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We used to do all of those things in the 80's and 90's, did we not? The only difference now is that we expect the Navy to defend as much of the ocean as it did then with a much smaller force than we had 40 years ago. We expect it to do increasingly varied missions for longer periods of time, using increasingly more technologically complicated equipment... but at the same time we reduce the incentives for retaining experienced personnel. Something has got to give here.
You seem to hate the Navy.
The US subs don't some of the Russians subs do but don't seem to use them a lotHaven't they got windows?
New sailors today won't put up with it for very long, and they will just leave when their EOS is up.
I don't blame them.
We accepted whatever the Admirals told us back then even if we knew they were full of shit.
I did a entire Med cruise (8 months) that turned into 157 straight days 3 miles off the coast of Somalia, then 4 weeks off of Bosnia/Croatia without a single port visit other than the typical snail wash down in Rota Spain on the way home. We were home for 12 days only to get sent to Port aux Prince Haiti for another 9 weeks.
We had a 450 ship navy back then and we were the only ship ready to go to Haiti?
****ing bullshit!
Subs rely on Passive sonar more then activeSorry no. They aren't built like the USS Seaview. Even if they did, there is no light as deep as they go. Then to use headlights, would also be giving away their position to the enemy.
They rely on sonar.
So does anyone know what they hit?
The navy should get more proficient over time.
Not regress to "keystone Cops"
Why can't their equipment detect a big old obstacle in their path? That's a definite drawback. Radar? I mean, I'm sure they've thought of that, I'm just curious why they can't use it?They will have to send a survey ship to find out what changed if anything on the map. It could have been an underwater landside that changed the sea floor. It could have been human error in determining where they actually were, or some rocks might have been placed in that area because it is a known transit place for US subs
If it is the last one, then the US navy will have some big concerns as their maps might be made useless and how some other country found out how it is a transit route
Fun fact is bullshit:Fun fact: the US Navy never had ships collide with anything ever prior to the election of Obama.
Radar does not work underwaterWhy can't their equipment detect a big old obstacle in their path? That's a definite drawback. Radar? I mean, I'm sure they've thought of that, I'm just curious why they can't use it?
Is it SOP to be sneaking about in the South China Sea (or anywhere) as if we were in enemy territory? Or were we in someone's territorial waters? Last I knew, we weren't at war over there. Yet, anyway.Radar does not work underwater
They were travelling without using sonar so any new obstacles would not be detected.
The navy would use highly detailed maps to travel deep underwater. Earthquakes, land slides can all alter the sea bed which the map would not show. I expect they update the maps regularly but still could miss something
Subs do that to remain undetected by enemy subs. If they use sonar, they would be detected right away, which subs on patrol do not want.
Heck they might have collided with another sub or underwater drone
The SCS has been a bone of contention for some time now.Is it SOP to be sneaking about in the South China Sea (or anywhere) as if we were in enemy territory? Or were we in someone's territorial waters? Last I knew, we weren't at war over there. Yet, anyway.
Is it SOP to be sneaking about in the South China Sea (or anywhere) as if we were in enemy territory? Or were we in someone's territorial waters? Last I knew, we weren't at war over there. Yet, anyway.
I realize things are tense there. I wonder what a sub accomplishes on 'patrol,' since it can't see a thing. Just to be hanging around in case?The SCS has been a bone of contention for some time now.
Fun fact is bullshit:
5 of the Worst US Navy Ship Collisions in History
BY HAROLD HUTCHISON — WEARETHEMIGHTY.COM The recent collisions involving the Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) and USS John S. McCain (DDG 56) have generated a lot of headlines.www.military.com
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