I agree, it does not change what you said being wrong.Nonetheless, this doesn't change anything I've said concerning how Freddie Gray may have sustained his neck injury nor who I believe is responsible for his injury and subsequent death.
Flimsy? iLOL :dohAnd yet you continue to use his flimsy testimony as clear evidence as to what happened on Freddie Gray's side of the police van when all Donte Allen heard was "4-seconds" of "a little banging" coming from Freddie Gray's side.
You are being untruthful.You're really stretching things here in an attempt to force your interpretation of what happened inside the rear-right detainee section of the police van to fit what actually happened when in truth no one knows for sure what happened.
This is you ignoring the evidence, as well as the fact that the witnesses current statements lack credibility in light of the reason he is making them.But I enjoyed reading this:
And then more recently this...
Two separate timelines along with Donte Allen's own statement indicate that the so-called "thrashing" did not occur during the time Donte Allen was a detainee. He only heard 4-seconds of "little banging" and then silence which falls right in line with the estimated time Freddie Gray sustained his neck injury which according to both timelines was 15 minutes after he was arrested, but 5-minutes before Donte Allen became detainee #2.
Holy ****! :dohAnother minor issue, but it warrants pointing out your hypocrisy here. You asked me to prove that Freddie Gray's neck injury wasn't self-inflected then turn around and insist that another poster "stop the proof argument". Kinda one-sided don't you think?...demanding proof on the one hand but insisting that posters stop asking you to do the same when your arguments don't pan out. It's quite laughable really. In any case, while I can't prove that Freddie Gray's neck injury was not self-inflicted, the autopsy report makes it clear that it is highly unlikely that he inflicted such a severe injury unto himself.
So, if at some time after 8:59 a.m. when the on-scene police officers checked on Freddie Gray a third time and found their suspect/detainee to be "unresponsive", don't you think that would have been the perfect time to request paramedics be dispatched to the scene especially when someone in their custody is no longer breathing? You see, it doesn't matter whether you or anyone else believed he was faking his injuries earlier. What matters is how and if law enforcement responded to his medical needs when it became apparent the he needed medical attention. The fact that "Officer Goodson asked for an additional unit to check on Gray" is a strong indication that they knew something was wrong with their suspect.
You keep ignoring that self inflicted is the evidence.The above all relates to Donte Allen's statement of events which as I said (and it would appear we both agree) don't require re-hashing. But making claims that Gray's injury was self-inflicted without taking the events of all that occurred into account subsequent to his arrest, being shackled and placed head-first in the back of the van really does make such claims sound ridiculous.
The above all relates to Donte Allen's statement of events which as I said (and it would appear we both agree) don't require re-hashing. But making claims that Gray's injury was self-inflicted without taking the events of all that occurred into account subsequent to his arrest, being shackled and placed head-first in the back of the van really does make such claims sound ridiculous.
And again. Thrashing and banging his head during a smooth ride speaks to his injuries being from his own actions and thus self inflicted.You can argue that he somehow managed to turn himself around while laying on his stomach with his hands cuffed behind his back at the wrist and his ankles in shackles after having been placed on the floor of the van, but when taking his restraints, his physical position in such a confined space into account AND the fact that he was originally placed in the back of the van head-first, the only part that makes sense as to how Freddie Gray could have possibly gotten himself into position where his head is at the back of the van was when he was helped on the bench by Officer Porter but still not secured in a seatbelt. This quite possibly is when Freddie Gray falls to the floor, slams his head on the bolt and breaks his neck.
Frankly speaking, if I was riding in the back of a van with my hands cuffed behind my back, I would not want to be buckled in. If there is an emergency, I would be unable to unbuckle myself
Imagine the horror we all faced...and the cop that shot him...when the man that was behind on child support ran from being arrested and was shot fleeing?
Yeah, let's see how the grand jury handles this. "High crime area", "eye contact," and no current warrants?
"No probable cause."
He posed no visible (and I dont think he had any violent arrests either, maybe assault?) threat to the public. Good luck with 'reasonable suspicion.'
If the emergency happened to be a fire, I wouldn't need to break any fall. I would need to unbuckle my seat beltIf there was an emergency, and you had no way of breaking your fall because your hands were tied behind your back, it's likely already too late for you.
1. High crime area, and eye contact are the SCOTUS benchmarks...I know you hate that, but that is what the law is.
2. You have no idea what warrants were out on him, or not. Hell, you have shown you don't even know which black criminal you are discussing.
You've already been proven wrong on that...Your disagreement is with the Supreme Court...
I believe that selling drugs IS a violence against the community, Here is Freddie's rap sheet....AGAIN...
March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)
So, as we see here not only was Freddie Gray a Drug dealer, liar, and a thief, but YOU Lursa are wrong on nearly every word you're typing in here...Now, it has become so easy to bat down your own falsehoods in here, you're begining to bore me....Come on...Get with the program here, I mean, it's not like your claims are not able to be verified or anything....
The left sure does pick odd heroes
Slipping and falling while banging your head still is the result of your own actions.
8:46:12 a.m. — The van makes its first stop. Rice, Nero and Miller remove Gray from the wagon, put flexcuffs on his wrists and shackles on his ankles and complete paperwork. They then put Gray on his stomach, head-first on the van floor.
8:59 a.m. — Van makes third stop. Goodson asks for an additional unit to check on Gray. Officer William Porter and Goodson check on Gray. Gray asks for help, says he can't breathe and asks twice for a medic. Porter helps Gray onto the bench.
OMG! Nobody got shot here....You don't even know which case you are arguing against cops for do you? You've just shown that it doesn't matter to you, that you are against police regardless of the situation....Nice going.
1. High crime area, and eye contact are the SCOTUS benchmarks...I know you hate that, but that is what the law is.
2. You have no idea what warrants were out on him, or not. Hell, you have shown you don't even know which black criminal you are discussing.
You've already been proven wrong on that...Your disagreement is with the Supreme Court...
I believe that selling drugs IS a violence against the community, Here is Freddie's rap sheet....AGAIN...
March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)
So, as we see here not only was Freddie Gray a Drug dealer, liar, and a thief, but YOU Lursa are wrong on nearly every word you're typing in here...Now, it has become so easy to bat down your own falsehoods in here, you're begining to bore me....Come on...Get with the program here, I mean, it's not like your claims are not able to be verified or anything....
The left sure does pick odd heroes
If the emergency happened to be a fire, I wouldn't need to break any fall. I would need to unbuckle my seat belt
I believe that selling drugs IS a violence against the community, Here is Freddie's rap sheet....AGAIN...
March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)
Clearly, Freddie Gray wasn't a Boy Scout nor a Good Samaritan. But he didn't deserve to die over an odd look shared between himself and police officers or possession of a knife which no one has alleged was used in a crime.
Nobody's defending Gray's rights. He has no rights. He's being held up as a hero by Leftists all the way up to the White House. Strange hero indeedAnd it's sad that some minds are so rigidly locked that they cant conceive that defending people's rights and the Constitution applies to everyone, even street skells. That they cant comprehend people defending actual principles over personal bias.
No one sees this guy as a hero.
Doesn't matter. If you're trapped by a fire your first goal is to escape, not determine the cause... and what caused the fire? An accident?
Perhaps he should have sat down in the back of the van, like the other arrestee, and let the system run it's course. He obviously knew how the system workedClearly, Freddie Gray wasn't a Boy Scout nor a Good Samaritan. But he didn't deserve to die over an odd look shared between himself and police officers or possession of a knife which no one has alleged was used in a crime.
Nobody's defending Gray's rights. He has no rights.
Doesn't matter. If you're trapped by a fire your first goal is to escape, not determine the cause.
And nobody was protesting for him then. But now, he's a hometown hero in BaltimoreHe had the same rights as you before he died. :doh
In that case, the fact his is handcuffed is secondary to the fact that he's locked inside of a box, don't you agree?
.. and what caused the fire? An accident?
The other prisoner in the Van said it was a smooth ride all the way to the Police station and if there was any real evidence that he was pushed or thrown into the back of the Van then there would have been more than a Murder 2
The Murder 2 charge won't stick and I doubt any of the other charges will stick.
Face it, Democrats and those inner city area residents over reacted after jumping to conclusions because this false narrative of disproportionate Police brutality has been pushed down our throats.
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