-- from our EU members?
FACTBOX-Austerity measures around the euro zone | Reuters
I wonder how that is going to play out? And what Americans will do if the same kind of measures are enacted in the USA?
Any informed input from our EU members?
FACTBOX-Austerity measures around the euro zone | Reuters
I wonder how that is going to play out? And what Americans will do if the same kind of measures are enacted in the USA?
Any informed input from our EU members?
-- At the moment the Irish economy is so bad that they wish they had the economy of Greece almost heh... but no media coverage of that /shrug.
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Ironically enough Spain still has one of the lowest debt vs GDP in Europe and ironically despite the austerity measures last I looked the economy was growing.. very little, but growing. Unemployment is a problem, but it always has been in Spain... even during the good years it was 10%
The UK is going for the double dip thing it seems if the conservative liberal government continues with its plans, but then again with the new polls out they might think again. Newest polls put Labour ahead for the first time in 3 years. Plus the present government is having serious issues internally so one has to wonder how long it will last in its present form --
There have been some major reviews on the Irish economy over the last few months, another one broadcast this week when Robert Peston did a major feature on the news. Here's some of the essentials in his BBC Blog
There's been similar reviews in Spain and yes the financial figures actually looked good - but on the other hand, the dependence on construction and Northern Europeans buying holiday or retirement homes and the long term forecasts are not promising for the Spanish Economy. Most of the analysts seem to think Spain will be OK but certainly there's upheaval on some of the streets and this morning Spain lost its AAA creditworthiness..
I don't sit wishing ill on Spain or Ireland, I have friends there who face tough futures. As I stated above, we may face problems over the repayments but we certainly are going to recover and be stronger from the measures.
Some economies (Greece etc) have more uncertainty - ironic that if Turkey enters the EU we may find Greek workers trying to enter Turkey to work as the Turkish economy has been doing reasonably well the last few years.
...the last thing a government should want to do is cut or eliminate the salaries of their federal workers and place more people either on welfare programs..
If I understand the situation in most European countries correctly, the citizens who work for the government are upset that their respective governments have cut government spending to such a degree that their government jobs are at stake. All that does is add to their unemployment numbers. Thus, placing more people on the very social programs these governments don't want people being on in the first place.
So, they've cut funding to social programs, cut funding to government employee salaries and as such added more people on social welfare while removing income from the very economy they're trying to help save! Doesn't make any sense. And if we're not careful, the same things will happen in the U.S. if the Republicans have their way.
It's a nasty cycle for sure, but the last thing a government should want to do is cut or eliminate the salaries of their federal workers and place more people either on welfare programs or decrease the demand within the consumer markets. That's exactly what will happen if the U.S. follows this same pattern.
The rest of Europe the austerity measures are wage freezes, changes in pensions and other benefits, optimization of existing programs and so on.
There's also an 'austerity' measure in the European Parliament itself - as MEPs could now be FINED for not wanting to listen to the EU Commission President's awful, bloody boring sermons!
Barroso: "I'm a very important penpusher - Ve haf vays of making you listen!"; EU business news - EUbusiness.com
Absolutely bleeding insane! If our own masters can't stand the sound of each other then we really are doomed!
Still, the money garnered from such silly fines can be put into the rejuvination pot, eh?
EUobserver / EU parliament abandons attendance fine idea for Barroso speech
Oh. Can't even get that right!
In Britain the Government 'created' countless thousands of State-paid non-jobs in order to have a quick-fix to unemployment there was a few years back. New Labour didn't seem to have any real idea about proper job creation and investment into our own people. Now the chickens have come home to roost and somebody has to decide if it's cheaper for them to be paid wages or welfare through taxes.
One problem has been such a lack of protectionism for domestic economies that coolie labour with fewer rights have been welcomed by too many employers, which hasn't helped the employment situation for people already living where they are.
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...environment-bills-law-says-liberal-clegg.html
Stop trying to derail the debate with this crap.
Please clarify.....
If I understand the situation in most European countries correctly, the citizens who work for the government are upset that their respective governments have cut government spending to such a degree that their government jobs are at stake. All that does is add to their unemployment numbers. Thus, placing more people on the very social programs these governments don't want people being on in the first place.
So, they've cut funding to social programs, cut funding to government employee salaries and as such added more people on social welfare while removing income from the very economy they're trying to help save! Doesn't make any sense. And if we're not careful, the same things will happen in the U.S. if the Republicans have their way.
It's a nasty cycle for sure, but the last thing a government should want to do is cut or eliminate the salaries of their federal workers and place more people either on welfare programs or decrease the demand within the consumer markets. That's exactly what will happen if the U.S. follows this same pattern.
The (sound) argument is the one that says governments shouldn´t cut spending during a recession.
Margaret Thatcher was of the opposite opinion. She always maintained that, as in her domestic life, spending within her means as Prime Minister during a recession was only sensible.
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The question is, did Margaret spend within her means?
Last month gaffe-prone Mr Blunt said he had left his wife of 20 years to "come to terms with his homosexuality".
Well that's Democracy, Eurofederalist style - wanting to silence perfectly legitimate and legal dissent, in this case with foul language!
(Of course, your heroes are the true master craftsmen: European Parliament to ban Eurosceptic groups - Telegraph )
There is a relevance here. If the order of the day is to tighten up belts, then perhaps our own masters can lead by example! And on top of this, the Eurozone is merely the agent of the EU, created for purely political purposes. (That's why the EU still wants to dementedly expand, despite economic troubles in the existing Union!)
Thus, it's quite right and proper to scrutinise and criticise the body responsible - it's known as calling for accountability, something the EU naturally finds strange.
Cheap foreign labour tend to have fewer employment rights and can be paid less. Companies love 'em, though there's a great irony - competing with China, the socialist paradise of sweatshop labour, means plenty of companies really do have to treat employees like cattle as much as possible just to turn a profit.
I've taken this in before, enjoying a to-and-fro with Infinite Chaos along the way:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/68170-british-jobs-foreign-workers-anti-racist-britain.html
Though it's not just consumer goods which get the British job market undercut: Influx of 10,000 foreign workers for Olympic jobs | News
The EU amplifies the problem, something even New Labour recognised, the problem getting so bad that there were those famous STRIKES over it!
EU enlargement blocked over backlash against foreign workers - Telegraph
Britain shamed for its 'immoral' exploitation of foreign labour - This Britain, UK - The Independent - Even looking at it from a left wing angle, using mass coolie labour is a bad thing!
Unions threaten strike vote over cheap foreign workers | Business | guardian.co.uk
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THE REST OF THE IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE PILE:
BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Unions urge EU labour law changes
Power station protest against foreign workers - Telegraph
'British jobs for British workers': Brown's big lie as wildcat strikes spread over foreign labour shipped into the UK | Mail Online
BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Nuclear workers join strikes wave
And there's a big hole in the immigration-to-cure-worker-shortage logic as well: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/75849-small-cap-immigration-leftards-go-mad.html
Following on from above, even I must admit I'm a bit angry on this one: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...wn-demographic-displacement-damian-green.html
THE TORIES - COOLIE LABOUR MASTERS, even wanting to treat BRITISH SOLDIERS as such: Tory minister Crispin Blunt: 'Use heroes as cheap labour' - mirror.co.uk
Are they subject to the same statutes as UK workers or not?
The Lindsey oil dispute stemmed from the EU Posted Workers Directive, says Pam Sidhu, a senior associate at law firm Pinsent Masons. This entitles workers posted overseas on a temporary basis to receive the same basic employment rights as local staff, but does not give them access to collectively agreed terms and conditions that go beyond these. In practice, this means it is possible for employers to hire EU workers on lower rates than UK labour if locally agreed deals are higher.
Hardly narrow-minded to tell the truth. More of that EU-beloved doublespeak I mentioned before, particularly insulting when that august band of frauds and charlatans, who are the heroes of poor Peter, inflict that kind of rubbish themselves.
Example:
International recruitment: why foreign workers are losing interest in the UK
Other times the coolie labour here are exploited by being kept ignorant of the rights they do have. That governments allow this to continue is an act of treason, what with unemployment being at a 14-year high, with excuses that British scumbags 'price themselves out of the market' (or are 'too lazy') to 'explain' it!
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