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Not that I want to re-argue Bush's record with any Liberal (you guys have gone way, WAY off the deep end on this subject), but you should probably know some facts:
1. Saddam: Dead. Taliban: Neutralized. Not really seeing the failure.
2. Gas price when Obama took office: $1.79. Now: 3.59. More than double. Obama increased gas prices more than Carter did, ffs.
3. The housing crisis was Bush's fault? Really? How do arrive at that “logic”?
4. A repeat of #1, and you're forgetting that the wars were approved by the vast majority of Democrats as well as the American People.
5. That's Bush's fault too, eh? Seven (7) months into his Presidency? Does Clinton share any of the blame for dismantling our intelligence services during his term? One last question, is Bush STILL to blame for Obama's failures, almost four years later? I thought so.
6. Hahahahahahaha. Yeah, Kagan and the Sotomayor are legal rock stars. SCOTUS insiders say that The Wise Latina can barely write. Yay, affirmative action.
7. Plame affair? Really? Obama's White House is leaking classified information like a sieve, according to Diane Fienstein. So.
8. Yes, we all know Bush created Katrina (and Rita) with his super-secret hurricane gun that Dick Cheney made in his laboratory. We also know that welfare recipients have no responsibility or obligation to get off the effing couch and get the hell out of the way when a natural disaster is on the way.
9. The Patriot Act came up for renewal, didn't it? How did that turn out? Obama vetoed it because it was so wrong and heinous and eeevil, didn't he? Didn't he?
All this is irrelevant, though, because Bush isn't on the ballot. Neither are his policies. Obama had four full years (half of them with a majority in both houses and a near monopoloy on the propaganda machine that USED to be the news). How's he doing?
Obama had his chance, and failed miserably. We all saw it, although some choose not to.
One that follows the Constitution, remembers they are there for the country and it's citizens, and doesn't look at politics as a career.
If you take a look back, all of Obama's gaff's have been when he was off the teleprompter. There are no teleprompter's during the debates. So he could very will screw up pretty good. Add to that how he seems to get easily frustrated when questioned, your hoped for end result might not be as you expect.
Obama has little to no effect on gas prices.
So not having a president and a congress is following the constitution?
Right. Saddam isn't dead. And the post I was responding to isn't biased opinion either.A. Most of this isn't fact, it is your own biased opinion.
Which is exactly what you said when gas prices balooned under Bush, right? Something you should know about supply and demand: If supply is up, prices drop. Obama has all but outlawed drilling anywhere near America, does that fact a)help or b)hurt prices?Obama has little to no effect on gas prices. Opec and the speculation markets control gas prices, and if I'm not mistaken, the president isn't one of them.
Agreed. I was on top of the real estate bubble in 2006, and the problem from where I sat was the mountain of foreclosures. Foreclosures caused by banks making loans to people who couldn't afford them, because to not give those people mortgages was somehow equated to racism.The housing crisis was a direct result of not enough regulation on the banks and wallstreet. Glass Steagall was killed under the Clinton administration with strong support from Allan Greenspan. (who later said he regretted it)
And he's also at fault FOR listening to those same allies when they were warning us about Saddam. Because of course he was.Bush is at fault for 9:11 for ignoring every single major ally that was sending us giant red flags months before 9:11, saying that there was an eminent attack going to happen on or around 9:11. Instead he ignored it and went on Vacation.
I DO give a ****. It was terrifying to see how many people had have become so dependant on Government that they couldn't even move out of the way when the threat was imminent, unless the Government did it for them, and then blamed the Government for an act of nature anyway. I don't seem to recall anyone placing ANY blame on the hyper-liberal (and hyper-racist) Mayor of New Orleans, though.Bush's failure under Katrina is quite obvious. He did was he has always done, stood there with a stupid look on his face when he should have been taking action... At least act like you give a ****.. seriously.
Obama reauthorized the Patriot Act, and yet it's still Bush's fault? Ah.I believe that Obama reauthorizing the Patriot act is directly related to the fact that we are still at war with the enemy that we created it for. Or it has just become so much of the status-quo that there is no hope of ever getting rid of it.
Yeah, Obama will have "more flexibility after the election." The thought is terrifying.There is a beauty in a second term, You don't have to worry about reelection.
You say this, but in you'r list of 'Bush failures', listed the price of oil. I'll leave that up to others to figure out what it means.
Of course not, but considering how poorly both have been doing for a long time in terms of following the Constitution and working for the people, we might have less damage done without any of them.
Right. Saddam isn't dead. And the post I was responding to isn't biased opinion either.
Which is exactly what you said when gas prices balooned under Bush, right? Something you should know about supply and demand: If supply is up, prices drop. Obama has all but outlawed drilling anywhere near America, does that fact a)help or b)hurt prices?/QUOTE]
I think you are being a little bit too defensive.
When the price rose under Bush I said the exact same thing, because I am not an idiot who thinks otherwise.
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Not that I want to re-argue Bush's record with any Liberal (you guys have gone way, WAY off the deep end on this subject), but you should probably know some facts:
1. Saddam: Dead. Taliban: Neutralized. Not really seeing the failure.
2. Gas price when Obama took office: $1.79. Now: 3.59. More than double. Obama increased gas prices more than Carter did, ffs.
3. The housing crisis was Bush's fault? Really? How do arrive at that “logic”?
4. A repeat of #1, and you're forgetting that the wars were approved by the vast majority of Democrats as well as the American People.
5. That's Bush's fault too, eh? Seven (7) months into his Presidency? Does Clinton share any of the blame for dismantling our intelligence services during his term? One last question, is Bush STILL to blame for Obama's failures, almost four years later? I thought so.
6. Hahahahahahaha. Yeah, Kagan and the Sotomayor are legal rock stars. SCOTUS insiders say that The Wise Latina can barely write. Yay, affirmative action.
Miers had clerked for the Chief Judge of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas, but had never served as a judge. She had neither taught nor written to any substantial extent on law. In private practice, as a corporate litigator, Miers had courtroom experience, but a scant and undistinguished track record of litigating in federal court (almost none litigating constitutional issues), and had never argued a case before the Supreme Court.
7. Plame affair? Really? Obama's White House is leaking classified information like a sieve, according to Diane Fienstein. So.
8. Yes, we all know Bush created Katrina (and Rita) with his super-secret hurricane gun that Dick Cheney made in his laboratory. We also know that welfare recipients have no responsibility or obligation to get off the effing couch and get the hell out of the way when a natural disaster is on the way.
9. The Patriot Act came up for renewal, didn't it? How did that turn out? Obama vetoed it because it was so wrong and heinous and eeevil, didn't he? Didn't he?
All this is irrelevant, though
, because Bush isn't on the ballot. Neither are his policies. Obama had four full years (half of them with a majority in both houses and a near monopoloy on the propaganda machine that USED to be the news). How's he doing?
Obama had his chance, and failed miserably. We all saw it, although some choose not to.
Yes gas prices were low because we were in a full blown depression.
Yes.Um, let me get this right, gas prices were low, less than half of what they are now, because we were in a depression the day Bush left office.
But now prices are twice as high... let me guess.. because the economy is booming?
What insanity...
Yes.
No, because the economy has been growing at a quasi normal pace for quite some time now, thus returning prices to pre-recession levels. You may remember that gas prices were hovering around $4.00 a scant few months before the housing collapse.
Hardly.
If the economy grows at a pace in 3 1/2 years, that allows for gas prices to DOUBLE, then we are not in a depression, and we are not in a recession, we are in booming times that make any other prosperous time look mild.
That is assuming that the only effect on gas prices is GDP growth, which is not true. However, GDP growth, and more importantly economic health do have a great effect on gas prices.
Which is why it was insane for the other poster to suggest they were so low due to a bad economy... for the corollary of such logic would be as I said.
I think Romney will win if he articulates a credible plan to stimulate economic growth, because the country wants to go in a different direction. But not otherwise.
Yes, I understand that it's still months away. Yes, I understand that no one can really know. This is just a poll getting an idea of what you're thinking/feeling right now. If the election was tomorrow, who would you place your bets on for winning?
The real heart of the question is whether or not the GOP base will put up with Romney, a moderately liberal Governor of an East Coast state, in order to get a Kenyan-born Marxist out of the WH.
Romney has severe image problems, and frankly, wasn't wanted by the Repubs back in the primary. The expectations that Repubs will toe the line in this anti-politician climate is a long shot.
Demand and investment where down to the recession, which drove gas prices down. Demand and investment is now up, which drives the price up. This is not complex stuff.
Yes, I understand that it's still months away. Yes, I understand that no one can really know. This is just a poll getting an idea of what you're thinking/feeling right now. If the election was tomorrow, who would you place your bets on for winning?
Romney is such a lousy candidate that real conservatives will refuse to vote for him and most people will find him totally untrustworthy due to his massive flip flopping. So Obama will win.
Oh, never mind, I see you are shooting from the same 'side' as the guy that made the initial comment. It all fits in place now.
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