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Atheists, lets get real

and finally
5. Pliny the Younger
Pliny the Younger, the Roman governor of Bithynia et Pontus, wrote a letter to Emperor Trajan around 112 AD and asked for counsel on dealing with Christians. He remarks on how they “sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god.”
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A description of how a group worships says nothing about the reality of that god.

It is correct that this account doesn’t give any account of Jesus actually living but the claim that it is talking about another Christ falls down when put in context with the rest of the letter. We know of no other religious group who worship a ‘Christ’ and called themselves Christians. Equally important is that there were very few religious groups back then who would have refused to give sacrifice to the Emperor. We know that Christians would refuse to do so and this on top of the other evidence leaves very little doubt that they are referring to actual Christians who follow Jesus Christ.
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That a group worships a specific god says nothing of the reality of that god. Christians certainly don't believe that Kali is a real deity, or Aphrodite, or Odin, or Spider Grandmother.
 
MeSoNe said:
Yes, it does.

Why would you say so? Have you truly studied it and all by yourself come to that conclusion?

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Because, of the actions of those who claim to follow that book.
 
DarthPedant said:
Maybe it says so in his or her favorite book. That's how we determine truth, right? ;)

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I don't think it says so in the Bible. I also don't think you understand the concept of holy scripture.

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MeSoNe said:
I don't think it says so in the Bible. I also don't think you understand the concept of holy scripture.

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I understand the concept. I just don't know why anyone buys into it, especially given how many of them we've written.

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TypicalRussian said:
no they did not, animals dont go the heaven unless they provide joy to humans
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Neanderthals crossed with humans and gave us their DNA which gave some of us our pale skin. But they are banned from heaven?

Neanderthal in our skin
Most Neanderthal variants exist in only around 2 percent of modern people of Eurasian descent. But some archaic DNA is much more common, an indication that it was beneficial to ancient humans as they moved from Africa into Eurasia, which Neanderthals had called home for more than 300,000 years. In their 2014 study, Vernot and Akey found several sequences of Neanderthal origin that were present in more than half of the genomes from living humans they studied. The regions that contained high frequencies of Neanderthal sequences included genes that could yield clues to their functional effect.
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Neanderthal DNA in Modern Human Genomes Is Not Silent | The Scientist Magazine(R)
 
MeSoNe said:
Wait, how do you know?

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well animals dont have souls but if you have a dog that you loved on earth and you go to heaven to be happy, the dog CAN come back
 
TypicalRussian said:
well animals dont have souls but if you have a dog that you loved on earth and you go to heaven to be happy, the dog CAN come back
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I had a pet iguana that died. Can I expect "Cheech" to be waiting for me when I get to heaven too? :lol:
 
Somerville said:
It looks like you are refusing to read the words I wrote:

"The Babylonian Talmud was composed sometime during the late 4th -early 5th centuries, a time when Christianity controlled the Roman Empire and Jews were being persecuted to the extent that many fled Judea for Babylon. "
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whats the point?
 
iguanaman said:
I had a pet iguana that died. Can I expect "Cheech" to be waiting for me when I get to heaven too? :lol:
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yes you can if your dog make you happy then you get happiness in heaven
 
MeSoNe said:
Well, English isn't my first language but I'm pretty fluent I checked the Wikipedia and it was a mythical creature. I don't have the motivation to read the entire page. Also, Muslims believe in the Jinn, for instance, and I think if you understand that I believe in that and in angels, and shaytan, and Jannah and hell and the judgment day etc. you'd understand why it is actually quite difficult for me to tell whether I would believe in a thing X. You assume because you "know" they don't exist, that it is easy to answer, but I know that there are so many (I can't stress this enough) things out there I don't know and you don't know.

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Yes, Muslims being in Djinn. I never saw any evidence that Djinn are more than a story to explain bad thing happening, or people's bad behavior, trying to put blame on someone else, instead of taking responsibility for their own actions.
 
iguanaman said:
I had a pet iguana that died. Can I expect "Cheech" to be waiting for me when I get to heaven too? [emoji38]
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The more urgent question would be, will you get to heaven.

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RAMOSS said:
Yes, Muslims being in Djinn. I never saw any evidence that Djinn are more than a story to explain bad thing happening, or people's bad behavior, trying to put blame on someone else, instead of taking responsibility for their own actions.
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Yes well, your knowledge on the matter seems limited, to say the least.

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TypicalRussian said:
well animals dont have souls but if you have a dog that you loved on earth and you go to heaven to be happy, the dog CAN come back
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What do you mean animals don't have souls? Who said that?

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MeSoNe said:
Yes well, your knowledge on the matter seems limited, to say the least.

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Or, there is an alternative explanation. You believe in an entirely imaginary creature, and the evidence you see is known as 'confirmation bias'.
 
pinqy said:
“ As with the crucifixion, the account of the empty tomb meets the historical criteria of multiple, independent and early eyewitness sources”
There are no eyewitness accounts to the empty tomb. The 6 accounts we do have (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Nicodemus) are all at least second-hand, likely further removed. We cannot rule out that they are all versions of a single source that spread and morphed through multiple tellings.
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The multiple eyewitnesses of the resurrected Jesus provide further evidence the tomb was empty.
 
Somerville said:
Logicmanshould try reading something other that those tales he 'knows' are true. A book by a historian might change a few minds but probably not



I thought this bit helps support the professor's thesis
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Moss is a history-challenged idiot.
 
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