elections are openly rigged and civil liberties are severely restricted.Belarus and Russia is a very complex relationship. First off Belarus is basically a Russian speaking country. The Belarussian language is mostly relegated to the villages. They are a very culturally related country. Lukashenko was very nearly kicked out of office last year but he strong armed the protestors and kept power. He also had the backing of Putin to help. Putin has been pushing Lukashenko to have a closer union and wants the conscription of soldiers from Belarus. It looks like this will all happen now.
Russia is not going to invade Ukraine. He is having a laugh at the west's expense, and he has Biden dancing to his tune. Biden will give into Putin and Biden will claim some sort of victory from it, but the reality is Biden will be making all the important concessions.
Already he is talking about allowing the Russians to inspect missile sites in Poland and Romania.
Is that a major concession?
According to this news article, it's not giving away anything Romania hasn't already offered. Poland would also not object to this:Already he is talking about allowing the Russians to inspect missile sites in Poland and Romania.
Threatening sanctions if Putin invades is a show of weakness. Like what is that? If you start a war, we are really going to slap your wrist."The U.S. proposal is aimed at allaying Moscow’s concerns the launchers could be used to target Russia. One person added any agreement would only happen after discussion with allies, especially Poland and Romania, and would need to be reciprocated with a number of Russian bases housing ground-launched weapons."The proposal reflects U.S. efforts to find some common ground with Russia as it seeks to defuse tensions over Ukraine.
Seems like a reasonable concession in order to save tens of thousands of lives, and Putin would have something to show the Russian people if he backs down. Doubt it's enough, though.
IMHO, NATO should launch partial sanctions now, threatening to clamp down completely if Putin invades.
What do you suggest? That the US goes to war over Ukraine? Seriously?Threatening sanctions if Putin invades is a show of weakness. Like what is that? If you start a war, we are really going to slap your wrist.
I am suggesting Biden should not be banging the war drum as he has been doing. He should have quietly set up a plan with our allies just in case. The reality is Russia always has a major military exercise every year. I think the west is making something out of nothing. Mostly it is Biden doing it.What do you suggest? That the US goes to war over Ukraine? Seriously?
I'm not totally opposed to the idea, but the stakes would be enormous. Are you really that confident that is where the US should go? Or do you have some other option in mind?
"Mostly it is Biden doing it?" Huh. Could your perspective be somewhat colored by what country you presently live in? Not everyone in the world hangs on every word of the American president (especially after Trump). Have you read what Zelenskyy has been saying? He's almost hysterical. Lithuania is close behind him. Sweden and Finland are actually considering joining NATO for the first time.I am suggesting Biden should not be banging the war drum as he has been doing. He should have quietly set up a plan with our allies just in case. The reality is Russia always has a major military exercise every year. I think the west is making something out of nothing. Mostly it is Biden doing it.
Ukrainians are not freaking out like you are. The separatists in the Donbas are lobing a couple of shells as Putin wants them to do. Now the west is jumping. It's all going to be a diplomatic win win for Putin."Mostly it is Biden doing it?" Huh. Could your perspective be somewhat colored by what country you presently live in? Not everyone in the world hangs on every word of the American president (especially after Trump). Have you read what Zelenskyy has been saying? He's almost hysterical. Lithuania is close behind him. Sweden and Finland are actually considering joining NATO for the first time.
Do you think Ukrainians are being persuaded by Biden? Or by what they are experiencing in their own nation?
Latest Ukrainian polling:
Joining NATO:
Yes: 65% (+3)
No: 35% (-3)
Joining EU:
Yes: 74% (+8)
No: 26% (-8)
Do you think Biden did this?:
And you know this because you're what? Listening to Tucker Carlson?Ukrainians are not freaking out like you are.
No I talk to Ukrainians.And you know this because you're what? Listening to Tucker Carlson?
Oh yes, I'll bet you do.No I talk to Ukrainians.
I have friends and coworkers that are Ukrainian and Poles and Lithuanians and Belarussians and Russians. I live in Chicago. my neighbors are Vietnamese and Pakastani. I talk to lots of people. They all have lots of friends and family back home. I get a good slice of opinions.Oh yes, I'll bet you do.Remember, a statistically valid number would have to be roughly 300 citizens, randomly selected. Or you could just listen to their elected representative, like in my post directly above.
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