Atheists Favorite Argument

[DrewPaul]

Its worse than that. If you merely lack belief the earth is flat then you don't deny it might well be flat.

Besides I could say I merely lack the belief mindless forces without plan or intent caused the universe and all the conditions necessary. And claim I have no burden of proof.

 

[devildavid]

You believe we owe our existence to natural mindless forces that unintentionally without forethought or planning or even wanting the result caused intelligent humans to exist. Or do you have some other explanation? Or perhaps claim you don't know what caused it, you just know that it wasn't intentional.

No, I don’t believe in any such reasons for our existence nor does there need to be a reason. I know that natural things do not have any evidence of being intentionally caused by anything sentient.

 

[devildavid]

By not believing in God, you are taking a position.

I am taking a negative belief position, vs. the positive belief position of theism.

 

[Manc Skipper]

No my belief didn't conjure facts f1-f4 to exist.

But your belief conjured up (your term) the pseudo evidence you offered to justify it.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Yes they infer the existence of things often. There is no direct evidence dark matter exists. The circumstantial evidence is so strong no one doubts it does.

Dark matter is a place name for whatever the as yet undiscovered reason is to explain the effects we see. The effects are there, their cause is not yet deduced.

 

[watsup]

I'm not arguing evolution. I will say a myriad of conditions I briefly outlined have to exist before evolution has a chance.

The experts I cited don't concede the odds. They say for us to exist there are a infinitude of universes of varying characteristics.

Simply not true. They THEORIZE that additional universes MAY be extant.
Plus there’s not a single evolutionary biologist in the world that cares the least bit as to what “myriad of conditions” that you have “outlined” as having to exist before “evolution has a chance”. Your uneducated OPINIONS in that regard have no merit at all.

 

[watsup]

I've also stated our existence could be the result of a scientist in another universe or our existence could be a simulation run on a computer. Would that be called technological theology? Either event the topic of theology should be another thread.

You are theorizing some sort of entity that has extra-natural power to be able to “create” at least one universe. That’s a definition of a god, no matter ow you try to weasel out of it. The question being why you think it is so important to do so.

 

[watsup]

I believe everything evolves which simply means changes over time. Do I believe Darwinian evolution explains all? No. I don't say there is no evidence of it.

Then what does explain it all? Why are you unable to fill your circles?

 

[watsup]

I detect an attitude here why is that? You mean scientifically established process. Was that a Freudian slip? I'm more interested in physics and astronomy. Since I believe the universe and the myriad of conditions necessary for evolution to occur was intentionally caused I'd have to say no. Does that upset you?

And yet you have offered not an iota of objective reality-based, evidence to support your claim of “intentionally caused”.

 

[DrewPaul]

But your belief conjured up (your term) the pseudo evidence you offered to justify it.

Whats the basis for calling it pseudo evidence?

 

[watsup]

No, atheism is an affirmative rejection in the very idea of God.

So?

 

[watsup]

You can’t create everything spontaneously from nothing

Thank you for showing that a “God” is not possible.

 

[watsup]

Yes it is. You are talking a (very fringe) position that there cannot be a god.

Your position would be akin to claiming “I’m a flat earther, that means I merely do not believe the earth is round”

It is hardly a “fringe position” that there cannot be a god. Given that there is no evidence of same, it is the LOGICAL position.

 

[DrewPaul]

No, I don’t believe in any such reasons for our existence nor does there need to be a reason. I know that natural things do not have any evidence of being intentionally caused by anything sentient.

They do have evidence I offered it in the OP. Post #1.
No one, including you has any idea what needs to occur for a life supporting universe to exist.

 

[watsup]

You believe we owe our existence to natural mindless forces that unintentionally without forethought or planning or even wanting the result caused intelligent humans to exist. Or do you have some other explanation? Or perhaps claim you don't know what caused it, you just know that it wasn't intentional.

There is not an iota of objective, reality-based evidence that it was intentional. None.

 

[watsup]

Whats the basis for calling it pseudo evidence?

Geez, a number of people have already told you this! Do you even read the posts?
(And I feel yet another repetition coming in from DrewPaul. How many is that now?

 

[devildavid]

They do have evidence I offered it in the OP. Post #1.
No one, including you has any idea what needs to occur for a life supporting universe to exist.

You offered no evidence. And nice of you to admit that you have no idea.

 

[watsup]

They do have evidence I offered it in the OP. Post #1.
No one, including you has any idea what needs to occur for a life supporting universe to exist.

Pseudo-evidence. You’ve been told this many times.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Thank you for showing that a “God” is not possible.

No, that proves the opposite. God exists outside of time and the physical world, and can therefore create the physical world.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

There is not an iota of objective, reality-based evidence that it was intentional. None.

Nothing cannot produce complex systems

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I am taking a negative belief position, vs. the positive belief position of theism.

Claiming there is no God is a positive belief.

 

[devildavid]

Claiming there is no God is a positive belief.

Not believing in gods is a negative belief. Believing in gods is a positive belief.

 

[devildavid]

No, that proves the opposite. God exists outside of time and the physical world, and can therefore create the physical world.

Where is the evidence of something outside of time and the physical world?

Why does the physical require something non physical to exist?

 

[ataraxia]

You can’t create everything spontaneously from nothing

So who created God?

 

[ataraxia]

I've also stated our existence could be the result of a scientist in another universe or our existence could be a simulation run on a computer. Would that be called technological theology? Either event the topic of theology should be another thread.

The existence or absence of God is not a theological question? I am very puzzled.