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Before we help Ukraine any more should Biden ask Zelenskyy for 'a favor'?

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Since this is a precedent set by a former president, would it be ok for biden to ask for something in return?
 

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Before we help Ukraine any more should Biden ask Zelenskyy for 'a favor'?​



Yes, we should ask them for whatever tapes they have of Rudy lying on a bed with his hands in his pants in front of a young girl. Bound to be one or two of those floating around there.
 

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Two wrongs... as tired as we are of Republicans rightly thinking that all the crimes they do, Democrats won't do to them, that's still usually the price worth paying so we have a good government when Democrats are in power.
 

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Since this is a precedent set by a former president, would it be ok for biden to ask for something in return?
It is "favors" from/for US politicians that has gotten Ukraine into this mess.

Zelensky probably wishes he wasn't in the unfortunate position of having to do favors for corrupt globalists, but he doesn't have much choice.
 

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Lots of traitors in Congress loudly applauding Zelensky’s address today who turned a blind eye to Trump’s attempt to extort him three years ago.
 

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It is "favors" from/for US politicians that has gotten Ukraine into this mess.

Zelensky probably wishes he wasn't in the unfortunate position of having to do favors for corrupt globalists, but he doesn't have much choice.
Which favors are those?
 

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Which favors are those?
Oh, a couple that come to mind...

1. Congress authorizing money to be given to Ukraine and Biden/Obama withholding the money until Ukraine gets rid of a prosecutor.

2. A Presidential candidate's campaign had an operative ask the Ukrainian government for help in digging up dirt on their political opponent. It makes one wonder what that candidate promised Ukraine in return.

I'm sure you know about the first one, but perhaps you aren't aware of the second one. The media hasn't ever talked about that one much.

 

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I do not think it a good idea for Sleepy to start taking coke as well as his other medications .
 

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Oh, a couple that come to mind...

1. Congress authorizing money to be given to Ukraine and Biden/Obama withholding the money until Ukraine gets rid of a prosecutor.

2. A Presidential candidate's campaign had an operative ask the Ukrainian government for help in digging up dirt on their political opponent. It makes one wonder what that candidate promised Ukraine in return.

I'm sure you know about the first one, but perhaps you aren't aware of the second one. The media hasn't ever talked about that one much.

#1. Obama/Biden were in consultation with the UN and NATO countries regarding the removal of said prosecutor. Their actions were agreed upon by everyone and Biden made the call. The whole idea was to root out corruption form Ukraine. He was a known corrupt prosecutor. Mission accomplished.

#2. Was anyone indicted? I don't recall. That seems to be the conservative rule before anyone is punished for anything.
 

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#1. Obama/Biden were in consultation with the UN and NATO countries regarding the removal of said prosecutor. Their actions were agreed upon by everyone and Biden made the call. The whole idea was to root out corruption form Ukraine. He was a known corrupt prosecutor. Mission accomplished.

#2. Was anyone indicted? I don't recall. That seems to be the conservative rule before anyone is punished for anything.
Just because the entire Globalist community is in on the money deals, scams and quid pro quo and just because our corrupt government doesn't indict, that doesn't mean the corruption doesn't exist.

I was asked for examples and I gave them.
 

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Just because the entire Globalist community is in on the money deals, scams and quid pro quo and just because our corrupt government doesn't indict, that doesn't mean the corruption doesn't exist.

I was asked for examples and I gave them.
Yes of course....lets not just support domestic anarchy...lets support the entire western world in anarchy. Putin would have a field day which for some members of this forum is their wet dream scenario.
 

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Biden sending more advanced drones to Ukraine. Though I would prefer that the public not be so well informed about ordinance transfers before they are actually in Ukraine knocking out Russian assets......Shove them right up their Russian asses and detonate.
 

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Yes of course....lets not just support domestic anarchy...lets support the entire western world in anarchy. Putin would have a field day which for some members of this forum is their wet dream scenario.
shrug...

You can support whatever you want, but I don't support anarchy.
 

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1. Congress authorizing money to be given to Ukraine and Biden/Obama withholding the money until Ukraine gets rid of a prosecutor.
Biden’s ultimatum to the government of Ukraine, at the direction of Obama, and with the full support of European leaders and Ukrainian anti-corruption advocates, has been dissected/argued ad nauseam.

A miserably failed right wing red herring.
2. A Presidential candidate's campaign had an operative ask the Ukrainian government for help in digging up dirt on their political opponent. It makes one wonder what that candidate promised Ukraine in return.
Your own reference proves the above is another in a long list of @Mycroft lies.
 

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Biden’s ultimatum to the government of Ukraine, at the direction of Obama, and with the full support of European leaders and Ukrainian anti-corruption advocates, has been dissected/argued ad nauseam.

A miserably failed right wing red herring.

Your own reference proves the above is another in a long list of @Mycroft lies.
The only thing that has been proven is that people who support corruption will always find a way to let corruption occur without penalty.
 

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The only thing that has been proven is that people who support corruption will always find a way to let corruption occur without penalty.
Your acknowledgment of lying is noted.
 

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It is "favors" from/for US politicians that has gotten Ukraine into this mess.

Zelensky probably wishes he wasn't in the unfortunate position of having to do favors for corrupt globalists, but he doesn't have much choice.
Zelensky is happy for the support he gets in his war against the corrupt murdering dictators. Every one of them around the world need to take notice. The fight for freedom is eternal.
 

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The only thing that has been proven is that people who support corruption will always find a way to let corruption occur without penalty.
Yes all those who take favors from Putin need to start worrying. His days are numbered and his corruption unmatched. Long live a free Ukraine!
 

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Zelensky is happy for the support he gets in his war against the corrupt murdering dictators.
Of course, he is. It enables him to keep letting his own people get killed while he avoids making a deal with Russia.

It also gets him and his corrupt government a lot of money. You don't think ALL of that money is going to be used to fight the Russians, do you?
 

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Since this is a precedent set by a former president, would it be ok for biden to ask for something in return?
Like a job for Hunter?
 

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Of course, he is. It enables him to keep letting his own people get killed while he avoids making a deal with Russia.

It also gets him and his corrupt government a lot of money. You don't think ALL of that money is going to be used to fight the Russians, do you?
The Ukrainian people have been quite clear from the start of this war. They want their sovereignty and that is not negotiable. The only reason Putin is in negotiations at all is the his evil plan and his disorganized and disillusioned army are failing while the world watches his horrific assault on Ukrainian civilians like the psychotic coward he really is. Putin is the one with the corrupt Govt. whos assets have been frozen worldwide. He runs Russia like his personal piggy bank. Your projection is noted.
 

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Since this is a precedent set by a former president, would it be ok for biden to ask for something in return?
He already got the Favor !....
 

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