Azov Movement

[Slartibartfast]

If white supremacy is a reason to invade a country, then do you support invasion of Russia?

MMP: Russian Imperial Movement

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[maxparrish]

Still you can't really claim their ideology is anywhere near in power when the President of Ukraine is a Russophone Jew, and their political wing Svoboda has 1 whole seat in the Rada.... Actually wait, while Svoboda is horrible they are not actually connected to the Azov Battallion, that would be the party called National Corps, and how many seats do they have in the Rada? Ah, 0.... And btw, the Azov battallion are against EU and NATO membership.... so hardly much supporters of the current government.

Sanman is a part of the Russian mud gunning machine - find something small and offensive make it into a "cause" for annihilating a country. The Azov battalion is but 3000 people in a nation of 40 million. So hey, let's destroy Ukraine cause that will serve as Russia's excuse.

Folks like Sanman have so little to justify this massive destruction and killing, they simply repeat the meme over and over, using them as their all purpose hobgoblin to frighten the gullible. It's just another version of "look at that Nazi squirrel".

 

[PeteEU]

Sanman is a part of the Russian mud gunning machine - find something small and offensive make it into a "cause" for annihilating a country. The Azov battalion is but 3000 people in a nation of 40 million. So hey, let's destroy Ukraine cause that will serve as Russia's excuse.

Folks like Sanman have so little to justify this massive destruction and killing, they simply repeat the meme over and over, using them as their all purpose hobgoblin to frighten the gullible. It's just another version of "look at that Nazi squirrel".

They might be only 3000 people, but they have been around for a while and their leaders and members have had and have senior positions in local, regional and national government and in the military. And that is the problem.

Does it justify a full blown invasion...of course not,bit it should have meant that the west should have demanded a purge of these Nazi scum long ago.....which they have not.

Instead the west have been backing people who have been actively trying to purge Russian Ukrainians and the Russian language from Ukraine...which frankly goes against basic principles in the west...

 

[Felis Leo]

They might be only 3000 people, but they have been around for a while and their leaders and members have had and have senior positions in local, regional and national government and in the military. And that is the problem.

Does it justify a full blown invasion...of course not,bit it should have meant that the west should have demanded a purge of these Nazi scum long ago.....which they have not.

Instead the west have been backing people who have been actively trying to purge Russian Ukrainians and the Russian language from Ukraine...which frankly goes against basic principles in the west...

The problem with that logic PeteEU is that in a democracy everyone gets a vote, including wicked people who get to vote for people like themselves.

Ukrainian liberal democrats vote for liberal democratic politicians. Ukrainian Nazis get to vote for unrepentant National Socialist politicians. Russian-speaking Ukrainians get to vote for Russian Fifth-Columnist politicians.

 

[joluoto]

They might be only 3000 people, but they have been around for a while and their leaders and members have had and have senior positions in local, regional and national government and in the military. And that is the problem.

Does it justify a full blown invasion...of course not,bit it should have meant that the west should have demanded a purge of these Nazi scum long ago.....which they have not.

Instead the west have been backing people who have been actively trying to purge Russian Ukrainians and the Russian language from Ukraine...which frankly goes against basic principles in the west...

The Azov movement's party failed to get a single seat in the Rada.

 

[PeteEU]

The problem with that logic PeteEU is that in a democracy everyone gets a vote, including wicked people who get to vote for people like themselves.

Ukrainian liberal democrats vote for liberal democratic politicians. Ukrainian Nazis get to vote for unrepentant National Socialist politicians. Russian-speaking Ukrainians get to vote for Russian Fifth-Columnist politicians.

Again has nothing to do with voting. You don't vote to add the Neo Nazi milita group to the Ukrainian army. You don't vote to allow far right groups to beat up people and get away with it.

 

[PeteEU]

The Azov movement's party failed to get a single seat in the Rada.

And so freaking what? Thier former commander still became Chief of Police for a decade in Kiev and there are still ministers that are sympathetic with the Azov people.

 

[ClaraD]

according to your argument then Russia would be validated in invading Germany and Italy considering they were fascist governments in WWII

 

[Fledermaus]

And so freaking what? Thier former commander still became Chief of Police for a decade in Kiev and there are still ministers that are sympathetic with the Azov people.

Yes. And so what?

 

[PeteEU]

Yes. And so what?

Yea so you have no problem with Nazi scum gaining power eh?