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Beef: It's What's For A Heart Attack.

Helix said:
I'd say that your best bet is to go see your doctor as often as he or she recommends for checkups. As you get older, the number of those checkups will increase. You want to catch problems early, and they take a pretty close look at your heart health.

As for red meat, I think it's a moderation thing. If I ever have a heart problem and my doctor tells me to ditch meat, though, I'll probably have to do it. I have done it before, and it was fine, if a bit inconvenient in a state where everyone else is meat crazy and that's most of what is offered is at family events and drive through restaurants. Believe it or not, Taco Bell is one of the easiest fast food places to go if you're a vegetarian, because you can just substitute beans or refried beans for the beef.
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Still need an accessible porcelain convenience within 30 minutes?
 
beancounter said:
There are potential risks to such a lifestyle. You're unlikly to drop dead out of the blue.

Long term chronic health issues, mounting medical bills, frequent doctor/hospital vists, etc. are likley to lower your quality of life.
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And cost everybody else thru raising the cost of health care.
 
Peacenik said:
The big money corporate act of wealth extraction through food sales is to create the most processed foods possible with just the right combination of salt, fat and sugar. And lots of trickery in packaging; and lots of money spent on marketing.

Your health is not a concern.
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I made a similar post in the “Finland Ends Homelessness,” thread. All about the money.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
Do I want to survive to 1the century mark and live in a bubble or do I want to make it to 85 while having fun and eating tasty sizzles from the grill?

Oh, let me think about that for... grill me up a burger!
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The final years could be pretty rough with heart disease.
 
If this is true, why does heart disease keep increasing as beef consumption has decreased?
 
Josie said:
If this is true, why does heart disease keep increasing as beef consumption has decreased?
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Because there are more causes than just eating red meat. Eating lots of sugar, fat and salt isn't a very good idea. Lack of exercise is huge.
 
Josie said:
If this is true, why does heart disease keep increasing as beef consumption has decreased?
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There is more to cardiac problems than just beef consumption, imo.
Peacenik said:
The final years could be pretty rough with heart disease.
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This affects my attitude, some days. If today was the worst day and I would live my remaining days at this pain/discomfort level, and then pass, I would be “happy.”
It’s going to be a log slide and I fear the time that I will no longer be in “control.” Hopefully, by that point, I’ll be unaware……..
 
Peacenik said:
Because there are more causes than just eating red meat. Eating lots of sugar, fat and salt isn't a very good idea. Lack of exercise is huge.
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Based on the results people are getting from the carnivore diet, I would say that it's not beef at all, but what you're eating WITH the beef (sugary drinks, desserts, highly processed "food"). I bet it will be proven someday that high fructose corn syrup is the main culprit of so many diseases.
 
Rexedgar said:
There is more to cardiac problems than just beef consumption, imo.
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Or it's all of those other things and not beef at all. 🤷
 
Peacenik said:
We all pay for stupid eating in higher healthcare costs.
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Changes nothing in any statement I've made in this thread, let me know when you are ready to talk about the regulation you think applies to eating you feel should be controlled by government but does not apply to other things impacting healthcare.
 
Allan said:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Red Meat Intake and the Risk of Cardiovascular Diseases: A Prospective Cohort Study in the Million Veteran Program - PubMed

Red meat consumption is associated with an increased risk of CVD. Our findings support lowering red meat intake and replacing red meat with plant-based protein sources or low-fat dairy foods as a key dietary recommendation for the prevention of CVD.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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That isn't a study that shows that beef causes heart disease. All of the people in the study were eating a wide variety of food (like in the picture that you just showed).
 
Allan said:
It is.

Variables were controlled for.
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No, it shows correlation, Allan. If people were also eating pasta, cereal, fast food, etc. then anything they ate could be correlated to the heart disease.
 
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