Beef: It's What's For A Heart Attack.

[Josie]

A diet which is high in red meat increases the risk from cancer. A diet which is exclusively meat based will increase that risk.

Red Meat and Colorectal Cancer - PMC

Colorectal cancer (CRC) is the third most common cancer in men and the second in women worldwide. More than half of cases occur in more developed countries. The consumption of red meat (beef, pork, lamb, veal, mutton) is high in developed countries ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Yes, I'm aware of the studies about the correlation between red meat and cancer, diabetes, etc. It may cause cancer. It may cause diabetes. It also may not. It's not proven.

I don't know of any study that shows eating only animal products causes cancer (which is what you said would happen eating steak and eggs every day). There are entire groups of people who only eat meat and have for thousands of years:

The History of All-Meat Diets - Diagnosis Diet

Mainstream nutrition advice instructs us to avoid meat and opt instead for a plant-based diet. But how healthy were Eskimos and other people around the world who ate all-meat diets?

www.diagnosisdiet.com

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I don't see a question in there. I didn't realize you were waiting for a response. You're entitled to your opinion on the diet. I understand how many people are freaked out by it. But the anecdotal content coming in from those who have been eating this way for years is promising. There definitely needs to be more studies done on people who have been eating animal products for a long period of time.

There are many studies on eating low-carb diets and how effective they are for all sorts of physical and mental ailments. I like watching and reading what Nick Norwitz researches and writes about it. Dr. Kiltz is a fertility doctor that puts his patients on low-carb diets in order to help them conceive. A few studies have been done on how your diet affects neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimers and Parkinsons too. I find it all fascinating.

Like I said, I know it's a polarizing diet. But surely, we can all agree that eating whole foods like meat, eggs, veggies, fruits is much healthier than eating packaged, ultra-processed food, fast food, etc. every day.

 

[Kelby]

Yes, I'm aware of the studies about the correlation between red meat and cancer, diabetes, etc. It may cause cancer. It may cause diabetes. It also may not. It's not proven.

I don't know of any study that shows eating only animal products causes cancer (which is what you said would happen eating steak and eggs every day). There are entire groups of people who only eat meat and have for thousands of years:

The History of All-Meat Diets - Diagnosis Diet

Mainstream nutrition advice instructs us to avoid meat and opt instead for a plant-based diet. But how healthy were Eskimos and other people around the world who ate all-meat diets?

www.diagnosisdiet.com

I don't see a question in there. I didn't realize you were waiting for a response. You're entitled to your opinion on the diet. I understand how many people are freaked out by it. But the anecdotal content coming in from those who have been eating this way for years is promising. There definitely needs to be more studies done on people who have been eating animal products for a long period of time.

There are many studies on eating low-carb diets and how effective they are for all sorts of physical and mental ailments. I like watching and reading what Nick Norwitz researches and writes about it. Dr. Kiltz is a fertility doctor that puts his patients on low-carb diets in order to help them conceive. A few studies have been done on how your diet affects neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimers and Parkinsons too. I find it all fascinating.

Like I said, I know it's a polarizing diet. But surely, we can all agree that eating whole foods like meat, eggs, veggies, fruits is much healthier than eating packaged, ultra-processed food, fast food, etc. every day.

Well said.

 

[Decypher]

Yes, I'm aware of the studies about the correlation between red meat and cancer, diabetes, etc. It may cause cancer. It may cause diabetes. It also may not. It's not proven.

I don't know of any study that shows eating only animal products causes cancer (which is what you said would happen eating steak and eggs every day). There are entire groups of people who only eat meat and have for thousands of years:

The History of All-Meat Diets - Diagnosis Diet

Mainstream nutrition advice instructs us to avoid meat and opt instead for a plant-based diet. But how healthy were Eskimos and other people around the world who ate all-meat diets?

www.diagnosisdiet.com

I don't see a question in there. I didn't realize you were waiting for a response. You're entitled to your opinion on the diet. I understand how many people are freaked out by it. But the anecdotal content coming in from those who have been eating this way for years is promising. There definitely needs to be more studies done on people who have been eating animal products for a long period of time.

There are many studies on eating low-carb diets and how effective they are for all sorts of physical and mental ailments. I like watching and reading what Nick Norwitz researches and writes about it. Dr. Kiltz is a fertility doctor that puts his patients on low-carb diets in order to help them conceive. A few studies have been done on how your diet affects neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimers and Parkinsons too. I find it all fascinating.

Like I said, I know it's a polarizing diet. But surely, we can all agree that eating whole foods like meat, eggs, veggies, fruits is much healthier than eating packaged, ultra-processed food, fast food, etc. every day.

“Not proven” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

“The World Health Organization has classified processed meats including ham, bacon, salami and frankfurts as a Group 1 carcinogen (known to cause cancer) which means that there’s strong evidence that processed meats cause cancer. Eating processed meat increases your risk of bowel and stomach cancer. Red meat, such as beef, lamb and pork, has been classified as a Group 2A carcinogen which means it probably causes cancer.” source

“Due to the presence of heme iron, which triggers oxidative reactions that eventually result in tumor formation, red meat consumption is strongly associated with the development of breast cancer. Ingestion of red meat increases Helicobacter pylori infections, resulting in enhanced expression of the CagA gene and the secretion of pro-inflammatory cytokines. This is the leading cause of gastric cancer. There is a strong correlation between heterocyclic amines and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in red meat and the development of pancreatic cancer. However, additional research is necessary to confirm this finding.” source

If consumption of red meat increases the risks of cancer, it is logical to conclude a diet dominated by consumption of red meat would compound those risks.

You are right in that there is a lack of research on the carnivore diet, perhaps the claims made its advocates will be proven one day. Often conventional wisdom in nutritional science is wrong, sometimes deliberately so due to the influence of special interests on the food industry. Fat was demonised for decades where it was actually sugar which was causing many of the problems we see now. Over consumption of sugars in simple carbohydrates, like white bread, does seem to be linked with obesity, for example.

I agree with your last paragraph, a diet of whole foods is preferable to ultra processed foods. I eat beef, butter and eggs myself. They should be incorporated into a varied diet though, which includes lean meat, oily fish, lots of vegetables and fruit, legumes, nuts, seeds and healthy grains.

 

[Rexedgar]

“Not proven” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

“The World Health Organization has classified processed meats including ham, bacon, salami and frankfurts as a Group 1 carcinogen (known to cause cancer) which means that there’s strong evidence that processed meats cause cancer. Eating processed meat increases your risk of bowel and stomach cancer. Red meat, such as beef, lamb and pork, has been classified as a Group 2A carcinogen which means it probably causes cancer.” source

“Due to the presence of heme iron, which triggers oxidative reactions that eventually result in tumor formation, red meat consumption is strongly associated with the development of breast cancer. Ingestion of red meat increases Helicobacter pylori infections, resulting in enhanced expression of the CagA gene and the secretion of pro-inflammatory cytokines. This is the leading cause of gastric cancer. There is a strong correlation between heterocyclic amines and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in red meat and the development of pancreatic cancer. However, additional research is necessary to confirm this finding.” source

If consumption of red meat increases the risks of cancer, it is logical to conclude a diet dominated by consumption of red meat would compound those risks.

You are right in that there is a lack of research on the carnivore diet, perhaps the claims made its advocates will be proven one day. Often conventional wisdom in nutritional science is wrong, sometimes deliberately so due to the influence of special interests on the food industry. Fat was demonised for decades where it was actually sugar which was causing many of the problems we see now. Over consumption of sugars in simple carbohydrates, like white bread, does seem to be linked with obesity, for example.

I agree with your last paragraph, a diet of whole foods is preferable to ultra processed foods. I eat beef, butter and eggs myself. They should be incorporated into a varied diet though, which includes lean meat, oily fish, lots of vegetables and fruit, legumes, nuts, seeds and healthy grains.

A well regulated person!

 

[Decypher]

A well regulated person!

I’m not always so virtuous! I still sometimes eat cheeseburgers and fried chicken as well like anyone. I’m just not on Instagram saying a beer and beef jerky diet cured my sciatica or whatever.

 

[Rexedgar]

 

[Josie]

I’m not always so virtuous! I still sometimes eat cheeseburgers and fried chicken as well like anyone. I’m just not on Instagram saying a beer and beef jerky diet cured my sciatica or whatever.

Well, because it wouldn't.

Eliminating all of the non-foods in your diet will most likely immensely help alleviate symptoms of a host of different ailments. What we eat has more impact on how we feel physically and mentally than I ever knew, really.

 

[Peacenik]

Constipation is an issue with many. Some following carnivore often find they have less constipation.

Fiber is the answer to too much meat and cheese.

 

[Josie]

Constipation city.

Only if you are eating lean meats and not much fats.

 

[gboisjo]

The problem in the US around food isn't beef, its the slob mentality that's killing us.

Beef has important nutrients only found in red meat, essential amino acids like carnitine.

Its the double quarter pounder with bacon and extra cheese.

Its the baconator, the double whopper and a obese population with high blood pressure, diabetes and heart issues.

 

[TamleeB]

The problem in the US around food isn't beef, its the slob mentality that's killing us.

Beef has important nutrients only found in red meat, essential amino acids like carnitine.

Its the double quarter pounder with bacon and extra cheese.

Its the baconator, the double whopper and a obese population with high blood pressure, diabetes and heart issues.

Grass fed beef is fine. I agree with you on the double quarter pounder and cheese…and add to it the French fries fried in seed oil and it can eventually impact your health. Coconut oil and tallow are both much healthier alternatives.

 

[TamleeB]

Well, because it wouldn't.

Eliminating all of the non-foods in your diet will most likely immensely help alleviate symptoms of a host of different ailments. What we eat has more impact on how we feel physically and mentally than I ever knew, really.

Sugar is a major issue in the American diet. Along with processed grains. It removes many of the needed nutrients, including fiber, iron and vitamin B. Most of our modern day breakfast cereals are loaded with sugar, and unhealthy grains. Seed oils (that we were told for years were “better” for us) are actually often not the best choice.

 

[Lycanthrope]

the problem isn't eating beef

the problem is the KIND of beef

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The kind, and the amount comsumed.

 

[gboisjo]

The kind, and the amount comsumed.

Eating meat drove the evolution of bigger brains in humans, evolution 101.

Meat gave our distant ancestors the brain power that made higher level decision making like becoming a vegetarian possible.

We're designed to eat meat, fruits and vegetables and grains.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Eating meat drove the evolution of bigger brains in humans, evolution 101.

Meat gave our distant ancestors the brain power that made higher level decision making like becoming a vegetarian possible.

We're designed to eat meat, fruits and vegetables and grains.

We are omnivores, yes. What I am speaking to specifically are two things - the amount of meat we eat (which is arguably too much) and its quality. For most of us our meat comes from factory farms and is overly processed/laden with steroids and antibiotics.

 

[gboisjo]

We are omnivores, yes. What I am speaking to specifically are two things - the amount of meat we eat (which is arguably too much) and its quality. For most of us our meat comes from factory farms and is overly processed/laden with steroids and antibiotics.

Agreed, as the world population increases finding unprocessed food will become rare.

And if you want it, it will cost double or triple. Add inflation to the mix and its $20.00 bucks for a small steak.

For the first time in decades, life expectancy is down in the US, disease and diet are to blame.

A golden rule I try to live by is shop near the peripheral walls when grocery shopping, avoid the inner isles where all the chemicals and garbage is.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Agreed, as the world population increases finding unprocessed food will become rare.

And if you want it, it will cost double or triple. Add inflation to the mix and its $20.00 bucks for a small steak.

For the first time in decades, life expectancy is down in the US, disease and diet are to blame.

A golden rule I try to live by is shop near the peripheral walls when grocery shopping, avoid the inner isles where all the chemicals and garbage is.

Agreed to the bolded. And while I am not vegetarian my meat consumption has changed drastically in the last 15 years - eating far less of it and getting grass fed/antibiotic free when I do. Doesn't help me when I go out to eat obviously, but it's not a zero sum game. You make the choices/changes where you can.

 

[Noodlegawd]

A diet which is high in red meat increases the risk from cancer. A diet which is exclusively meat based will increase that risk.

Red Meat and Colorectal Cancer - PMC

Colorectal cancer (CRC) is the third most common cancer in men and the second in women worldwide. More than half of cases occur in more developed countries. The consumption of red meat (beef, pork, lamb, veal, mutton) is high in developed countries ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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The studies indicated that consuming around a quarter pound of red meat per day is associated with somewhere between a zero and 25% increase in risk of colorectal cancer, which itself accounts for less than 2% of deaths in the US.

 

[Peter]

Who eats beef every day?

 

[Josie]

Who eats beef every day?

Lots of people.