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Bazant Misconduct website is launched[W:111]

Re: Bazant Misconduct website is launched

MicahJava said:
I'm no expert, but I know how to read. Apparently, you don't know anything either because of your use the phrase "Holloywood/comic book explosions"



Can you show me where he retracted his words? "I saw melting of girders at World Trade Center"



Guess what? He said WTC 7 was. I heard you the first time.



Squib - A type of fireworks slang for an electric match (see definition of electric match above). True squibs are actually blasting caps (initiators) used in the explosive industry to set off high explosives. This term crept into fireworks jargon by individuals that did not understand the differences between an electric match and a blasting cap. True squibs are not used for fireworks.

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Well, it looks like it has also been used as a phrase to describe any explosion of debris within the WTC destruction. So what? Can YOU explain why you can see the explosions coming out of the corner of the building?
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Hollywood/Comic Book describes your knowledge to a T.

You obviously get your "knowledge" from CT sites and are obviously ignorant of Astaneh-Asl's statements about how his words were misrepresented.

Sorry. You won't learn much there.

The term squibs have been used by people who don't know semtex from shinola and accepted by people sharing the same level of understanding.

Use a squib for CD and you might scare the mice in the building....

Ron White was right.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Hollywood/Comic Book describes your knowledge to a T.

You obviously get your "knowledge" from CT sites and are obviously ignorant of Astaneh-Asl's statements about how his words were misrepresented.

Sorry. You won't learn much there.

The term squibs have been used by people who don't know semtex from shinola and accepted by people sharing the same level of understanding.

Use a squib for CD and you might scare the mice in the building....

Ron White was right.
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How did those explosions come out of the corners, Fledermaus? Watch the videos for yourself. Slo-mo, close-up, frame-by-frame. They're not coming out of the windows like the others, they're coming out of the corners.
 
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MicahJava said:
How did those explosions come out of the corners, Fledermaus? Watch the videos for yourself. Slo-mo, close-up, frame-by-frame. They're not coming out of the windows like the others, they're coming out of the corners.
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And where are they?
 
Re: Bazant Misconduct website is launched

Fledermaus said:
Think about that statement.

Just think.

What do YOU think it means?

Molten as in liquefied?
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That seems to be exactly what me meant, if you look at the context of his statement.

Collapse of Overpass in California Becomes Lesson in Construction | PBS NewsHour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syXpA6B85Ek

SPENCER MICHELS: He gained an ally by speaking Farsi to the senior resident engineer who turned out to be a fellow Iranian-American. And he persuaded the operator of an elevated work platform to take him right up next to the damaged stub of the freeway, where he could photograph and take samples of the burned steel. He says his trained eye can figure out some details, like temperatures during the fire, on the spot.

ABOLHASSAN ASTANEH: Here, it most likely reached about 1,000 to 1,500 degrees. And that is enough to collapse them, so they collapsed. So the word "melting" should not be used for girders, because there was no melting of girders. I saw melting of girders in World Trade Center.

SPENCER MICHELS: But they got soft, though, didn't they?

ABOLHASSAN ASTANEH: Yes. When steel gets to 1,000 degrees, it loses its strength.

So, Astanah differentiated melting steel from weakened/softened steel, but said that the girders at WTC were melted/melting.
 
Re: Bazant Misconduct website is launched

MicahJava said:
How did those explosions come out of the corners, Fledermaus? Watch the videos for yourself. Slo-mo, close-up, frame-by-frame. They're not coming out of the windows like the others, they're coming out of the corners.
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And when did they occur?
 
Re: Bazant Misconduct website is launched

MicahJava said:
That seems to be exactly what me meant, if you look at the context of his statement.

Collapse of Overpass in California Becomes Lesson in Construction | PBS NewsHour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syXpA6B85Ek

SPENCER MICHELS: He gained an ally by speaking Farsi to the senior resident engineer who turned out to be a fellow Iranian-American. And he persuaded the operator of an elevated work platform to take him right up next to the damaged stub of the freeway, where he could photograph and take samples of the burned steel. He says his trained eye can figure out some details, like temperatures during the fire, on the spot.

ABOLHASSAN ASTANEH: Here, it most likely reached about 1,000 to 1,500 degrees. And that is enough to collapse them, so they collapsed. So the word "melting" should not be used for girders, because there was no melting of girders. I saw melting of girders in World Trade Center.

SPENCER MICHELS: But they got soft, though, didn't they?

ABOLHASSAN ASTANEH: Yes. When steel gets to 1,000 degrees, it loses its strength.

So, Astanah differentiated melting steel from weakened/softened steel, but said that the girders at WTC were melted/melting.
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Molten as in liquefied?
 
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Fledermaus said:
Molten as in liquefied?
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If it was liquefied it couldn't be described as a girder now, could it? We are probably dealing with red hot, not literally molten - not that it actually matters. No relevance established.
 
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Mark F said:
If it was liquefied it couldn't be described as a girder now, could it? We are probably dealing with red hot, not literally molten - not that it actually matters. No relevance established.
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I was reeling him in....

And his "squib" video shows post collapse expulsions that cannot be the initiator of the collapse.
 
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Fledermaus said:
I was reeling him in....

And his "squib" video shows post collapse expulsions that cannot be the initiator of the collapse.
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Naturally one of the problems with the alleged "squibs" is they are clearly a reaction to the building collapsing, not the other way around. That and the fact a "squib" (what Hollywood uses to fake bullet impacts) can't bring down a 110-story steel framed skyscraper because that would be the first time in history and as we well know if something has never happened before it can never happen.
 
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Fledermaus said:
And when did they occur?
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Uuum, David Chandler showed it in his video, but ok.

The closest view of the corner of North Tower is WNBC Dub3_31 (also How Towers Fell 02) in the NIST FOIA releases.

Here it is on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iT7mmmc-YY

Here it is on Youtube in super slow-motion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC0ZBSDBZCY

Here it is on a site that allows you to view Youtube videos frame-by-frame: RowVid

You can clearly see like three explosions originating from the CORNER.

Chandler's video also explains how video evidence shows that a giant piece of steel sticking up in the air starts falling down right at the exact moment that explosion happens. What a coincidence!

How do you think that happened?

I also gave you a video where you can see an explosion from the corner of the upper portion of the South Tower. In that one, you can actually see a flash of light and the hole that it made. After that happens, you can also see the corner deforming and folding up at the location where the explosion happened.
 
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Mark F said:
If it was liquefied it couldn't be described as a girder now, could it? We are probably dealing with red hot, not literally molten - not that it actually matters. No relevance established.
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Steel does not instantly become liquid when it heats to it's melting point. Astaneh would know that and you should know that.
 
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Mark F said:
Naturally one of the problems with the alleged "squibs" is they are clearly a reaction to the building collapsing, not the other way around. That and the fact a "squib" (what Hollywood uses to fake bullet impacts) can't bring down a 110-story steel framed skyscraper because that would be the first time in history and as we well know if something has never happened before it can never happen.
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Semantics garbage.
 
Re: Bazant Misconduct website is launched

Mark F said:
Naturally one of the problems with the alleged "squibs" is they are clearly a reaction to the building collapsing, not the other way around. That and the fact a "squib" (what Hollywood uses to fake bullet impacts) can't bring down a 110-story steel framed skyscraper because that would be the first time in history and as we well know if something has never happened before it can never happen.
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Full Definition of squib
1
a : a short humorous or satiric writing or speech
b : a short news item; especially : filler
2
a : a small firecracker
b : a broken firecracker in which the powder burns with a fizz
3
: a small electric or pyrotechnic device used to ignite a charge
 
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Fledermaus said:
And his "squib" video shows post collapse expulsions that cannot be the initiator of the collapse.
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Some of these "dust puffs" show up very early in the collapse. I've already pointed out how the ones you can see in the J. L. Hudson Department Store "flow" out (although many of the ones in the Twin Towers also behaved like typical explosions you can see in most demolitions, starting off fast and then slowing down).
 
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MicahJava said:
Some of these "dust puffs" show up very early in the collapse. I've already pointed out how the ones you can see in the J. L. Hudson Department Store "flow" out (although many of the ones in the Twin Towers also behaved like typical explosions you can see in most demolitions, starting off fast and then slowing down).
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"Dust puffs " were a result of the collapse. Not a cause of collapse.

Please stop.

You are passing below Hollywood/Comic Book level.
 
Re: Bazant Misconduct website is launched

MicahJava said:
Uuum, David Chandler showed it in his video, but ok.

The closest view of the corner of North Tower is WNBC Dub3_31 (also How Towers Fell 02) in the NIST FOIA releases.

Here it is on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iT7mmmc-YY

Here it is on Youtube in super slow-motion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC0ZBSDBZCY

Here it is on a site that allows you to view Youtube videos frame-by-frame: RowVid

You can clearly see like three explosions originating from the CORNER.

Chandler's video also explains how video evidence shows that a giant piece of steel sticking up in the air starts falling down right at the exact moment that explosion happens. What a coincidence!

How do you think that happened?

I also gave you a video where you can see an explosion from the corner of the upper portion of the South Tower. In that one, you can actually see a flash of light and the hole that it made. After that happens, you can also see the corner deforming and folding up at the location where the explosion happened.
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The placement is in and around the burning areas.

Explosives do not like fire.

The timing is POST COLLAPSE initiation.

Explosives do not make sense after the collapse initiation.
 
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MicahJava said:
Steel does not instantly become liquid when it heats to it's melting point. Astaneh would know that and you should know that.
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Which has nothing to do with what I just said about this most irrelevant of subjects.
 
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Fledermaus said:
So now it melted but did not become liquid .

It merely softened?
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Most pictures you'll see of molten steel is completely liquid and flowing, but if a giant beam is heated to steel-melting temperatures, it will take some time to become a pool of liquid. Astaneh could also mean that he saw only one part of a piece of steel that melted. At least two witnesses reported seeing that, you know.

"(Lee) Turner himself crawled through an opening and down crumpled stairwells to the subway, five levels below ground. He remembers seeing in the darkness a distant, pinkish glow–molten metal dripping from a beam–but found no signs of life."

https://web.archive.org/web/2014010...news.com/usnews/9_11/articles/911memories.htm

"Underground fires raged for months. Joe "Toolie" O'Toole remembers in February seeing a crane lift a steel beam vertically from deep within the catacombs of Ground Zero. "It was dripping from the molten steel," he said."

Recovery worker reflects on months spent at Ground Zero

What's the point of arguing about that here? Credible witnesses saw it, museums have artifacts from ground zero that have stated to contain previously molten steel and/or concrete, and Steven Jones tested those two chunks of iron. Particles in the WTC dust indicate temperatures even higher than the melting point of steel. Melted steel is a sign of exotic accelerates.
 
Re: Bazant Misconduct website is launched

Fledermaus said:
The placement is in and around the burning areas.

Explosives do not like fire.

The timing is POST COLLAPSE initiation.

Explosives do not make sense after the collapse initiation.
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So you have no theory for how explosions can originate from the corners of the buildings. Great.
 
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MicahJava said:
Most pictures you'll see of molten steel is completely liquid and flowing, but if a giant beam is heated to steel-melting temperatures, it will take some time to become a pool of liquid. Astaneh could also mean that he saw only one part of a piece of steel that melted. At least two witnesses reported seeing that, you know.

"(Lee) Turner himself crawled through an opening and down crumpled stairwells to the subway, five levels below ground. He remembers seeing in the darkness a distant, pinkish glow–molten metal dripping from a beam–but found no signs of life."

https://web.archive.org/web/2014010...news.com/usnews/9_11/articles/911memories.htm

"Underground fires raged for months. Joe "Toolie" O'Toole remembers in February seeing a crane lift a steel beam vertically from deep within the catacombs of Ground Zero. "It was dripping from the molten steel," he said."

Recovery worker reflects on months spent at Ground Zero

What's the point of arguing about that here? Credible witnesses saw it, museums have artifacts from ground zero that have stated to contain previously molten steel and/or concrete, and Steven Jones tested those two chunks of iron. Particles in the WTC dust indicate temperatures even higher than the melting point of steel. Melted steel is a sign of exotic accelerates.
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Great. Present this damning, incontrovertible evidence to a Grand Jury and let us know how it works out for you.
 
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MicahJava said:
Most pictures you'll see of molten steel is completely liquid and flowing, but if a giant beam is heated to steel-melting temperatures, it will take some time to become a pool of liquid. Astaneh could also mean that he saw only one part of a piece of steel that melted. At least two witnesses reported seeing that, you know.

"(Lee) Turner himself crawled through an opening and down crumpled stairwells to the subway, five levels below ground. He remembers seeing in the darkness a distant, pinkish glow–molten metal dripping from a beam–but found no signs of life."

https://web.archive.org/web/2014010...news.com/usnews/9_11/articles/911memories.htm

"Underground fires raged for months. Joe "Toolie" O'Toole remembers in February seeing a crane lift a steel beam vertically from deep within the catacombs of Ground Zero. "It was dripping from the molten steel," he said."

Recovery worker reflects on months spent at Ground Zero

What's the point of arguing about that here? Credible witnesses saw it, museums have artifacts from ground zero that have stated to contain previously molten steel and/or concrete, and Steven Jones tested those two chunks of iron. Particles in the WTC dust indicate temperatures even higher than the melting point of steel. Melted steel is a sign of exotic accelerates.
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And you continue to mouth CT garbage lifted from "truther" websites.

If they are beams THEY AREN'T MELTED.

And in a museum? You must be prattling about the improperly marked COMPREHENSION artifact. They one containing not only UNMOLTEN steel but also the remains of paper.... Paper. Think for a minute. Paper is found among your so-called molten steel.
 
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Mark F said:
Great. Present this damning, incontrovertible evidence to a Grand Jury and let us know how it works out for you.
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Those two chunks of iron are pretty interesting. By the way, I'm hoping that further searching for information on molten steel and/or iron can be found. All it shows is that a new investigation is warranted.
 
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