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I gotcha. However, it is a lawyer's job to disprove the testimony. So far, it hasn't been disproved. Until then, we have nothing left to go on.It can put people away, but in a case where there is such a fevered level of emotion driving it, I doubt embellishing or lying is too far fetched to believe.
In the law, testimony is a form of evidence that is obtained from a witness who makes a solemn statement or declaration of factNo, it is not considered fact.
can you please somehow bring Ronald McDonald into you thread, too?
I gotcha. However, it is a lawyer's job to disprove the testimony. So far, it hasn't been disproved. Until then, we have nothing left to go on.
You know something, I'm going to have to bow out of this debate. I seriously can't stomach it. Sorry man.Well I don't intend to read the story because I don't like that whole "lets gross everyone out to get our way" thingy which anti-abortion nuts often tend to do... as I witnessed in Phoenix when a box truck would drive around in rush hour traffic with bloody body parts of an abortion pictured all over the sides and back with anti-abortion slogans all over it.
Plus I just don't even like watching vids of skateboarders breaking legs or that college basketball player that broke his bone or Joe Theisman or any of that stuff. Just don't like it. Not a Roman blood sport kind of guy.
That being said, I don't know the size of the baby that is being talked about but the opening of the toilet drain will be 3" diameter. A woman's cervix BEFORE a baby passes through is 10cm or around 4". That's before the baby passes. So flushing a baby that is most likely going to be well over 4" down a 3" pipe...
If the baby was smaller than that, it'd have to be much smaller and much more premature and I already doubt the muscle structure of a standard new born to try and swim much less the even more underdeveloped muscle structure of a preamy doing so.
Flailing is not swimming. Also you are not going to get very far with flushing a premie without somehow mushing it first.Can you cite the study that shows where scientists have submerged babys in water to see if they attempt to flail their arms? You know, kind of like in the liquid environment they just left in their mothers stomach? Also, haven't you ever seen a preemie? You could definitely get a very small baby to at least get down the toilet.
If you don't mind, I'd like to stop debating the last issue. Not really something I care to rehash over and over. I'll debate the rest with you all day long. Just not that.
You know something, I'm going to have to bow out of this debate. I seriously can't stomach it. Sorry man.
In the law, testimony is a form of evidence that is obtained from a witness who makes a solemn statement or declaration of fact
Testimony - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Flailing is not swimming. Also you are not going to get very far with flushing a premie without somehow mushing it first.
"The evidence is certainly compelling," said The Philadelphia Inquirer's Joseph Slobodzian. Slobodzian has been in the courtroom every day of the trial.
"There are any number of witnesses, most of them former employees of Dr. Gosnell's clinic, who say they saw late-term abortions being done, they saw fetuses, babies, that were moving, breathing after the procedure, and those babies were killed," said Slobodzian.
This story -- which if nothing else suggests that live births do, in fact, happen during late-term abortions -- upsets a particular narrative about the reality of certain types of abortion, and that reality isn’t something some pro-choice absolutists want to discuss.
This has disturbing implications for late-term abortions. It suggests that sometimes those fetuses are delivered alive. Worse, it hints at what we might be doing inside the womb to ensure that the other ones aren't.
This thread is just one more bit of proof that the moral fascists who want to ban abortion don't care about babies. All they care about is partisan attacks
Flailing is not swimming. Also you are not going to get very far with flushing a premie without somehow mushing it first.
-- Disposing of it in a toilet is a bit curious and hard to fathom though.
Wow, that's some really horrid stuff
Both sides should be absolutely disgusted about what this man did and the complete lack of oversight (apparently, before all this went down, the last state inspection was in 1993!?)
Well, it's not exactly a study we can do is it? What normal person wants to do a study on if a baby can swim right after birth? THE BABY SHOULDN'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT DOING THAT.
Testimony under oath is considered fact until proven otherwise. It is testimony that puts many criminals away is it not?
Simply horrific.
I don't usually support the death penalty, but Gosnel absolutely deserves it and should be executed according to how unborn children are slaughtered.
Can you cite the study that shows where scientists have submerged babys in water to see if they attempt to flail their arms? You know, kind of like in the liquid environment they just left in their mothers stomach? Also, haven't you ever seen a preemie? You could definitely get a very small baby to at least get down the toilet.
If you don't mind, I'd like to stop debating the last issue. Not really something I care to rehash over and over. I'll debate the rest with you all day long. Just not that.
Yes, horrific. As a disclaimer, I oppose the death penalty under all circumstances including this one, but in Gosnell's case, the death penalty is too easy. Lock him away for the rest of his rotten life, hope he lives a very long and healthy life, and surround him with his jars of fetus feet so that he has something to contemplate.
Actually we do know you do have to learn to swim and newborns do not have the muscle development or coordination to swim. We also know that you can plug a toilet with a turd so you would never get a conscious baby to flush into the pipes. It sounds like something a first grader would come up with as a lie.
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