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Atheists, lets get real

Elvira said:
Humans just are...no rhyme or reason...no point or purpose...they just exist for a short time and wither away, even though the desire of the heart is to live to time indefinite...what a miserable existence that must be...
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Appeal to Consequences - TV Tropes

The truth or falsity of a statement is decided by the positive or negative consequences of it.



An argument for the existence of god (any god, logical fallacies aren't picky) is how much life would suck if there was no god (e.g. we would all become straw nihilists). Conversely, some atheists claim exactly the opposite, that life would suck if gods did exist (e.g. all of existence would be a totalitarian Dystopia). Bear in mind though, that either side isn't necessarily making this fallacy, and may just try to say their opinion. However, it can be hard to tell.
 
rahl said:
uh, by the fact no human in the entirety of human history has ever established a god exists.
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What evidence do you have to support this proposition? or do you just expect us to take your word for it that this is absolutely, undeniably true?

Perhaps I need to spell out the abysmal logic more clearly to those participants who are a little slow; if someone did show proof that God exists (say for example 2,000 years ago) well you did not exist 2,000 years ago did you? and so you would know nothing about it would you?

So you'd need to prove that such an event really did not happen wouldn't you? and you cannot do that can you?

Therefore you are just stating something you believe nothing more and unless I'm mistaken atheists don't like to admit they have beliefs - do they?
 
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Sherlock Holmes said:
What evidence do you have to support this proposition? or do you just expect us to take your word for it that this is absolutely, undeniably true?

Perhaps I need to spell out the abysmal logic more clearly to those participants who are a little slow; if someone did show proof that God exists (say for example 2,000 years ago) well you did not exist 2,000 years ago did you? and so you would know nothing about it would you?

So you'd need to prove that such an event really did not happen wouldn't you? and you cannot do that can you?

Therefore you are just stating something you believe nothing more and unless I'm mistaken atheists don't like to admit they have beliefs - do they?
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What happened 2000 years ago to show that there is a God?
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
What evidence do you have to support this proposition?
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The complete and total lack of any human ever establishing a god exists, and the complete and total lack of evidence showing a god exists.
 
rahl said:
Awesome. Meanwhile, you nor any other human in the entirety of human history can demonstrate a god exists.
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Matthew 10:33

"But whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven."

Keep that same mindset and you'll know soon enough whether or not God is real or not. But by then, it will be too late for you. Do not hesitate! Do not delay! Repent and call upon the Lord and you shall be saved. Your alternative is much worst.
 
Ben_Casey said:
Matthew 10:33

"But whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven."

Keep that same mindset and you'll know soon enough whether or not God is real or not. But by then, it will be too late for you. Do not hesitate! Do not delay! Repent and call upon the Lord and you shall be saved. Your alternative is much worst.
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Whatever.
 
Ben_Casey said:
Matthew 10:33

"But whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven."

Keep that same mindset and you'll know soon enough whether or not God is real or not. But by then, it will be too late for you. Do not hesitate! Do not delay! Repent and call upon the Lord and you shall be saved. Your alternative is much worst.
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So you, like every other human in the entirety of human history, can demonstrate a god exists. Thank you.
 
Ben_Casey said:
Matthew 10:33

"But whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven."

Keep that same mindset and you'll know soon enough whether or not God is real or not. But by then, it will be too late for you. Do not hesitate! Do not delay! Repent and call upon the Lord and you shall be saved. Your alternative is much worst.
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And, how do you know that the author of the Gospel of Mathew is correct?
 
Ben_Casey said:
Matthew 10:33

"But whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven."

Keep that same mindset and you'll know soon enough whether or not God is real or not. But by then, it will be too late for you. Do not hesitate! Do not delay! Repent and call upon the Lord and you shall be saved. Your alternative is much worst.
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Quoting that book again i see.

Look if.you want to use that blind faith, if it gives you peace of.mind, then go for it.

Just don't try to convince me or condemn me because I don't
 
rahl said:
The complete and total lack of any human ever establishing a god exists, and the complete and total lack of evidence showing a god exists.
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Your opinion is not evidence rahl, Trump speaks like you do all the time.
 
RAMOSS said:
And, how do you know that the author of the Gospel of Mathew is correct?
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That's a totally fair question but it can be asked of every document or record from antiquity.

Consider Spartacus for example most people believe he was real but why?
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
Your opinion is not evidence rahl, Trump speaks like you do all the time.
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I didn't offer an opinion. It is an objective fact of reality that no human has ever established that a god exists.
 
rahl said:
I didn't offer an opinion. It is an objective fact of reality that no human has ever established that a god exists.
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No it isn't, this really is just your opinion, your belief, a subjective opinion that reflects your preexisting bias.

Prove to us that this is not simply your opinion, can you do that? Nope.
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
No it isn't, this is your opinion, a subjective opinion that reflects your preexisting bias.

Prove to us that this is not simply your opinion, can you do that? Nope.
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You have it exactly backwards, as usual. It is up to those who claim there is a god to prove it. Until then, rehi is totally correct.
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
No it isn't, this really is just your opinion, your belief, a subjective opinion that reflects your preexisting bias.
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no, this is objective reality. No human has been able to demonstrate a god exits. At any point, in the entirety of human history. This is why you can't point to anyone who has ever done so.

Prove to us that this is not simply your opinion, can you do that? Nope.
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Ok. The complete and total absence of any human in human history to have demonstrated a god exists.
 
rahl said:
no, this is objective reality. No human has been able to demonstrate a god exits. At any point, in the entirety of human history. This is why you can't point to anyone who has ever done so.
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The only human not demonstrating anything here is you.

rahl said:
Ok. The complete and total absence of any human in human history to have demonstrated a god exists.
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So you keep saying but tell me why I should believe you?

You do realize where this going I hope? could it be that you really don't get it?

Man, OK try this then:

No human has been able to run a mile in less than 3:45 At any point, in the entirety of human history.

Can I prove that? no.
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
The only human not demonstrating anything here is you.
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actually I've demonstrated that no human has ever shown a god exists.


So you keep saying but tell me why I should believe you?
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uh, reality? There is no evidence a god exits. No human has ever demonstrated one exists. It's why you can't show us one.
You do realize where this going I hope? could it be that you really don't get it?
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I know exactly where it's going. You have to detach yourself from reality in order to hang on to your beliefs. But reality doesn't change. Nobody, at any point in human history, has ever shown a god exists. It's why you can't show us one that has.
 
rahl said:
actually I've demonstrated that no human has ever shown a god exists.



uh, reality? There is no evidence a god exits. No human has ever demonstrated one exists. It's why you can't show us one.

I know exactly where it's going. You have to detach yourself from reality in order to hang on to your beliefs. But reality doesn't change. Nobody, at any point in human history, has ever shown a god exists. It's why you can't show us one that has.
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OK if we really must.

If a person did prove God exists, say three thousand years ago, but told nobody about it, kept it to themselves then died of old age, you'd have no idea would you?

No you would not, but you need to prove that no such event ever occurred yet you cannot do that.
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
OK if we really must.

If a person did prove God exists, say three thousand years ago, but told nobody about it, kept it to themselves then died of old age, you'd have no idea would you?

No you would not, but you need to prove that no such event ever occurred yet you cannot do that.
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And now we’ve deteriorated into the realm of “anything is possible”, thus completely destroying the possibility of continued rational discussion.
 
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