Atheists, lets get real

[TypicalRussian]

The Case for Christ: What's the evidence for the resurrection?

thats the 4th one which part proves Jesus was resurrected?

no, thats the 6th one for me

out google searches are different

 

[TypicalRussian]

the stuff you push is not for me i like some movies

those movies are bad

 

[TypicalRussian]

link away

no i wont

my point is right

 

[TypicalRussian]

The slaughters by religious wars and justification of enslavement and repression of people throughout human history. I'm also a student of history as well as science. You might want look into those fields yourself.

i know a lot of history,

the slaughetrs in no mean religious based

 

[TypicalRussian]

I didn't claim that at all. Again, I changed my position as I became educated (were you suddenly educated?). Please read to comprehend, and not merely to be a dick.

I was educated and better

 

[Peter King]

thats interesting how you come from a non religious background

My mother, grandmother, grandfather were all atheists, maybe the generation before that even too but they were all dedicated atheists.

 

[blarg]

no, thats the 6th one for me

out google searches are different

feel free to pick one you prefer

 

[blarg]

no i wont

my point is right

you have not shown how that is so and if you just say that you have that is my point exactly

 

[Ginger Ale]

Oh Gosh No! Never been religious myself, seen my mother religion jump for years. No thanks. Iḿ not good at judging others for a God. Not my thing.

 

[NWO_Spook]

I was educated and better

LOL I love it when you joke crack jokes-it makes a nice change from your usual drivel.

 

[Noodlegawd]

maximally great being

What is a "maximally great being"?

 

[Logicman]

I was a devout Xian until I became educated, and then I realised that the claims of theists were implausible and lacked sound evidence. No theist has been able to provide any sound evidence that a god or gods exist, and all the philosophical arguments are flawed. The textual evidence is questionable, and all that remains is purely anecdotal. Any other contention would fail to gain acceptance based upon such a flimsy standard of evidence, but many of us seem to feel the need to believe in the supernatural, and are willing to suspend their disbelief in order to fulfil this need. If you want me to 'get real', I feel that one has to be somewhat diminished in reasoning ability to accept such a belief system.

That's bizarre. So, all the Gospel writers, all the epistle writers, and all of the early church fathers who confirmed the authorship of the traditional Gospel authors - they're all liars, charlatans, etc., right?

Tell me a compelling motive - assuming the resurrection isn't true - that explains the behavior of the disciples and also why they (the ones who authored Gospels and epistles) wrote what they did? What made the change in the behavior of the disciples to go from running scared in the Garden of Gethsemane, and denying Jesus, to becoming the brave apostles we see in the Book of Acts?

Why did James change his mind? He thought Jesus was out of his mind. Then in Acts he's one of the leaders of the church.

Why did doubting Thomas change his mind? Why did Saul / Paul quit persecuting Christians and instead become one? What happened to effect all these changes, if not the resurrection? It certainly appears the resurrection is Occam's Razor and the best explanation for all these changes.

And by the way, don't confuse education with Godly wisdom. Slick Willie Clinton was educated. But because he was a full quart low on Godly wisdom, he turned the people's White House into his private bordello.

 

[blarg]

That's bizarre. So, all the Gospel writers, all the epistle writers, and all of the early church fathers who confirmed the authorship of the traditional Gospel authors - they're all liars, charlatans, etc., right?

Tell me a compelling motive - assuming the resurrection isn't true - that explains the behavior of the disciples and also why they (the ones who authored Gospels and epistles) wrote what they did? What made the change in the behavior of the disciples to go from running scared in the Garden of Gethsemane, and denying Jesus, to becoming the brave apostles we see in the Book of Acts?

Why did James change his mind? He thought Jesus was out of his mind. Then in Acts he's one of the leaders of the church.

Why did doubting Thomas change his mind? Why did Saul / Paul quit persecuting Christians and instead become one? What happened to effect all these changes, if not the resurrection? It certainly appears the resurrection is Occam's Razor and the best explanation for all these changes.

And by the way, don't confuse education with Godly wisdom. Slick Willie Clinton was educated. But because he was a full quart low on Godly wisdom, he turned the people's White House into his private bordello.

you dont have to be a liar dont forget being honestly mistaken warped up in the desires fears and the culture of their ancestors

same as every one of every other faith and every christian sect you dont agree with.

what confirms the behavior described in in any part of the bible actually happened?

 

[Logicman]

you dont have to be a liar dont forget being honestly mistaken warped up in the desires fears and the culture of their ancestors

same as every one of every other faith and every christian sect you dont agree with.

what confirms the behavior described in in any part of the bible actually happened?

So they were all mistaken. You know how totally sophomoric that is? Not only wouldn't a fifth grader buy your explanation, but you provide not even one iota of substantiation for that claim. Back up your claims with some evidence and then perhaps you will gain some credibility with these inane postings of yours.

 

[blarg]

So they were all mistaken. You know how totally sophomoric that is? Not only wouldn't a fifth grader buy your explanation, but you provide not even one iota of substantiation for that claim. Back up your claims with some evidence and then perhaps you will gain some credibility with these inane postings of yours.

so you claim every non christian is mistaken do you know how sophomoric that is?

well no it s not a bunch of peel believing something dosent show whats belived is true

and i have included the possibility of being mistaken because of hopes and fears and culture not just dishonesty thats a more complex picture then you weer painting

you seem to be ring on a an even more childish explanation for every non christian


you provide not even one iota of substantiation for that claim. Back up your claims with some evidence and then perhaps you will gain some credibility with these inane postings of yours.

 

[NWO_Spook]

That's bizarre.

No, not at all. What is truly bizarre is that supposedly educated adults believe the mythology attached to an ancient ascetic faith healer to be true.

So, all the Gospel writers, all the epistle writers, and all of the early church fathers who confirmed the authorship of the traditional Gospel authors - they're all liars, charlatans, etc., right?

Well, we don't know who wrote the synoptic gospels and the secondary sources are clearly intended to promote an emerging cult. No doubt those who came later believed the stories, but let's face it, this is a culture that believed that spirits stole food from the pantry because they were largely unaware of the impact of vermin (see Lares).

Tell me a compelling motive - assuming the resurrection isn't true - that explains the behavior of the disciples and also why they (the ones who authored Gospels and epistles) wrote what they did? What made the change in the behavior of the disciples to go from running scared in the Garden of Gethsemane, and denying Jesus, to becoming the brave apostles we see in the Book of Acts? Why did James change his mind? He thought Jesus was out of his mind. Then in Acts he's one of the leaders of the church. Why did doubting Thomas change his mind?

Assuming the texts are true which I doubt, the stories could be nothing more than pure invention to promote the cult. It's not like it has never been done before or since now is it (see Joseph Smith)?

Why did Saul / Paul quit persecuting Christians and instead become one? What happened to effect all these changes, if not the resurrection? It certainly appears the resurrection is Occam's Razor and the best explanation for all these changes.

Or it simply could be to fleece the gullible and leach off the community. It's not like that has never been done before or since. Furthermore, if Occam's razor tells us that the resurrection is the best explanation for these myths, then it isn't worth two cents because virgin births, zombies and beings ascending into heaven are irrational tales when simple human motivation can provide an answer to the question. Remember, these are extraordinary events and as such, they require extraordinary evidence-not simply an anthology of questionable ancient texts replete with specious claims.

And by the way, don't confuse education with Godly wisdom.

I don't, because I don't think 'Godly wisdom' is all that 'wise'.

Slick Willie Clinton was educated. But because he was a full quart low on Godly wisdom, he turned the people's White House into his private bordello.

LOL As if that has anything to do with the point.

Now, over to you as you have the burden of proof. Prove to me this silliness is true and I will accept it.

 

[Logicman]

Well, we don't know who wrote the synoptic gospels and the secondary sources are clearly intended to promote an emerging cult.

The earliest church fathers were UNANIMOUS that the traditional Gospel authors are the ones who wrote their Gospels.

Here are the historical quotations from those early church fathers. Click on the pertinent links.

Matthew Authorship
1. Church Fathers and Matthew’s Gospel | James Malcolm

Mark Authorship
2. Church Fathers and Mark’s Gospel | James Malcolm

Luke Authorship
3. Church Fathers and Luke’s Gospel | James Malcolm

John Authorship
4. Church Fathers and John’s Gospel | James Malcolm

In addition, the authorship of the Gospels was not questioned until Faustus, well over 300 years after the fact. Proximity matters in historiography. Those closest to the writings all stated that the traditional author attributions were intact.

Furthermore, if Occam's razor tells us that the resurrection is the best explanation for these myths, then it isn't worth two cents because virgin births, zombies and beings ascending into heaven are irrational tales when simple human motivation can provide an answer to the question.

Science has never proven that God and the supernatural do not and cannot exist, so your skepticism is not based in science and is, in fact, what is irrational.

Remember, these are extraordinary events and as such, they require extraordinary evidence-not simply an anthology of questionable ancient texts replete with specious claims.

Carl Sagan's claim. Tell me, what would qualify as extraordinary evidence for the resurrection of Jesus?

The Gospels and various epistles, plus extra-Biblical attestations, are multiple, independent, historical confirmations of the life and events of Jesus Christ.

 

[digitusmedius]

All the scourges there are on earth are because of people abrogating the teachings of Jesus. And, after checking the news lately, progressives (regressives) are the cause of a great deal of the mayhem we see today in America.

Progressives love to kneel, but I don't see any of them kneeling for Jesus.

**** that rightwing christianist bull****.

 

[digitusmedius]

i know a lot of history,

the slaughetrs in no mean religious based

Yeah, and it's all false as that second clause demonstrates.

 

[digitusmedius]

I was educated and better

What you've been is indoctrinated. Not at all the same thing.

 

[swing_voter]

What you've been is indoctrinated. Not at all the same thing.

You've been indoctrinated too.


Say we're living in a Matrix like simulation or a The Sims game simulation only a thousand more years advanced.

Wouldn't the owners of the simulation be like Gods to us? For example, they could turn the simulation off, erasing our whole universe.

 

[digitusmedius]

You've been indoctrinated too.


Say we're living in a Matrix like simulation or a The Sims game simulation only a thousand more years advanced.

Wouldn't the owners of the simulation be like Gods to us? For example, they could turn the simulation off, erasing our whole universe.

Then so have you. This episode of "1984" has been brought to you by Conservatives for Bothsiderism for Everything.

 

[blarg]

The earliest church fathers were UNANIMOUS that the traditional Gospel authors are the ones who wrote their Gospels.

Here are the historical quotations from those early church fathers. Click on the pertinent links.

Matthew Authorship
1. Church Fathers and Matthew’s Gospel | James Malcolm

Mark Authorship
2. Church Fathers and Mark’s Gospel | James Malcolm

Luke Authorship
3. Church Fathers and Luke’s Gospel | James Malcolm

John Authorship
4. Church Fathers and John’s Gospel | James Malcolm

In addition, the authorship of the Gospels was not questioned until Faustus, well over 300 years after the fact. Proximity matters in historiography. Those closest to the writings all stated that the traditional author attributions were intact.




Science has never proven that God and the supernatural do not and cannot exist, so your skepticism is not based in science and is, in fact, what is irrational.



Carl Sagan's claim. Tell me, what would qualify as extraordinary evidence for the resurrection of Jesus?

The Gospels and various epistles, plus extra-Biblical attestations, are multiple, independent, historical confirmations of the life and events of Jesus Christ.

so people in a religion said said their religious texts was authentic wow what amazing evidence

 

[blarg]

You've been indoctrinated too.


Say we're living in a Matrix like simulation or a The Sims game simulation only a thousand more years advanced.

Wouldn't the owners of the simulation be like Gods to us? For example, they could turn the simulation off, erasing our whole universe.

you keep saying that what shows us that we are in a simulation and what are you supposed to do about it once that is shown

 

[HIP56948]

I realized there is as much evidence for the god of any religion as there is for Santa. I realized all cultures have certain mythologies, but these are just cultural mythologies. They are more important in creating a shared sense of cultural identity than anything having to do with actual truth. I couldn't understand why I necessarily thought that the particular one associated with my culture was supposed to be all that different or special. Everyone thinks they are special- that's not anything special.

We easily dismiss or laugh off the mythologies of other cultures into which we were not born and indoctrinated. But because our own culture catches and indoctrinates us at a very young and tender age, when we unquestioningly believe in the authority of the grown-ups and especially our parents whom are literally gods to us at that age, it becomes harder to dismiss them when we grow up. It takes some courage to do so.

Excellent truthful post!