Barr Continues on The Hill, at the Senate

[jnug]

He answered a DIRECT QUESTION, "(You don't believe that there was spying, do you?") DIRECTLY: "YES, I DO BELIEVE THERE WAS SPYING".




He isn't going to "dance around the truth" just s as not to UPSET THE LEFTWHINERS....why would he?

Which he later referred to as possible "unauthorized surveillance" when asked to clarify. Given the opportunity to do so, Barr engages in political hackery at every turn. Actually that is what he did during Iran/Contra as well.

 

[Grokmaster]

Which he later referred to as possible "unauthorized surveillance" when asked to clarify. Given the opportunity to do so, Barr engages in political hackery at every turn. Actually that is what he did during Iran/Contra as well.

Because a Whine-o-crat sniveled that the word "spying" was "mean".

A DISTINCTION W/O A DIFFERENCE.


Barr said what we all know.


Why aren't you INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH?


Why are you SO AFRAID OF LEARNING THE TRUTH ABOUT IT?


(Rhetorical question; I ALREADY KNOW WHY....everyone does...including you. )

 

[Helix]

Let's see the Mueller report.

 

[Hypothetical]

Which he later referred to as possible "unauthorized surveillance" when asked to clarify. Given the opportunity to do so, Barr engages in political hackery at every turn. Actually that is what he did during Iran/Contra as well.

wtf is unauthorized surveillance but spying? surveillance by our intelligence community is SUPPOSED TO BE PROPERLY AUTHORIZED... or are we now living in the new soviet union?

 

[Grokmaster]

Let's see the Mueller report.

You'll just DENY its conclusions...AGAIN...and ty to blame "THE REDACTIONS!!!" "THE REDACTIONS!!!"

 

[Grokmaster]

wtf is unauthorized surveillance but spying? surveillance by our intelligence community is SUPPOSED TO BE PROPERLY AUTHORIZED... or are we now living in the new soviet union?

The left is still IN SHOCK, and now it's soaking in that not only did the Russia/Obstruction LIES blow up in their faces, but that the ENTIRE OBAMA SWAMP CABAL is going to be investigated, and they know, deep down inside, that that is THEIR DEATH KNELL....


They are just huddling , trying to "prop each other up" , with their continued desperate denials, etc.

 

[jnug]

Because a Whine-o-crat sniveled that the word "spying" was "mean".

A DISTINCTION W/O A DIFFERENCE.


Barr said what we all know.


Why aren't you INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH?


Why are you SO AFRAID OF LEARNING THE TRUTH ABOUT IT?


(Rhetorical question; I ALREADY KNOW WHY....everyone does...including you. )

Actually there is a difference. But since English Language and Grammar and most specifically defined terms seem to be a mystery to the RW, I am not surprised.

Barr is using the Trumpian language of victimization narrative because it suits his goal of political hackery to do so. I commend the panel for questioning in such a way as to give Barr the chance to stick his foot in his mouth and prove again as he does virtually every day that he is just a political hack. I also commend the panel for giving Barr a chance to dig his way out of the trumpian land of political hackery and give us even the ghost of a hope that he is actually the Nation's AG as opposed to the President't boy. He availed himself of that opportunity and rephrased "spying" to possible unauthorized surveillance which is not the same thing. Its not even the same category of things. However he did it so reluctantly that I am not sure he did himself a damned bit of good.

Spying has been whaaaaa-boy DonDon's term from the very beginning. A major part of one of his zillion victimization narratives. Whaaaaaaa...they were spying on me.....whaaaaaaaaa. What a cry baby. I swear to God DonDon must dream victimization narratives because he spews them constantly.

 

[Grokmaster]

Actually there is a difference. But since English Language and Grammar and most specifically defined terms seem to be a mystery to the RW, I am not surprised.

Barr is using the Trumpian language of victimization narrative because it suits his goal of political hackery to do so. I commend the panel for questioning in such a way as to give Barr the chance to stick his foot in his mouth and prove again as he does virtually every day that he is just a political hack. I also commend the panel for giving Barr a chance to dig his way out of the trumpian land of political hackery and give us even the ghost of a hope that he is actually the Nation's AG as opposed to the President't boy. He availed himself of that opportunity and rephrased "spying" to possible unauthorized surveillance which is not the same thing. Its not even the same category of things. However he did it so reluctantly that I am not sure he did himself a damned bit of good.

Spying has been whaaaaa-boy DonDon's term from the very beginning. A major part of one of his zillion victimization narratives. Whaaaaaaa...they were spying on me.....whaaaaaaaaa. What a cry baby. I swear to God DonDon must dream victimization narratives because he spews them constantly.

Actually, no there isn't a difference , and your unsubstantiated pretense otherwise changes nothing.


Trump has every right to be OUTRAGED at what has transpired....but we'll see who winds up on the sort end of the stick won't we.

 

[jnug]

wtf is unauthorized surveillance but spying? surveillance by our intelligence community is SUPPOSED TO BE PROPERLY AUTHORIZED... or are we now living in the new soviet union?

There are two words in the term "unauthorized surveillance". I will assume that I do not have to provide a dictionary definition of unauthorized. However this place never ceases to surprise me.

Surveillance defined in Marriam-Webster:
close watch kept over someone or something.

Spying is not even shown as a synonym for surveillance.

It would follow then that unauthorizes surveillance is unauthorized close watch kept over someone or something.

Before we get into a STUPID discussion of synonyms.... They are not words that mean the same thing. They imply similar things within differing contexts. Just want to cover that before the forum goes off with another idiotic 10,000 DP keystrokes.

Spying defined in Marriam-Webster:
to watch secretly usually for hostile purposes.

Just as spying is not shown as a synomym for surveillance. Surveillance is not shown as a synonym for spying.

That even given the fact that synomyms are not words with the same meaning.

While I do not agree with his politics I expect Barr knows the difference which leads me to the logical conclusion that he is engaging in POLITICAL HACKERY.

 

[jnug]

Actually, no there isn't a difference , and your unsubstantiated pretense otherwise changes nothing.


Trump has every right to be OUTRAGED at what has transpired....but we'll see who winds up on the sort end of the stick won't we.

See post #34.

 

[Hypothetical]

There are two words in the term "unauthorized surveillance". I will assume that I do not have to provide a dictionary definition of unauthorized. However this place never ceases to surprise me.

Surveillance defined in Marriam-Webster:
close watch kept over someone or something.

Spying is not even shown as a synonym for surveillance.

It would follow then that unauthorizes surveillance is unauthorized close watch kept over someone or something.

Before we get into a STUPID discussion of synonyms.... They are not words that mean the same thing. They imply similar things within differing contexts. Just want to cover that before the forum goes off with another idiotic 10,000 DP keystrokes.

Spying defined in Marriam-Webster:
to watch secretly usually for hostile purposes.

Just as spying is not shown as a synomym for surveillance. Surveillance is not shown as a synonym for spying.

That even given the fact that synomyms are not words with the same meaning.

O-K well that's the worst deflection I have seen in a while but let me tell you that even giving you the benefit of the doubt, there is one similarity between them and that is the fact that both "unauthorized surveillance" and spying are very likely CRIMINAL acts in our Democratic Republic, so the point remains the same.

 

[Grokmaster]

See post #34.

Once again...your OWN UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS.


Simple SURVEILLANCE =/= SURREPTICIOIUS SURVEILLANCE, is it?



One is WATCHING WITH NO ATTEMPT TO HIDE IT...the other is WATCHING/LISTENING/RECORDING, with EVERY ATTEMPT TO CONCEAL IT.


AKA: "SPYING".


Surveillance is DONE OPENLY.


COVERT SURVEILLANCE is SPYING.

 

[jnug]

O-K well that's the worst deflection I have seen in a while but let me tell you that even giving you the benefit of the doubt, there is one similarity between them and that is the fact that both "unauthorized surveillance" and spying are very likely CRIMINAL acts in our Democratic Republic, so the POINT remains the same.

No its not a deflection. People need to stop using words as if they are TOILET PAPER. Spying is not the same thing as unauthorized surveillance. PERIOD. Fat Donald uses words like toilet paper and his drooling base laps it up as if it meant something.

Spying is almost categorically illegal. The CIA cannot spy on US soil for example...not on US citizens or anybody else for that matter. Foreign Intelligence Officers spying or conducting espionage operations on US soil are also categorically conducting criminal activities as are the Agents (spies) of Foreign Intelligence Officers. As for unauthorized surveillance the penalty for that can range anywhere from censure to dismissal to indictment to prosecution.

 

[jnug]

Once again...your OWN UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS.


Simple SURVEILLANCE =/= SURREPTICIOIUS SURVEILLANCE, is it?



One is WATCHING WITH NO ATTEMPT TO HIDE IT...the other is WATCHING/LISTENING/RECORDING, with EVERY ATTEMPT TO CONCEAL IT.


AKA: "SPYING".


Surveillance is DONE OPENLY.


COVERT SURVEILLANCE is SPYING.

Hey I can only use the words Bill Barr used. He used "spying" and "unauthorized surveillance". You can play word salad and deflect all you want to. That is what the man said.

As for text in bold. I think your head is starting to come off your shoulders. You want to try to defend that? None of it suggests a working understanding of the English language. Its gibberish. You've been relegated to speaking in tongues.

 

[Hypothetical]

No its not a deflection. People need to stop using words as if they are TOILET PAPER. Spying is not the same thing as unauthorized surveillance. PERIOD. Fat Donald uses words like toilet paper and his drooling base laps it up as if it meant something.

Spying is almost categorically illegal. The CIA cannot spy on US soil for example...not on US citizens or anybody else for that matter. Foreign Intelligence Officers spying or conducting espionage operations on US soil are also categorically conducting criminal activities as are the Agents (spies) of Foreign Intelligence Officers. As for unauthorized surveillance the penalty for that can range anywhere from censure to dismissal to indictment to prosecution.

I understand the CIA rules on spying and such... what matters is the point, not the word in this case: "unauthorized surveillance" of a political campaign for political purposes by government assets is a pretty damn serious crime.

ok so MAYBE they can't be executed for treason, but everything else would be on the table if that were proven.

 

[Helix]

You'll just DENY its conclusions...AGAIN...and ty to blame "THE REDACTIONS!!!" "THE REDACTIONS!!!"



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thanks for sharing your opinion. peace.

 

[Hicup]

Once again...your OWN UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS.


Simple SURVEILLANCE =/= SURREPTICIOIUS SURVEILLANCE, is it?



One is WATCHING WITH NO ATTEMPT TO HIDE IT...the other is WATCHING/LISTENING/RECORDING, with EVERY ATTEMPT TO CONCEAL IT.


AKA: "SPYING".


Surveillance is DONE OPENLY.


COVERT SURVEILLANCE is SPYING.

LOL, and Peeping Tom's are really just unauthorized perverts..

Tim-

 

[Grokmaster]

LOL, and Peeping Tom's are really just unauthorized perverts..

Tim-

 

[Grokmaster]

Hey I can only use the words Bill Barr used. He used "spying" and "unauthorized surveillance". You can play word salad and deflect all you want to. That is what the man said.

As for text in bold. I think your head is starting to come off your shoulders. You want to try to defend that? None of it suggests a working understanding of the English language. Its gibberish. You've been relegated to speaking in tongues.

He did not soften it...he was asked to "restate what he meant" by a senator who thought it may lessen the blow to the Obama Adminstration. Calling something unauthorized surveillance is the same as calling it spying.


Feel free to keep making up whatever bull**** you need to believe.

 

[Rogue Valley]

"Do you believe there was spying on the Trump campaign?"

"YES. What I want to find out is whether or not it was properly predicated."

William Barr's own words.....

“I’m not suggesting that those rules were violated, but I think it’s important to look at that. I’m not talking about the FBI necessarily, but intelligence agencies more broadly,” he said.

“I’m not saying if improper surveillance occurred,” he added later when asked to clarify — saying only that he was “concerned about it” and looking into the situation.

Barr offered no evidence, nor claimed he had procured any evidence for his "spying" assertion. He also said that the loaded term "spying" wholly depends upon where one is sitting.

Barr also added that he didn't know "whether Bob Mueller supported my conclusion" on obstruction. In other words, that summary conclusion is Barr's alone.

 

[Grokmaster]

William Barr's own words.....





Barr offered no evidence, nor claimed he had procured any evidence for his "spying" assertion. He also said that the loaded term "spying" wholly depends upon where one is sitting.

Barr also added that he didn't know "whether Bob Mueller supported my conclusion" on obstruction. In other words, that summary conclusion is Barr's alone.

What a desperate denial of what Barr said today. He BACKED OFF OF NOTHING.


He did not soften it...he was asked to "restate what he meant" by a senator who thought it may lessen the blow to the Obama Adminstration. Calling something unauthorized surveillance is the same as calling it spying.







'Spying on a political campaign is a big deal': Attorney General Barr says Justice Department will look at origins of Russia probe



•Attorney General William Barr on Wednesday confirms that his Justice Department will be reviewing the origins and the methods of investigations into then-candidate Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.
•"I think spying on a political campaign is a big deal," Barr says in testimony during a Senate Appropriations subcommittee's hearing on the Trump administration's fiscal 2020 budget proposal.
•"I think spying did occur," Barr says



Barr, who was tapped by Trump to head the Department of Justice in December, has put together a team to review earlier counterintelligence decisions made by the Justice Department and the FBI, including a look into the origins of the FBI investigation into the Trump campaign’s ties with Russia, according to separate reports from Bloomberg and Fox News on Tuesday. Both news outlets cited unnamed sources who were familiar with the situation.



AG Barr says Justice Department will look at origins of Russia probe


They are COMING HOME to ROOST!!!

 

[Lutherf]

William Barr's own words.....





Barr offered no evidence, nor claimed he had procured any evidence for his "spying" assertion. He also said that the loaded term "spying" wholly depends upon where one is sitting.

Barr also added that he didn't know "whether Bob Mueller supported my conclusion" on obstruction. In other words, that summary conclusion is Barr's alone.

There shoulodn't be any question about whether spying occurred or not. It did and there has been ample disclosure of that spying in the media for the past two years. Whether you call it "spying" or "an intelligence investigation" is immaterial.

 

[lwf]

There shoulodn't be any question about whether spying occurred or not. It did and there has been ample disclosure of that spying in the media for the past two years. Whether you call it "spying" or "an intelligence investigation" is immaterial.

Domestic intelligence agencies investigating American citizens for crimes committed inside the U.S. is not spying.

 

[Rogue Valley]

There shoulodn't be any question about whether spying occurred or not. It did and there has been ample disclosure of that spying in the media for the past two years. Whether you call it "spying" or "an intelligence investigation" is immaterial.

Bar said he was "not saying if improper surveillance occurred" and would "have to look into it". His quotes. You seem to know more than the Attorney General.

You're amazing.

 

[joko104]

There shoulodn't be any question about whether spying occurred or not. It did and there has been ample disclosure of that spying in the media for the past two years. Whether you call it "spying" or "an intelligence investigation" is immaterial.

The only question is:
1. Was it criminal/illegal?
2. Can it be proven - compounded by how Comey was handing out immunity like free candy?

There is no question it happened.