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Being pragmatic is not a strenth of the right wing.

Mycroft said:
LOL!! You still don't understand the meaning of the word, "pragmatic"...even after I gave you the definition. And then, to complete your illogical and downright dumbass anti-Republican rant, you trot out all your other failed talking points. But hey, I'm feeling generous today so I'll disabuse you of some of your talking points. Okay?

1. War on drugs: This is hardly a Republican policy. Every President...Republican and Democrat has kept that thing going. Heck, Democrats could have ended the thing when THEY had the majority a couple of years ago. They didn't.

2. War on labor and poor: There IS no war on labor and poor. Republicans have tried to increase jobs but have been stopped by the Democrats for years. And...speaking of the Democrats...what have they done that was pragmatic? Spend money we don't have with no results? Not very reasonable or logical. If there really is a war on labor and poor, give me a quote or two from Republican lawmakers in which they state they are in a war. Hmmm?

3. Hates abortion: They don't like abortion...that's for sure...but they are not against anyone using BC pills or condoms. They just don't want the government to spend the money to hand them out. I agree. Why should the government be making a stand by giving these things away when it should be a personal choice...and a personal responsibility?

You know, all the things you like about the Democrats are their ideas. That's fine. But when are they going to be pragmatic about their ideas? You remember the definition, right? "dealing with the problems that exist in a specific situation in a reasonable and logical way instead of depending on ideas and theories" Republicans are trying to be reasonable and logical. Kind of hard to to, though, when the Democrats are not. All they got are their ideas and theories and when they DO try to pass legislation to deal with problems, they make things worse. Obamacare is a prime example...but only one. Heck, do you remember how the Democrats decided to freeze the price of gas? Do you remember how THAT turned out? They were not very pragmatic about it, that's for sure.
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How is hating Obama from the first day pragmatic. They have said no to everything even thing they where for just to go against Obama. I don't know what motivates the right to hate Obama so bad. They hated Clinton for sure but worked with him. Why won't they work with this president on anything. It is funny to hear Boehner say they want to bargen when they never wanted to bargen before. If the conservatives did not have the repeal obsession they could have worked with the dem's to make the ACA better but the only ideas they could think of is the same old bashing trial lawers and deregulation of health care sales. I am not sure those would have adressed 40 million people without insurance.
 
I do know what motivates the right to hate Obama so bad..
And it started the night of the 2008 election with Eric Cantor the Cancer and his Kabal meeting to do everything they could to destroy Obama..
This 60-month tyrannical sabotage has prevented a full economic recovery.
James D Hill said:
How is hating Obama from the first day pragmatic. They have said no to everything even thing they where for just to go against Obama. I don't know what motivates the right to hate Obama so bad. They hated Clinton for sure but worked with him. Why won't they work with this president on anything. It is funny to hear Boehner say they want to bargen when they never wanted to bargen before. If the conservatives did not have the repeal obsession they could have worked with the dem's to make the ACA better but the only ideas they could think of is the same old bashing trial lawers and deregulation of health care sales. I am not sure those would have adressed 40 million people without insurance.
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NIMBY said:
I do know what motivates the right to hate Obama so bad..
And it started the night of the 2008 election with Eric Cantor the Cancer and his Kabal meeting to do everything they could to destroy Obama..
This 60-month tyrannical sabotage has prevented a full economic recovery.
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They decided the president would get no victory if they could help it. This came at a very bad time becuse the economy was going in the tank and we needed both parties to work together but they could not get past the fact he was black,had an Islamic name and was a liberal.
 
James D Hill said:
How is hating Obama from the first day pragmatic. They have said no to everything even thing they where for just to go against Obama. I don't know what motivates the right to hate Obama so bad. They hated Clinton for sure but worked with him. Why won't they work with this president on anything. It is funny to hear Boehner say they want to bargen when they never wanted to bargen before. If the conservatives did not have the repeal obsession they could have worked with the dem's to make the ACA better but the only ideas they could think of is the same old bashing trial lawers and deregulation of health care sales. I am not sure those would have adressed 40 million people without insurance.
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Here you go...more dumbass liberal talking points. Do you want me to disabuse you again? (I warn you, my generosity has limits)
 
Mycroft said:
Here you go...more dumbass liberal talking points. Do you want me to disabuse you again? (I warn you, my generosity has limits)
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Since when do conservatives have generosity? With anybody other than each other, that is?
 
Comunitee said:
Since when do conservatives have generosity? With anybody other than each other, that is?
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LOL!!

I think I was very generous to James in that earlier post.
 
James D Hill said:
But they won't my friend.
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Yes, I realize the government won't allow young people to opt-out of Social Security if they don't desire to take part in it.
 
As a matter of course, I put people who use the term "Tea Bagger" on ignore, and I recommend that everyone else does so as well.


Bye now!
 
Oftencold said:
As a matter of course, I put people who use the term "Tea Bagger" on ignore, and I recommend that everyone else does so as well.


Bye now!
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Isn't that the conservative way my friend. Put your head is the sand and ignore the truth. Tea Baggers have led your party over the cliff and you have followed like a bunch of lemmings. Admit it. Your side gloryified a bunch of wack jobs and not the whole GOP is going to pay the price. Ignore the fact's all you want but they remain the fact's.
 
Mycroft said:
Here you go...more dumbass liberal talking points. Do you want me to disabuse you again? (I warn you, my generosity has limits)
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Did you hear what those tea bagger nuts where saying about the president yesterday? He was too busy bowing to Allah to worry about vet's. Louie Gohmert is saying he was not an American. Michele Bachmann saying he was a Muslim and a socialist. All of this on 10-14-13. How is telling the truth a dumbass liberal talking point. Untill the GOP reels in these morons you are going to have to answer for them. Get over it.
 
James D Hill said:
Did you hear what those tea bagger nuts where saying about the president yesterday? He was too busy bowing to Allah to worry about vet's. Louie Gohmert is saying he was not an American. Michele Bachmann saying he was a Muslim and a socialist. All of this on 10-14-13. How is telling the truth a dumbass liberal talking point. Untill the GOP reels in these morons you are going to have to answer for them. Get over it.
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The "truth" you were supposedly telling was not about people saying stupid stuff...it was about people "hating" Obama.

When are you going to stick to one thing...pragmatism being the topic of this...your...thread? Do you think you are making a valid argument by jumping around from one thing to another?
 
Mycroft said:
The "truth" you were supposedly telling was not about people saying stupid stuff...it was about people "hating" Obama.

When are you going to stick to one thing...pragmatism being the topic of this...your...thread? Do you think you are making a valid argument by jumping around from one thing to another?
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It is not Pragmatic to have the nutjobs spewing. Us on the left have controled our nut's while the right has not. That stupid stuff is a symtom of hating Obama for that Satan himself. You know that is fact. Even Satan influences some killer metal music. Obama is not all bad and niether was GW Bush. This all or nothing attitude is going to dstroy us all.
 
Mycroft said:
The "truth" you were supposedly telling was not about people saying stupid stuff...it was about people "hating" Obama.

When are you going to stick to one thing...pragmatism being the topic of this...your...thread? Do you think you are making a valid argument by jumping around from one thing to another?
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My point is social conservatives and law and order conservatives are not very pragmatic. They cling to the status quo on laws even if the law is wrong. The ban against iner racial marriage is a perfect example. Even though we all knew the law was racist 64% of American's where for the ban and most where conservatives. Pragmatic people would say to each their own or it is none of my business. The same is true with gay marriage and legal pot. The left is not always pragmatic but they are the majority and that does make them more pragmatic. It helps keep them in power.
 
James D Hill said:
It is not Pragmatic to have the nutjobs spewing. Us on the left have controled our nut's while the right has not. That stupid stuff is a symtom of hating Obama for that Satan himself. You know that is fact. Even Satan influences some killer metal music. Obama is not all bad and niether was GW Bush. This all or nothing attitude is going to dstroy us all.
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Still having problems with the term, "pragmatic", eh? In any case, I think it's better having a wide range of viewpoints...even if I disagree with some of them...that desiring to control people as you like.

Not sure what all your "Satan" talk is all about. I don't think about Satan very much.

Obama IS bad for our country...even worse than Bush. And since when, with your over the top, anti-Republican rhetoric have you ever been concerned about something destroying us all? Or is it just that you want to get rid of the Republicans so you have your way?
 
James D Hill said:
My point is social conservatives and law and order conservatives are not very pragmatic. They cling to the status quo on laws even if the law is wrong. The ban against iner racial marriage is a perfect example. Even though we all knew the law was racist 64% of American's where for the ban and most where conservatives. Pragmatic people would say to each their own or it is none of my business. The same is true with gay marriage and legal pot. The left is not always pragmatic but they are the majority and that does make them more pragmatic. It helps keep them in power.
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In your OP, you made the case that Republicans are not being pragmatic because of their stand on Obamacare and the government shutdown. I guess that didn't work for you because now you are talking about social issues...but you still don't understand how to use the term, "pragmatic". Your sentence that I highlighted...and everything that follows it...is at odds with the definition of pragmatic.
 
James D Hill said:
The right wing is like a bunch of pitbull's. They never admit defeat and they don't like to compromise. If they did we would not be helt hostage by Tea Bagger nutjobs who only represent 18% of GOP population. If the right was pragmatic they would have given up on the war on drugs long ago because 78% of Americans say it is lost yet the defend the status quo on bad law and bad policy.

The same is true with the ACA. They have been defeated three times and they still don't give up. If they where pragmatic they would be working with the left on making it better instead of the my way or the highway attitude they seem to hold on to no matter how many times they get their head jhanded to them. It is too bad because being pragmatic is a part of doing a good job in the house,senate and the Whitehouse. If the GOP was pragmatic they would not be holding the nation hostage over a lost fight. They has their chance in 2012 and lost by over 5 milion votes. Get over it.
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Apparently you are repeating what the liberal media keeps feeding you and don't actually pay attention to reality.
 
Mycroft said:
Still having problems with the term, "pragmatic", eh? In any case, I think it's better having a wide range of viewpoints...even if I disagree with some of them...that desiring to control people as you like.

Not sure what all your "Satan" talk is all about. I don't think about Satan very much.

Obama IS bad for our country...even worse than Bush. And since when, with your over the top, anti-Republican rhetoric have you ever been concerned about something destroying us all? Or is it just that you want to get rid of the Republicans so you have your way?
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You don't like good evil metal music or jaded progressive rock? What is wrong with you? My anti GOP stuff is justified my friend. They have become the party of right wing crack pots. I respect some of the more moderate(By todays standards) GOP members like Peter King even though I disagree with him on most things. I do not respect Louie Gohmert,Steve King,Michele Bachmann,Jim Dement or any other far right wacko's and like it or not my friend these freaks are the voice of your party. Until that changes your side is screwed.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Apparently you are repeating what the liberal media keeps feeding you and don't actually pay attention to reality.
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Oh and FOX news is reality? Listen to the great Black Sabbath album "Masters of Reality" It really kicks ass and has a great pro marijuan song "Sweat leaf".
 
James D Hill said:
You don't like good evil metal music or jaded progressive rock? What is wrong with you? My anti GOP stuff is justified my friend. They have become the party of right wing crack pots. I respect some of the more moderate(By todays standards) GOP members like Peter King even though I disagree with him on most things. I do not respect Louie Gohmert,Steve King,Michele Bachmann,Jim Dement or any other far right wacko's and like it or not my friend these freaks are the voice of your party. Until that changes your side is screwed.
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LOL!!

So...what your thread is reduced to is that you have an opinion about particular Republicans and you think the Republican Party is screwed. Heck, I'd say most forum members already knew that of you BEFORE you started this thread.

I guess I'll leave you at that...until the next time you start spouting off with words you don't understand.

btw, one of my favorite progressive metal groups is Dream Theater.
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!

So...what your thread is reduced to is that you have an opinion about particular Republicans and you think the Republican Party is screwed. Heck, I'd say most forum members already knew that of you BEFORE you started this thread.

I guess I'll leave you at that...until the next time you start spouting off with words you don't understand.

btw, one of my favorite progressive metal groups is Dream Theater.
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Try Pagans Mind for some killer Prog Metal. Now that the GOP has caved I guess this debate is dated.
 
James D Hill said:
The facts are the facts my friend. The GOP
has lost trhree times on this issue so they need to be pragmatic and work with the other side to make it better. That is what they call governing.
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The American people lost three times.

ObamaCare as describedd
upon its passing was just a massive lie. It was supposed to lower cost and premiums and "insure 30 million Americans" and its been an absolute failure.

The Democrats appeal to the idiots, they appeal to the easily manipulated and the state of our economy and our Country shows the damage that can be caused when th least common denominator is allowed to chose our countries path.

And then you have hacks and mouth pieces like the guy that started the OP.

Who exist for the sole reason to perpetuate left wing talking points at the expense of truth and integrity.

The Democats built their empire on a land fill, and they are running out of time.

Their ideas and policies have historically created misery and dependance, and people can only put up with that for so long.
 
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