Australia To Become Forward Deployed Submarine Base of US & Allies Against China

[Tangmo]

The Quad referenced immediately above are four nations: Japan, India, Australia, USA. The Quad does joint interoperability military operations together. Then there's the Cobra Gold exercises which is annual and cosponsored by the USA and Thailand in Thailand. This year was the 47th iteration of Cobra Gold in Thailand with 7 full participants, Kingdom of Thailand, United States, Indonesia, Singapore, Japan, Malaysia and the Republic of Korea (SK).

US forces, allies, trained in the jungle and assaulted beaches in Thailand in a massive exercise​

Thousands of troops, plenty of live fire training and two weeks in Thailand.

Cobra Gold 2023 started Feb. 27 and wrapped March 10.

Cobra Gold 23 was filled with joint operations, covering land, air and sea. Members of the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division did a joint assault drop onto a field with Thai troops. Marines from the 13th Marine Expeditionary Unit led an amphibious landing onto Hat Yao beach along the Thai coast. And pilots flew F-16s and F-35s above the country. Alongside M198 howitzers, there were also M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, or HIMARS, which have proven to be devastatingly effective in conventional warfare in Ukraine against Russian forces.

US forces, allies, trained in the jungle and assaulted beaches in Thailand in a massive exercise

Thousands of troops took to Thailand for Cobra Gold 23, a massive joint operation combined jungle survival with live fire drills.

taskandpurpose.com

Japan, SK, Australia, NZ are currently NATO partner nations. Beijing does not want the nations of the region functioning as a group or in any kind of unison. The only hope of the CCP DictatorTyrants in Beijing is to hang 'em separately rather than try to hang 'em together cause that won't work. Indeed, the countries throughout the region who over thousands of years know China best -- meaning worst -- won't have any more of it.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

CCP Boyz in Beijing are this year trying now to repair their self ruptured trade relations with Australia.

After Oz in 2020 called for an international investigation of the origins of Covid in China Beijing went bananas and cut off trade with Oz. Canberra had already shut down Huawei and Tick-Tock, negated Beijing's recent purchase and partial ownership of the Oz electric power grid and its purchases of dairy and cattle farms. The Oz trade with China dropped off by $20bn bucks. The "trade blockade" by Beijing against Oz included coal, agricultural products, wine, grains, iron ore, natural gas among other goods.

You're exaggerating the "cut off" of trade. Accepting your figure of $20 bn, it still has be considered against $105 billion in 2020. The major export of Australia to China is iron ore (more than half the total) and the Chinese knew better than to damage that trade.

Actually it seems very like the trade war with the US. China targets small industries where the political pain will be most acute. And there's no satisfactory response to that: unlike in China, we have political opposition to bailing out individual companies.

Also, from China's point of view, Australia started it by banning Huawei.

 

[Tangmo]

Also, from China's point of view, Australia started it by banning Huawei.

The CCP that created, owns and operates the PRC established a law that all Chinese companies that do business abroad must cooperate in CCP foreign intelligence gathering.

Huawei is included in this of course. So is Tick-Tock. Neither are they the only ones in Chinese espionage and treachery. There are for instance the Chinese Confucius Institutes at college campuses in the West, not only in the USA. They pay their own way to the college and universities and are staffed by CCP personnel.

That you are on the side of the CCP DictatorTyrants in Beijing changes nothing about this or anything else.

 

[Port & Starboard]

The UK invented the radar so we're actually pretty good at making them

The UK did not invent the radar.

Heinrich Hertz got the theory rolling, and Christian Hulsmeyer (Germany) actually got it to detect objects.

Robert Watson-Watt (UK) had the luxury of input from many other people, along with living in the industrial age to refine it's distance measuring capabilities.



The foundations for the development of radar were laid by Heinrich Hertz: in 1886, while gathering experimental data to demonstrate the existence of electromagnetic waves, he discovered that radio waves are reflected by metallic objects. Within the framework of his experiments he used special reflectors. In 1904, the German high frequency technician Christian Hülsmeyer carried out the first detection experiments using radar waves. While experimenting with Hertz's reflector, he noticed that electric waves that were emitted from a transmitter and reflected by a metal surface can be used to detect distant metallic objects. He then developed a device that could measure the transit time of reflected waves: the telemobiloscope. On 30 April 1904, he took out a patent for the process and is therefore the inventor of radar.

Another important discovery during the development of radar was the verification of the Doppler effect. With this effect, radar can be used to determine whether or not a detected object is moving. It is named after the Austrian physicist and mathematician Christian Doppler, who predicted the effect in 1842.

 

[Tangmo]

Actually it seems very like the trade war with the US. China targets small industries where the political pain will be most acute. And there's no satisfactory response to that: unlike in China, we have political opposition to bailing out individual companies.

Beijing has abandoned its "Wolf Warrior" diplomacy against countries it doesn't like such as Australia due to the massive global negative reaction against it.

CCP Boyz in Beijing are now schmoozing up to Australia again. This is because Wolf Warrior diplomacy has shattered the Beijing fraud of China's peaceful rise. Xi Jinping and his belligerence and bellicosity changed the myth of the peaceful rise of China. Until Xi for instance Taiwan had been dormant, but now it's hell on wheels in Beijing because of Xi.

Beijing damaged itself in trade with Australia when it went bananas after Canberra called for an international investigation in China of the origins of Covid.

Wolf Warrior diplomacy btw comes from the Chinese movie in China Wolf Warrior 2 in which a retired PLA special ops guy kicks the world's arse beginning with the USA whose forces are portrayed as fleeing the Asia Pacific. The Warrior kills an American diplomat and says, "You'll always be inferior to people like me." This is indeed Xi Jinping CCP cinema in China.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

The CCP that created, owns and operates the PRC established a law that all Chinese companies that do business abroad must cooperate in CCP foreign intelligence gathering.

Huawei is included in this of course. So is Tick-Tock. Neither are they the only ones in Chinese espionage and treachery. There are for instance the Chinese Confucius Institutes at college campuses in the West, not only in the USA. They pay their own way to the college and universities and are staffed by CCP personnel.

That the ban was justified by national security, does not change that it was offensive commercially. China could well have imposed bans on Australian imports just on the basis of that, but instead they waiting for further provocation.

That you are on the side of the CCP DictatorTyrants in Beijing changes nothing about this or anything else.

Australia, the US and Britain started the trade war. Whichever side you think I'm on, does not change that.

 

[Tangmo]

That the ban was justified by national security, does not change that it was offensive commercially. China could well have imposed bans on Australian imports just on the basis of that, but instead they waiting for further provocation.

Governments spy on one another.

Each government seeks to minimize and if possible eliminate enemy governments spying on it and its citizens.

The West does not spy on Chinese in China using phones. The CCP of the PRC does spy against the West using its phone products. This is being be stopped.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

Another important discovery during the development of radar was the verification of the Doppler effect. With this effect, radar can be used to determine whether or not a detected object is moving. It is named after the Austrian physicist and mathematician Christian Doppler, who predicted the effect in 1842.

Oh can it? If the object is moving laterally to the radar station, there is no shortening or lengthening of the returning wave.

You should always cite sources you're quoting from. So we can tell if they're only wrong in one detail, or are complete rubbish.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

Governments spy on one another.

Each government seeks to minimize and if possible eliminate enemy governments spying on it and its citizens.

The West does not spy on Chinese in China using phones. The CCP of the PRC does spy against the West using its phone products. This is being be stopped.

Did we ever offer compensation for the lost markets of Huawei or TikTok?

No, we just punished them for complying with Chinese law.

"America First" holds that any loss of trade with China would be a good thing, or in other words there is no degree of Trade War which the US would not win. But they're overlooking that considerable US capital is tied up in Chinese factories and workforce, and if we create a situation of nothing to lose (ie no future investments, no US markets) then China will simply nationalize those. And though they could offer compensation, they have Huawei as an excellent precedent not to give the US a cent.

 

[Tangmo]

Australia, the US and Britain started the trade war. Whichever side you think I'm on, does not change that.

Trump's so called trade war set CCP back a dozen years.

Trump with China hater Peter Navarro in the WH drove a lot of cheap manufacturing out of China to other and lower wage countries globally. This severely impacted the CCP economy, which is now at GDP of 3% or so, which in China is a recession.

Nomura in 2018 said accurately the CCP economy will break zero percent, likely by the end of 2024. This is on track. We're talking depression. Because China is past due for its "major economic correction" all economies gone wild and crazy get.

You see, history shows that debtor nations such as the USA start trade wars against creditor nation opponents because the debtor nations always win. Biden meanwhile has done nothing to change that which Trump started against the CCP. So it continues. Which means Beijing will have to come abegging.

 

[Tangmo]

Did we ever offer compensation for the lost markets of Huawei or TikTok?

No, we just punished them for complying with Chinese law.

"America First" holds that any loss of trade with China would be a good thing, or in other words there is no degree of Trade War which the US would not win. But they're overlooking that considerable US capital is tied up in Chinese factories and workforce, and if we create a situation of nothing to lose (ie no future investments, no US markets) then China will simply nationalize those. And though they could offer compensation, they have Huawei as an excellent precedent not to give the US a cent.

You have a posting habit of not making any sense.

For instance, CCP requires all foreign companies to have a CCP partner company. Which allows the CCP "partner" company to suck technology out of the foreign company. Google left China because of this years ago. Indeed, Google recognized the long term prospects of the CCP were dim. It wasn't worth their wasted effort or negative investment. The absolutist and uncompromising Chinese of which the CCP is but the present incarnation.

Foreign capital is fleeing China at the rate of $1 Trillion a year. There isn't much of anything left for CCP to, as you fantasize, nationalize. As I noted, GDP is 3% and on a steady path to below zero. CCP are screwed, coming soon. Their entire legitimacy with the people is economic advancement. That's gone bust already.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Oh can it? If the object is moving laterally to the radar station, there is no shortening or lengthening of the returning wave.

You should always cite sources you're quoting from. So we can tell if they're only wrong in one detail, or are complete rubbish.

It still goes that the UK did not invent the radar.

A UK citizen refined it..................along with the help of many other people.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

Trump's so called trade war set CCP back a dozen years.

Trump with China hater Peter Navarro in the WH drove a lot of cheap manufacturing out of China to other and lower wage countries globally. This severely impacted the CCP economy, which is now at GDP of 3% or so, which in China is a recession.

Nomura in 2018 said accurately the CCP economy will break zero percent, likely by the end of 2024. This is on track. We're talking depression. Because China is past due for its "major economic correction" all economies gone wild and crazy get.

You see, history shows that debtor nations such as the USA start trade wars against creditor nation opponents because the debtor nations always win. Biden meanwhile has done nothing to change that which Trump started against the CCP. So it continues. Which means Beijing will have to come abegging.

We'll see. China has other export markets, and in fact has such low production costs it can "flow over" tariffs. Their current low growth could just be that they're using price controls to defeat inflation. While we're raising official interest rates. I'm not entirely comfortable with the side I'm on, though of course I recognize the dangers of price controls.

China also has more of a Covid problem than they like to admit. Their vaccine sucks, and they're still using city-by-city shutdowns in a futile attempt to stamp the virus out entirely. We thought we could do that, we were proven wrong, we then shifted to a more nuanced approach including both benign and authoritarian means to increase vaccination. With our relatively good vaccines, that has worked quite well.

See, this is where all dictatorships fail. The inferiors don't dare be the bringers of bad news, so they lie. Then leadership never gets feedback on what's working and what's not. China being so successful despite being a dictatorship, is because they get commercial feedback through trade and investment.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

You have a posting habit of not making any sense.

And you have a posting habit of insulting people you don't agree with.

For instance, CCP requires all foreign companies to have a CCP partner company. Which allows the CCP "partner" company to suck technology out of the foreign company. Google left China because of this years ago. Indeed, Google recognized the long term prospects of the CCP were dim. It wasn't worth their wasted effort or negative investment. The absolutist and uncompromising Chinese of which the CCP is but the present incarnation.

Foreign capital is fleeing China at the rate of $1 Trillion a year. There isn't much of anything left for CCP to, as you fantasize, nationalize.

Perhaps you'd like to put a number on "isn't much of anything". I note before that you claimed $20 billion of lost trade, but didn't bother mentioning that it was less than a fifth of total Australia to China trade.

As I noted, GDP is 3% and on a steady path to below zero. CCP are screwed, coming soon. Their entire legitimacy with the people is economic advancement. That's gone bust already.

"Steady paths" in economics are bunk, surely you realize that. If as you claim there isn't much more to nationalize, then it follows that the downward trend of China GDP will end. At 3%, which is about what a trade neutral country can expect. China still has its domestic market of course, and is not limited by the small country problem (eg no car industry, because the domestic base is not big enough, no semiconductors etc).

If I may return an insult, I think you're prone to wishful thinking. You're afraid of China, so you're overly willing to believe they will defeat themselves.

 

[ralfy]

Related:

Australia Says It’s Not Committed to Siding With U.S. in Potential Taiwan Conflict

The Australian defense minister says his country has made no promises to the United States that Australia would support its ally in any future conflict over Taiwan in exchange for American nuclear-powered submarines

time.com

 

[Tangmo]

We'll see. China has other export markets, and in fact has such low production costs it can "flow over" tariffs. Their current low growth could just be that they're using price controls to defeat inflation. While we're raising official interest rates. I'm not entirely comfortable with the side I'm on, though of course I recognize the dangers of price controls.

China also has more of a Covid problem than they like to admit. Their vaccine sucks, and they're still using city-by-city shutdowns in a futile attempt to stamp the virus out entirely. We thought we could do that, we were proven wrong, we then shifted to a more nuanced approach including both benign and authoritarian means to increase vaccination. With our relatively good vaccines, that has worked quite well.

See, this is where all dictatorships fail. The inferiors don't dare be the bringers of bad news, so they lie. Then leadership never gets feedback on what's working and what's not. China being so successful despite being a dictatorship, is because they get commercial feedback through trade and investment.

China GDP is 3% according to Western investment houses to include global bankers.

When Xi assumed full powers in 2013 GDP was 11% to 10%.

Nomura said in 2018 the CCP economy will crash through zero growth into minus territory. And that anything below 5% is a recession. It's going straight into depression. A long delayed and overdue "major economic correction."

According to Yahoo News Xi in Moscow said "the United States is engaged in all-around containment, encirclement and suppression of China” — a campaign of sanctions and diplomatic pressure that he says has brought “unprecedented severe challenges” to the country. Xi is only starting to smell the green tea although he knows he's screwed throughout the region and globally.

 

[Tangmo]

Related:

Australia Says It’s Not Committed to Siding With U.S. in Potential Taiwan Conflict

The Australian defense minister says his country has made no promises to the United States that Australia would support its ally in any future conflict over Taiwan in exchange for American nuclear-powered submarines

time.com

Your link says specifically not in return for the nuclear powered subs. The subs are not a quid pro quo specifically however.

Aussies would join US to defend Taiwan; Defense Minister says ‘inconceivable’ they wouldn’t​

The reliably bellicose Global Times' editor, Hu Xijin, slammed Dutton's remarks in a Tweet, promising a “heavy attack” on Australia if it should get involved in any Taiwan conflict.​

Aussies would join US to defend Taiwan; Defense Minister says 'inconceivable' they wouldn't - Breaking Defense

The reliably bellicose Global Times' editor, Hu Xijin, slammed Dutton's remarks in a Tweet, promising a “heavy attack” on Australia if it should get involved in any Taiwan conflict.

breakingdefense.com

The CCP is a malicious force in the region and in the world. Accordingly, it is negative in the extreme that anyone would stick up for 'em. CCP are going down the tubes as it is. Siding with losers is unwise indeed.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

China GDP is 3% according to Western investment houses to include global bankers.

When Xi assumed full powers in 2013 GDP was 11% to 10%.

Nomura said in 2018 the CCP economy will crash through zero growth into minus territory. And that anything below 5% is a recession. It's going straight into depression. A long delayed and overdue "major economic correction."

According to Yahoo News Xi in Moscow said "the United States is engaged in all-around containment, encirclement and suppression of China” — a campaign of sanctions and diplomatic pressure that he says has brought “unprecedented severe challenges” to the country. Xi is only starting to smell the green tea although he knows he's screwed throughout the region and globally.

3% GDP growth is not a recession.

The US gets by despite having a negative trade balance. The reason is having the world's largest market, onshore. China can do that too.

And even if they don't escape the developed-nation curse of low GDP growth, China could still spend a lot more on their military.

You accuse me of being pro-China. But I think it's better to be realistic about China's future, than to indulge in every interpretation which has them defeating themselves. China is not Russia. China is not Venezuela. They're not going to choke to death just to please you.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

Your link says specifically not in return for the nuclear powered subs. The subs are not a quid pro quo specifically however.

Aussies would join US to defend Taiwan; Defense Minister says ‘inconceivable’ they wouldn’t​

The reliably bellicose Global Times' editor, Hu Xijin, slammed Dutton's remarks in a Tweet, promising a “heavy attack” on Australia if it should get involved in any Taiwan conflict.​

Dutton isn't the Defense Minister. That was the previous (Coalition) government. The current Minister is Richard Marles.

Aussies would join US to defend Taiwan; Defense Minister says 'inconceivable' they wouldn't - Breaking Defense

The reliably bellicose Global Times' editor, Hu Xijin, slammed Dutton's remarks in a Tweet, promising a “heavy attack” on Australia if it should get involved in any Taiwan conflict.

breakingdefense.com

The CCP is a malicious force in the region and in the world. Accordingly, it is negative in the extreme that anyone would stick up for 'em. CCP are going down the tubes as it is. Siding with losers is unwise indeed.

Siding with the US is a good idea, up to the point you give up your major export market. Australia has a much lesser reserve currency advantage (it's about in proportion to their GDP). Australia is only wealthy because of exports.

And so you see, Australia has much more to gain from a multilateral world balance of power. Europeans matter more to Australia, than they do to America. India also matters, as does Indonesia. While it's nice that the US offers firepower, the real balance of power in Asia/Pacific will be economic. It will favor whoever invests the most, and the previous Presidency set a disturbing precedent. If the US pursues "America First" and cuts off investment, China will win the hearts and stomachs of the region. Regardless of who controls the airspace.

 

[Tangmo]

3% GDP growth is not a recession.

The US gets by despite having a negative trade balance. The reason is having the world's largest market, onshore. China can do that too.

And even if they don't escape the developed-nation curse of low GDP growth, China could still spend a lot more on their military.

You accuse me of being pro-China. But I think it's better to be realistic about China's future, than to indulge in every interpretation which has them defeating themselves. China is not Russia. China is not Venezuela. They're not going to choke to death just to please you.

De Nile isn't only a river in Egypt because 3% GDP growth in China is a recession.

CCP is going head on into a below zero GDP depression, the long delayed and inevitable "major economic correction."

Each and every Chinese dynasty has failed. Western experts and scholars say why. When the going gets tough as it is now in China they give more power to the gang in power that's mucking up the works. The result is that with more power the gang in power drive the country into the ground. So the new next dynasty of idiots moves in. Rinse & Repeat.

In the dead giveaway now, Xi Jinping and his gang have already been appointed emperors for life. Rinse & Repeat.

I say again, each and every Chinese dynasty has failed. CCP is in fact a new and nervous dynasty of Chinese emperors in business suits and Florsheims. Indeed, they're tanking already.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

De Nile isn't only a river in Egypt because 3% GDP growth in China is a recession.

You've replied to this before. And you're overlooking the obvious rebuttal "3% GDP growth is not a recession." ANYWHERE. It's just an absurd claim.

CCP is going head on into a below zero GDP depression, the long delayed and inevitable "major economic correction."

As you've said before. It's pure speculation.

Each and every Chinese dynasty has failed. Western experts and scholars say why. When the going gets tough as it is now in China they give more power to the gang in power that's mucking up the works. The result is that with more power the gang in power drive the country into the ground. So the new next dynasty of idiots moves in. Rinse & Repeat.

Your prediction that the "Mao dynasty" has had its time, is based on coincidence and your willingness to believe.

China scares you. Well it scares me too, but I am in late middle age and will never have children. So I guess I don't care too much about China ten or twenty years from now.

In the dead giveaway now, Xi Jinping and his gang have already been appointed emperors for life. Rinse & Repeat.

I say again, each and every Chinese dynasty has failed. CCP is in fact a new and nervous dynasty of Chinese emperors in business suits and Florsheims. Indeed, they're tanking already.

Are you really sure you want to rely on such weak evidence? This is world history we're talking about. It's not easy to predict.

 

[Tangmo]

And so you see, Australia has much more to gain from a multilateral world balance of power. Europeans matter more to Australia, than they do to America. India also matters, as does Indonesia. While it's nice that the US offers firepower, the real balance of power in Asia/Pacific will be economic. It will favor whoever invests the most, and the previous Presidency set a disturbing precedent. If the US pursues "America First" and cuts off investment, China will win the hearts and stomachs of the region. Regardless of who controls the airspace.

You don't connect my friend.

You're ignoring my posts about the "major economic correction" occurring in the CCP's China since Xi took full power in 2013.

You don't understand that Xi and his dynasty are helpless, same as each and every idiot Chinese dynasty that has failed, failed, failed and so on.

I swear, you China Boyz are hard core.

 

[Tangmo]

You've replied to this before. And you're overlooking the obvious rebuttal "3% GDP growth is not a recession." ANYWHERE. It's just an absurd claim.
As you've said before. It's pure speculation.
Your prediction that the "Mao dynasty" has had its time, is based on coincidence and your willingness to believe.
China scares you. Well it scares me too, but I am in late middle age and will never have children. So I guess I don't care too much about China ten or twenty years from now.

Are you really sure you want to rely on such weak evidence? This is world history we're talking about. It's not easy to predict.

Economic experts assert that 3% GDP growth in China is a recession. That anything below 5% in the still developing command economy of CCP is a recession. And that, according to the Nomura research project on capital in CCP, in 2018, GDP will break zero by the end of 2024. Nomura's forecast is right on schedule from its completion.

I never said speculation either.

You're desperate and I'm tired of it. It's the way you people work, ie, just wear the other guy out. Triumph of The Will.

 

[Median Voter]

Indonesia is key as it is a member of ASEAN, the biggest economy of Asean and the 4th most populous nation of the world while the USA is the 3rd. Jakarta and Washington recognize what a USA-Indonesian alliance could accomplish for each in the Indo Pacific region, as does the USA Strategic Partner India where the US armed forces have open access to all India military bases to include for operations against a third country.

While Jakarta's long standing policy is non alignment it lives in China's neighborhood so it has many grievances against China both presently and historically. Indonesian relations with the USA are good whether it's trade, diplomacy, militarily. Indonesian relations with Beijing are non relations at best.

That...is not even true.

China and the U.S. Are Wooing Indonesia, and Beijing Has the Edge

The resource-laden nation of nearly 300 million is a big prize in the strategic battle between the United States and China for influence in Asia.

www.nytimes.com

"When the U.S. defense secretary, Lloyd J. Austin III, visited Indonesia in November, he pressed his counterpart there about a deal to buy 36 American fighter jets. He left without an agreement.

Just days before, the same Indonesian official, Prabowo Subianto, met with China’s defense minister, and the two countries pledged to resume joint military exercises.

China has vast economic ties to Indonesia. It's not a US ally by any means.

Much to my surprise an incisive analysis about this comes from a Bloomberg columnist Hal Brands...

China’s drive for dominance in its region, and its efforts to amass power globally, are most likely to succeed if Beijing can pick off the countries that oppose it one by one. Beijing’s overreach is having the effect of bringing its rivals closer together. More plausible would be something between a multilateral alliance and America’s existing set of relationships. It wouldn’t take an Asian NATO for the U.S. and its friends in the Indo-Pacific to make China pay for that mistake. As Grossman notes, serious staff talks about how the Quad could help India in a land war with China, or Japan in a naval and air clash in the East China Sea, would force Beijing to reckon with the possibility that even limited aggression would turn into a far larger crisis; additional combined training and exercises would foster the military interoperability that makes collective action credible.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[Tangmo]

That...is not even true.

"When the U.S. defense secretary, Lloyd J. Austin III, visited Indonesia in November, he pressed his counterpart there about a deal to buy 36 American fighter jets. He left without an agreement.

Just days before, the same Indonesian official, Prabowo Subianto, met with China’s defense minister, and the two countries pledged to resume joint military exercises.

China has vast economic ties to Indonesia. It's not a US ally by any means.

I never said anywhere at any time Indonesia is a US ally because Indonesia is a non aligned nation. It plays both sides of the fence. One time they say yes to you the next time they say no to you. Non aligned ha. It's the game they play.

Indonesia had violent and fiery anti Chinese riots throughout the country around 15 years ago burning down Chinese businesses and neighborhoods. Indonesians don't like their dependency on China and their Chinese bosses and owners trying to control their country which the USA does not do.

China and Indonesia "pledge" a lot but don't seem to get much done about it, while the US and Indonesia have 16 years of ongoing joint military exercises with 14 nations of the Indo-Pacific region -- China can't handle that don't you know. China manage 14 nations working together in military exercises ha, that's both hilarious and pathetic. Beijing can barely manage their own bumbling forces never mind 14 nations in a joint and integrated exercise.

“When we’re together like this, we are stronger,” said Commanding General of the U.S. Army Pacific, General Charles Flynn.


BATURAJA, Indonesia – Under the banners of 14 nations, the 16th annual Garuda Shield exercise, the cornerstone of the military partnership between the United States and Indonesia, officially kicked off on August 3, 2022. Expanding from a bilateral training event between the Indonesian Army and the U.S. Army, this year’s “Super Garuda Shield” is now one of the biggest joint, multinational exercises in the Indo-Pacific region.

The strong and diverse Super Garuda Shield 2022 features a number of “firsts,” including the first ever tri-lateral airborne jump among the United States, Indonesia, and Japan. More than 4,000 combined forces personnel, including Australia, Singapore, and Japan Ground Self Defense Force, are participating in support of the exercise. Other participating nations include Canada, France, India, Malaysia, New Zealand, the Republic of Korea, Papua New Guinea, Timor Leste, and the United Kingdom.

Super Garuda Shield 2022 Showcases Multinational Partnership and Joint Interoperability

BATURAJA, Indonesia – Under the banners of 14 nations, the 16th annual Garuda Shield exercise, the cornerstone of the military partnership between the U...

www.army.mil

Yeah, youse China FanBois are just too much I'm afraid.