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(Axios) Abbott orders National Guard deployment to protests

Absolutely.

Did you see Trump threatened - "will be met with heavy force" - if anyone protests his Birthday Parade?

I'm not happy the org organizing the Saturday protests is not protesting in D.C., saying they want to "provide contrast".

Lawful protest is the hinge-pin of American Democracy. They should have called Trump's hand on this, bringing it home to him and laying it at his feat.

I don't see any way Trump could win the politics of busting peaceful protestors in the Nation's Capital.

In fact, I might start a poll on this - as much as I hate starting polls.

If anyone else made such a threat they would legitimately face legal action against them. He threatened to harm people for exercising their constitutional right.
 
No one is talking about "sending the military in against the citizenry". It is to protect the citizens and property if needed. Again, hopefully it will be a exercise, units will practice mobilizing and review procedures at their armories, then go home on Sunday.

Of course, the police are the first line of defense. But as we've seen in LA and elsewhere, they can get overwhelmed by mobs.

It isn’t to protect the citizens, it is to protect ICE agents and federal buildings. And it is to intimidate anyone considering protesting the actions of ICE agents. They were sent as extra “muscle” for ICE.
 
It isn’t to protect the citizens, it is to protect ICE agents and federal buildings. And it is to intimidate anyone considering protesting the actions of ICE agents. They were sent as extra “muscle” for ICE.
Same thing.
 
It isn’t to protect the citizens, it is to protect ICE agents and federal buildings. And it is to intimidate anyone considering protesting the actions of ICE agents. They were sent as extra “muscle” for ICE.
Along with noem's security's manhandling the US Senator from California, it's part and parcel of the trump Administration's sending the message that it will not brook opposition. Or inconvenient questions.
 
The No Kings protests on Saturday are planning all over US.
The same type of protests happened in April. There were no riots.
Why do MAGA assume because people want to protest their precious idol that riots are going to break out?
Yes….they are planned. I will ask you yet again. How do you know there are no violent protests planned? You made the claim. ;)
 
There's been no actions of the sort.

There's been three arrests, total.
Hold on….what do you mean there have been “three arrests total”? Please offer specifics.
 
Exactly how do YOU know there IS rioting planned?
I don’t know that there IS. But then again I didn’t make a claim either way. The post I was responding to insisted there are NO riots planned. I asked specifically how he knows that to be factual.
 
Amazing how you dismiss the Chief's actual words, replacing them with yours.

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Thanks for letting me know about the link. I guess it's a little late now!
“For people worried about the violence. The violence I’ve seen is disgusting; it has escalated now since the beginning of this incident. What we saw the first night was bad, but what we're seeing on subsequent nights have been increasingly worse and more violent”
Words spoken by the chief fairly early on in the riots. Here is the article:
 
It isn’t to protect the citizens, it is to protect ICE agents and federal buildings.
Even that ultimately is protecting the citizens. They should protect government buildings. That relieves police to focus on direct policing.

And it is to intimidate anyone considering protesting the actions of ICE agents. They were sent as extra “muscle” for ICE.
There's no evidence of this silly assertion. There's a difference between peaceful protest and mobs destroying property.
 
Even that ultimately is protecting the citizens. They should protect government buildings. That relieves police to focus on direct policing.


There's no evidence of this silly assertion. There's a difference between peaceful protest and mobs destroying property.
Trump has over-reacted, to put it very generously.

Unfortunately for all of us, his display of control and punishment is what MAGA wants.
 
Trump has over-reacted, to put it very generously.

Unfortunately for all of us, his display of control and punishment is what MAGA wants.
Over reacted? By sending help for overwhelmed law enforcement?
 
Yes….they are planned. I will ask you yet again. How do you know there are no violent protests planned? You made the claim. ;)

How does anyone know that someone might get violent at any time? This is no excuse for trying to intimidate people who are gathering legally to protest. Police can’t stop someone from expressing themselves in public by pretending they can predict future violent behavior. We aren’t a police state where a large police and national guard presence must be stationed at all gatherings because there might be violence. All gatherings have the amount of police presence deemed necessary at the time. Unfortunately in this country it might be as likely a sports championship celebration as it is a protest against government actions that has incidents of violent behavior. None of this means the violence is something planned.
 
Over reacted? By sending help for overwhelmed law enforcement?

They weren’t overwhelmed. The LAPD were trying to control the protesters. ICE was not alone.
Even that ultimately is protecting the citizens. They should protect government buildings. That relieves police to focus on direct policing.


There's no evidence of this silly assertion. There's a difference between peaceful protest and mobs destroying property.

There are not mobs destroying property. There are some individuals doing it. There are also many protesting peacefully. There is not just one description that fully describes what is actually happening. Both things are happening at the same time. And the LAPD are encountering some resistance as they try to force everyone to disperse so they could be contributing to violence as they use non lethal tools that may aggravate some people.

The protections that the national guard and military were providing was for federal buildings and ICE agents. They were brought in to add muscle and intimidate those who were protesting against the actions of ICE. They were not tasked at all with protecting any citizens. Neither were the LAPD. They were trying to control a crowd that had been told to disperse. No one is trying to protect citizens in this whole thing.
 
How does anyone know that someone might get violent at any time? This is no excuse for trying to intimidate people who are gathering legally to protest. Police can’t stop someone from expressing themselves in public by pretending they can predict future violent behavior. We aren’t a police state where a large police and national guard presence must be stationed at all gatherings because there might be violence. All gatherings have the amount of police presence deemed necessary at the time. Unfortunately in this country it might be as likely a sports championship celebration as it is a protest against government actions that has incidents of violent behavior. None of this means the violence is something planned.
If they are legally protesting then no worries. Now if their “peaceful” protests include rock throwing, setting things on fire and blocking highways then they deserve to be arrested. Violence by protesters cannot be allowed. We do not need another summer of love.
 
Its not. Its the large contingency of people who agree with anything Trump and his cohorts (like Abbott and DeSantis) do.


He has no reason to mobilize anyone. The No Kings protests are simply a continuation of protests that happened in April. There were no riots then.
Abbott is just trying to be a tough guy like Trump.


Tensions could be lessened if Trump were to go on air and speak to Americans. HE resorts to calling the governor of CA names and tweets. He's not for Americans, but his base.
Ya know what causes tensions to rise? Having a large contingency of unnecessary police or military present.
The protests in April (I saw video of the one in Richmond, VA), where there were some police, but they remained to the side, and just observed. No violence, no riots.
But Trump needs to puff his chest. Look tough.
The inability and the unwillingness to enforce federal law. That is what causes tensions to rise.
 
They weren’t overwhelmed. The LAPD were trying to control the protesters. ICE was not alone.
LAPD Chief said they were overwhelmed. They had people out in riot gear with open conflicts. They fired over 200 'rubber bullets' - including hitting a reporter. Those are clear signs of a department under stress.

There are not mobs destroying property. There are some individuals doing it. There are also many protesting peacefully. There is not just one description that fully describes what is actually happening. Both things are happening at the same time. And the LAPD are encountering some resistance as they try to force everyone to disperse so they could be contributing to violence as they use non lethal tools that may aggravate some people.
It's much like the previous issues. Sure, there were people protesting peacefully during the day. But police weren't firing less lethal weapons at peaceful protesters. (Rubber bullets are not 'non-lethal', but less lethal). Peaceful protesters weren't roaming around setting cars and property on fire, vandalizing, etc.


The protections that the national guard and military were providing was for federal buildings and ICE agents. They were brought in to add muscle and intimidate those who were protesting against the actions of ICE. They were not tasked at all with protecting any citizens. Neither were the LAPD. They were trying to control a crowd that had been told to disperse. No one is trying to protect citizens in this whole thing.
They were brought in to protect people and property. That's their mission - and the mission of the police. There's no evidence of them trying to 'muscle' or intimidate anyone but the mobs.
 
LAPD Chief said they were overwhelmed. They had people out in riot gear with open conflicts. They fired over 200 'rubber bullets' - including hitting a reporter. Those are clear signs of a department under stress.


It's much like the previous issues. Sure, there were people protesting peacefully during the day. But police weren't firing less lethal weapons at peaceful protesters. (Rubber bullets are not 'non-lethal', but less lethal). Peaceful protesters weren't roaming around setting cars and property on fire, vandalizing, etc.



They were brought in to protect people and property. That's their mission - and the mission of the police. There's no evidence of them trying to 'muscle' or intimidate anyone but the mobs.

The LAPD were not overwhelmed and did not ask for help from the National Guard.

They were brought in to protect ICE agents and federal property. They were not brought in to protect any other people on the streets or their property. They were brought in as extra muscle to back up the LA police and to intimidate any protesters from gettimg out of hand.
 
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