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Beck: Release of AP and IRS Scandals Timed to Cover-Up Benghazi

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Does anyone actually believe this guy, his comments are totally insane?

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what is insane about the Obama administration orchestrating the IRS/AP scandals against itself to deflect attention away from a benghazi scandal which has no legs [/s]
 
As always, Mr. Beck thank liberals for their unending following. All those page views and posts put money in his pocket. Look behind you--that is the garden path the progressives have been lead down.
 
I'm not sure where controversy lies since I recall in the IRS hearings it being clear that it was a planted question.

As per Benghazi, I didn't really have any interest in it at all until the hearings a few weeks ago so I'd say it was certainly picking up steam.

I can't honestly think of why they'd plant that question. I don't agree that it was to deflect from Benghazi because the IRS scandal seems to be much worse.
 
Well, ok. So Beck has a point. I mean it's not entirely impossible for this to be true, that the administration pushed on these scandals because they are more "minor" scandals to move the public interest away from Benghazi. And in a way, its admirable that there are people in the public dialogue who do not let Benghazi go away. Because you know, it's not healthy for the public to be a goldfish.

But...

It's glenn beck. Come on, the guy is a complete and utter moron. The fact that he comes out with these statements is going to remove all credibility from them. I mean, sure, people who trust Glenn beck will be ok with it, but the rest of know that he is a fool. An embarrassment for both men and journalism. And let me tell you, its pretty hard to become an embarrassment to journalism today (since its already in the dumpster).

But that doesn't alter the possibility that this may be the case. Though form my perspective, the Obama administration is idiotic if they wanted to do this. benghazi was going to dry out anyway. There is just too much energy spent on it with too little reward (politically) to make a difference and the opinion is already polarized on this matter. Those who believe it to be a disaster and a sign of incompetence will continue to believe this, those who don't, will continue to not see it that way. The ones who haven't made up their minds are the people who really don't care all that much. Fighting to make them care for your side or the other is a battle not worth fighting, politically. Election season is over.

Ofc, from an institutional and governing principle, finding out the truth and laying this matter to rest is a desirable objective. But politically, it's a dead end. I don't think the Obama administration had anything to do with these 2 scandals. I think it was orchestrated by someone else who desired to just hurt the PR of Obama. Could be a republican... could very well be a democrat... or could be someone else.
 
This only illustrates just how insane and detached from any form of logic the conservatives are, and how even their media knows it.

The story from Glen is that Obama was facing so much trouble from benghazi from impeachment and public opinion that he deliberately leaked two more things that he was covering up in hopes it would make things better? I would think Glen was insane, or just trying to be the next Onion, but it is clear some people around here are buying this. What is worse is it actually tries to undermine their own insistence the stories are important. These two things are so trivial that Obama released them to cover up the republican lying about benghazi.

The next time you think Glen Beck is the problem remember people bought this load of BS, and he makes money off of selling the gullible BS.
 
What was insane about that? Sounds like a perfectly legitimate opinion to me,

This doesn't surprise me at all. Four Americans tragically died at Benghazi and the Right not only wants to blame President Obama for their deaths, but also accuses him of lying about the circumstances surrounding their deaths. Most of what was said about the cause of the attacks turned out to be not true, however the unclassified talking points Susan Rice used on the Sunday talk shows following the attack were approved by the CIA.

David Ignatius: Benghazi intelligence revealed - The Washington Post

“Talking points” prepared by the CIA on Sept. 15, the same day that Rice taped three television appearances, support her description of the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate as a reaction to Arab anger about an anti-Muslim video prepared in the United States. According to the CIA account, “The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. Consulate and subsequently its annex. There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations.”​

 
BWHAHHAHAHAHAH!

So now GOP fake scandals generated by Issa and the Tea Party Occupation forces in Congress are all Obama's doing!

It's like just when you think the tea party is as loonie as it can get, it gets loonier.
 
What was insane about that? Sounds like a perfectly legitimate opinion to me,

Why does that sound legitimate? Seriously, Obama cooked up an actual criminal act (i.e. breaking the law) to cover up a non-criminal act (i.e. no laws broken)?

That sounds pretty freaking crazy to me! To you, anything Beck says makes sense, but to anybody who thinks about it for a second, it's nuts.

Maybe he cooked up the whole Benghazi scandal to distract from his Birth Certificate.
 
Why does that sound legitimate? Seriously, Obama cooked up an actual criminal act (i.e. breaking the law) to cover up a non-criminal act (i.e. no laws broken)?

That sounds pretty freaking crazy to me! To you, anything Beck says makes sense, but to anybody who thinks about it for a second, it's nuts.

Maybe he cooked up the whole Benghazi scandal to distract from his Birth Certificate.

Why do you think the IRS planted the question thus sparking the scandal?
 
It makes sense IF Benghazi is much worse for the administration than they want us to know (which is what Beck thinks).
 
Why do you think the IRS planted the question thus sparking the scandal?

I've been struggling with that question myself. It should seem obvious, cover-up means don't draw attention to it. Plus, as you said, the IRS thing is way worse than Benghazi if it's true. Maybe it was about to come out anyway, so they figured the first mention should be an apology? I don't know, even that makes no sense to me.

If you don't want people to pay attention to it, don't advertise it.
 
It makes sense IF Benghazi is much worse for the administration than they want us to know (which is what Beck thinks).

That's why Beck is wrong, and why he's about to cause the GOP to bark up the wrong tree.
 
I've been struggling with that question myself. It should seem obvious, cover-up means don't draw attention to it. Plus, as you said, the IRS thing is way worse than Benghazi if it's true. Maybe it was about to come out anyway, so they figured the first mention should be an apology? I don't know, even that makes no sense to me.

If you don't want people to pay attention to it, don't advertise it.

It adds credibility to the scandal as well for the IRS to admit it. There's deniability if some whistle blower comes forward with it. If it were about to come out, it must have been from a very reliable source and it must have been much worse than is presently known.

Either way it makes absolutely no sense.
 
It makes sense IF Benghazi is much worse for the administration than they want us to know (which is what Beck thinks).

so, (a) beck knows something that he is not telling us, which would cause benghazi to be a more dire situation than it now seems;
or (b) beck is being beck and making **** up in his efforts to snow the clueless, in order to make a buck

who here believes it is option (a) that we are looking at?
 
It makes sense IF Benghazi is much worse for the administration than they want us to know (which is what Beck thinks).

Beck also thinks everybody should buy gold. Yeah, that really worked out well.
 
Why does that sound legitimate? Seriously, Obama cooked up an actual criminal act (i.e. breaking the law) to cover up a non-criminal act (i.e. no laws broken)?

Beck didn't say that. He is pondering why the planted question that revealed the IRS scandal. Which is a legitimate question to ask, and his speculation is also a legitimate possibility, even if you aren't capable of accepting it.
 
Beck didn't say that. He is pondering why the planted question that revealed the IRS scandal. Which is a legitimate question to ask, and his speculation is also a legitimate possibility, even if you aren't capable of accepting it.

It's still nuts. The administration deliberately revealed something worse than Benghazi to distract from Benghazi? That's like sleeping with your friends wife and then raping his Mom so he stops thinking about that.
 
That's why Beck is wrong, and why he's about to cause the GOP to bark up the wrong tree.

I don't think he can cause the GOP to do anything.
 
Indirectly he can. He gets his listeners all riled up, they call their Congressman....

exactly
he mobilizes a dis-proportionate voice
next to bribes - i mean campaign contributions - this is what congress responds to
 
Not sure what you mean by "disproportionate voice." We each have only one. Whose bad is it if Beck's listeners "mobilize"? Why not just mobilize other individuals who support YOUR point of view?
 
Not sure what you mean by "disproportionate voice." We each have only one. Whose bad is it if Beck's listeners "mobilize"? Why not just mobilize other individuals who support YOUR point of view?

when beck, or any other provocateur, rallies the lemmings to contact their congressmen, they often respond
while others, who may have a different view, are silent, those who regurgitated beck's incoherent ramblings get heard by their congressional representatives
and there is nothing wrong with that
it's the way our democracy works ... not necessarily positively

former senator Snowe's new book, Fighting for Common Ground: How We Can Fix the Stalemate in Congress, speaks to this
she recommends the same thing you do. if you have an interest, express it to your congressmen
 
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