What are you doing, giving us an assignment?
One thread wasn't enough?
Don't ask questions, just do the assignment.What is the point, @sanman?
Are you just nakedly attacking Ukraine, Ukranians, and their resistance to Putin's evil invasion? Or is it supposed to be a side discussion about "white supremacist militia" in Ukraine that just sorta happens to have caught your interest at this moment?
Let's say they have white supremacists and that some have a "militia". And? What's the tie-in to general politics?
Is there a point to posting this, other than confirming my understanding that there are small groups of white supremacist idiots all over the world?.
During World War II, Bandera led the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, whose men killed thousands of Jews and Poles, including women and children, while fighting alongside Nazi Germany against the Red Army and communists.
At the march, many participants waved banners carrying the symbol of the far-right Svoboda party, whose leaders have often made anti-Semitic comments, and banners reading: “Nationalism is our religion. Bandera is our prophet,” Pravda Ukraine reported.
That interview was just a few years before the unfortunate events of 9-11, whereupon Zbig quickly ran to testify in front of Congress, speaking about how it could be a 'false flag' attack.Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
Le Nouvel Observateur, Interview with Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski, Paris, January 15-21, 1998
Still you can't really claim their ideology is anywhere near in power when the President of Ukraine is a Russophone Jew, and their political wing Svoboda has 1 whole seat in the Rada.... Actually wait, while Svoboda is horrible they are not actually connected to the Azov Battallion, that would be the party called National Corps, and how many seats do they have in the Rada? Ah, 0.... And btw, the Azov battallion are against EU and NATO membership.... so hardly much supporters of the current government.
Most Ukrainians did not support the Nazis in WW2, despite how the USSR had treated Ukraine. Most Ukrainians were indeed loyal. Some Russians also backed the Nazis. You are just aping Kreml propaganda by tryong to make Ukraine look like something Nazi, when it's not, and it's about a largely insgnificant group, and such groups can be found in several other nations. If Russia wants to fight Fascism, they have those at home.He's a Russian-speaking Jew whose family fought for the Soviet Army. Remember that many Russians died in Nazi concentration camps, while Americans did not.
Nobody sacrificed more people fighting the Nazis than the Russians did.
As a matter of fact, without their sacrifice, the Nazis would have never been defeated.
The Ukrainian nationalists, on the other hand, fought for the Nazis.
Do you understand that Ukraine may become the next Mecca for Nazis? Just like how Islamic radicals from around the world flocked to Afghanistan to fight for jihad and Islam.
What the **** are you going to do then, when this thing mushrooms?
Most Ukrainians did not support the Nazis in WW2, despite how the USSR had treated Ukraine. Most Ukrainians were indeed loyal. Some Russians also backed the Nazis. You are just aping Kreml propaganda by tryong to make Ukraine look like something Nazi, when it's not, and it's about a largely insgnificant group, and such groups can be found in several other nations. If Russia wants to fight Fascism, they have those at home.
Yes, he was, and most Ukrainians don't celebrate him.Stepan Bandera was a Nazi supporter and affiliate, who led a militant organization which committed atrocities. Do you acknowledge that?
And yet Ukrainian nationalists of all stripes celebrate and honor him. Do you acknowledge that as well?
Yes, he was, and most Ukrainians don't celebrate him.
Soviet history does not glorify the Nazis. It actually eulogizes Nazi victims.Another collaborator was Boris Smyslovsly, and another was Andrey Vlasov. There were Russian collaborators too.
And I hope you do realize that Russia also has Neo- Nazi movements, and that they have been actice on the Russian side in Donbas for years.
Has the Russian PM ever gone to a neo Nazi concert to listen to a song called “six million lies”?Yes, he was, and most Ukrainians don't celebrate him.
Another collaborator was Boris Smyslovsly, and another was Andrey Vlasov. There were Russian collaborators too.
And I hope you do realize that Russia also has Neo- Nazi movements, and that they have been actice on the Russian side in Donbas for years.
The ones in Mariupol aren’t moving that much
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The standard of the left was that one flag at the Truckers protest meant that all truckers are Nazis.Looks like the Russian disinformation campaign is running full tilt today... again.
Just saying there are a few assholes in Ukraine is no reason to not help the enormous volumes of others in Ukraine that are not as that Time piece suggests.
On that standard, no one should help the US ever.
If he's not important to Ukrainians, then why did Viktor Yuschenko pass a decree making Stepan Bandera a national hero?
Was this not a political move to tap a fan base and win him more popularity? Or was he just randomly name-dropping?
Soviet history does not glorify the Nazis. It actually eulogizes Nazi victims.
People from the Far Right are not flocking from the around the world to go to Russia, just as jihadists from around the world are not flocking to go to Russia.
People from the Far Right are now flocking to Ukraine. Because the Far Right sees glory in killing Russians, just like the jihadists did.
But as they achieve success, the Far Right will later expand their gaze elsewhere, just like the jihadists did.
This is inevitable.
Zelensky should condemn the Far Right, and declare that they have no place in Ukrainian society. He should refuse to help them or take help from them in this war.
The Russian Army has now captured the Azov base in Donskoe:
Those guys are really heavy into the symbology, I've noticed. They're really building a mystique around it. Gonna need a new Indiana Jones movie, if this keeps up.
Former Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko’s decision to confer the title of Hero of Ukraine on nationalist leader Stepan Bandera on Jan. 22 has unleashed a storm of outrage inside and outside Ukraine. Critics accuse Yushchenko of whitewashing a Nazi-era fascist and betraying the ideals of the Orange Revolution that brought him to power.
Yuschenko the Nazi-lover
Stepan Bandera: Hero of Ukraine?
Former Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko’s decision to confer the title of Hero of Ukraine on nationalist leader Stepan Bandera on Jan. 22 haswww.atlanticcouncil.org
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