Being a 'good cop' doesn't require just a good heart but almost impossible mental fitness

[Port & Starboard]

You're seriously telling me "parole violations, contempt of court, illegal possession of firearms, and making terrorist threats", none of which are actual violence, is sufficient "combativeness" to justify the state using 500 police, firing 10,000 rounds of ammunition, burning down 61 homes, in an attempt to murder 6 adults and 5 children?

I'm not crawling down to join you in that shitty wormhole just because you are stuck on using extreme outliers and diatribes to make your argument.

 

[Blue Dog]

Not sure why anyone would join law enforcement nowadays….

 

[spud_meister]

I'm not crawling down to join you in that shitty wormhole just because you are stuck on using extreme outliers and diatribes to make your argument.

Fair enough, not everyone's an intellectual. I'll keep it simple then. Liberal capitalist states historically used violence to seize land and resources in a process known as primitive accumulation. Once this land was seized, it was, and is still, held privately by the threat of violence from the capitalist state. As I pointed out in post #14, anything that challenges the capitalist status quo is met with state violence.

 

[spud_meister]

Are all police forces the Gestapo? That police force was an extension of a centralized federal (and criminal) regime, which is hardly the case in most jurisdictions.

All have the potential to be. The US police in the South arose out of slave patrols, and enforced Jim Crow until the Civil Righst Movement. Colonial police forces commited atrocities everywhere from Kenya to Australia. French police happily turned Jews over to the Gestapo in Vichy France. Capitalist regimes are all built on violence, and so police will be as violent as is needed to maintain the capitalist system.

 

[multivita-man]

All have the potential to be.

All democracies have the potential to elect Nazis to parliament so let's just cut the shit on get on with dictatorship then.

The reason that all police forces don't become Gestapo is because of public accountability. If the Sinaloa cartel cuts someone's head off, who's going to sue them for police brutality?

The US police in the South arose out of slave patrols, and enforced Jim Crow until the Civil Righst Movement. Colonial police forces commited atrocities everywhere from Kenya to Australia. French police happily turned Jews over to the Gestapo in Vichy France. Capitalist regimes are all built on violence, and so police will be as violent as is needed to maintain the capitalist system.

Is North Korea a capitalist regime?

 

[multivita-man]

Not sure why anyone would join law enforcement nowadays….

Like a lot of other public employees over the last 3 years, police officers left in pretty high numbers. There was better pay in the private sector. Not surprisingly, crime rates soared. There's fairly good data - albeit less than empirical - that police presence deters crime. I am absolutely in favor of major reforms to policing culture and I think it will require some federal involvement, but people are living in fantasyland if they think that their streets are going to be safer with a significantly lower police presence.

 

[spud_meister]

All democracies have the potential to elect Nazis to parliament so let's just cut the shit on get on with dictatorship then.

Something has to fundamentally change for democracies to become fascist, police don't have to fundamentally change to become the Gestapo, as systemic violence is built in to what they do.

The reason that all police forces don't become Gestapo is because of public accountability. If the Sinaloa cartel cuts someone's head off, who's going to sue them for police brutality?

Wait, so what changed in terms of public accountability after the Civil Rights Movement, when police stopped violently stopping black people from sitting at the wrong end of a bus?

Is North Korea a capitalist regime?

Are North Korean police violent?

 

[multivita-man]

Something has to fundamentally change for democracies to become fascist, police don't have to fundamentally change to become the Gestapo, as systemic violence is built in to what they do.

You watch YouTube videos and see the worst of the police and therefore that's the police. That's like saying all teachers are sexual predators because some teachers are attracted to their students.

Wait, so what changed in terms of public accountability after the Civil Rights Movement, when police stopped violently stopping black people from sitting at the wrong end of a bus?

Try doing some research. There are civil rights laws that specifically prohibit using the color of law to deprive people of civil rights, and officers go to jail for it. Officers go to jail now. More of them should go to jail when they abuse their power, and I think it's gradually moving in that direction. Not fast enough, agreed, but it's progress nevertheless, and that's because contrary to what you say, there is accountability.

Are North Korean police violent?

Stupid question.

 

[Peter]

Countries didn't have police forces for most of human history. And we wouldn't have has the worst crimes of the 20th century authoritarians without them.

We certainly did have police in the past.
They just weren't as organised or regimented as they are today.

I'd live to see a country now try and run without a police force though.
What do you mean we wouldn't have the worst crimes without the police?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

That would be a great point, if all cops did was stop violent people. Cops exist to force people to participate in the system. That's why left-wing protestors face police violence at a greater rate than right-wing ones. That's why homeless people face state violence. That's why capitalist property rights are enforced on land that was stolen by violence. That's why you face violence if you don't pay taxes.

Non-violent protests, being homeless, being Indigenous, and not paying taxes aren't violence, but they are met with violence from the state because the system is violent. The US has the biggest bureaucracy ever to exist, all with the intent of forcing people through actual or threatened violence to stay within the system.

Silly commie

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Liberal capitalism.



Yeah. Thank God the Gestapo weren't warlords...

National socialism is not liberal capitalism.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Being a 'good cop' doesn't require just a good heart but almost impossible mental fitness. I'm enrolling in the police academy and currently am part of armed security force in California. I just keep a straight face and just remind myself I'm not part of this if the status quo does get abusive. Hold my breath and try not to enjoy it.

@Luce

 

[Jason Warfield]

Being a 'good cop' doesn't require just a good heart but almost impossible mental fitness. I'm enrolling in the police academy and currently am part of armed security force in California. I just keep a straight face and just remind myself I'm not part of this if the status quo does get abusive. Hold my breath and try not to enjoy it.

Perhaps this job is not for you. Being serious, not trying to be insulting or sarcastic.

 

[Andyh2299]

Perhaps this job is not for you. Being serious, not trying to be insulting or sarcastic.

What you think that stuff makes you tough?

 

[spud_meister]

You watch YouTube videos and see the worst of the police and therefore that's the police. That's like saying all teachers are sexual predators because some teachers are attracted to their students.

I've said previously, it doesn't matter if individual police are violent or not, the system is based on violence.

Try doing some research. There are civil rights laws that specifically prohibit using the color of law to deprive people of civil rights, and officers go to jail for it. Officers go to jail now. More of them should go to jail when they abuse their power, and I think it's gradually moving in that direction. Not fast enough, agreed, but it's progress nevertheless, and that's because contrary to what you say, there is accountability.

There is now. But prior to civil rights, the police were just as happy to violently suppress the black population. And nothing fundamentally changed about policing to accommodate that shift, so nothing needs change to reverse it, because no matter what the system actually says, whether it's more or less racist, it's still enforced by violence.

Stupid question.

Is it? Why would you assume North Korean police are the same as US ones, given that Juche is a different system to capitalism?

 

[spud_meister]

We certainly did have police in the past.
They just weren't as organised or regimented as they are today.

I'd live to see a country now try and run without a police force though.
What do you mean we wouldn't have the worst crimes without the police?

No. Armed government employees protecting private property is a modern invention. Through most of history, private and personal property was protected by the individual owners or their hirelings.

Police enable governments to oppress on an unprecedented level. To take millions of lives systematically needs a civilian bureaucracy, as we saw with the Gestapo during the Holocaust.

 

[spud_meister]

National socialism is not liberal capitalism.

It's illiberal capitalism. The role of police was still the same.

 

[spud_meister]

Silly commie

That's not a rebuttal, silly fascist.

 

[multivita-man]

I've said previously, it doesn't matter if individual police are violent or not, the system is based on violence.

All systems are capable of producing violence for the purpose of social control. However, most interactions that people have with law enforcement are non-violent. If the system were based on violence, you'd see a lot more violence than there is now. It's worth noting that the police are often met with violence themselves, so it's a two-way street.

There is now. But prior to civil rights, the police were just as happy to violently suppress the black population. And nothing fundamentally changed about policing to accommodate that shift, so nothing needs change to reverse it, because no matter what the system actually says, whether it's more or less racist, it's still enforced by violence.

I have no idea what your point is, and I don't think you do either. The bold is what matters, though. You acknowledge that the system has changed and that it changed because there's public oversight and accountability, as there should be.

Is it? Why would you assume North Korean police are the same as US ones, given that Juche is a different system to capitalism?

I didn't say they were the same. But the North Korean system uses violence to maintain order, and unlike in more open capitalist societies, there is no public accountability. The government is the final word on the matter.

 

[Maidenrules29]

Good luck on becoming a bastard.

Oh, great. An ACAB guy. Worry about your own country.

 

[Maidenrules29]

I'm not crawling down to join you in that shitty wormhole just because you are stuck on using extreme outliers and diatribes to make your argument.

Communist trolls are'nt even worth responding to.......

 

[jaypatriot]

Good luck on becoming a bastard.

Are you making a definitive statement for all 750,000 cops in the country.
Have you been stopped recently by a cop who wasn't nice to you?

 

[Luce]

Being a 'good cop' doesn't require just a good heart but almost impossible mental fitness. I'm enrolling in the police academy and currently am part of armed security force in California. I just keep a straight face and just remind myself I'm not part of this if the status quo does get abusive. Hold my breath and try not to enjoy it.

So you haven't even started training yet, and you know what makes a good cop? '

I see great things coming your way. You'll be the commissioner by this time next year.

 

[Luce]

You're seriously telling me "parole violations, contempt of court, illegal possession of firearms, and making terrorist threats", none of which are actual violence, is sufficient "combativeness" to justify the state using 500 police, firing 10,000 rounds of ammunition, burning down 61 homes, in an attempt to murder 6 adults and 5 children?

A terrorist threat is considered an act of violence.

 

[Luce]

Good luck on becoming a bastard.

*grinning bastard.